What is the ‘sub-conscious’ characteristic of the marginal living entity?
Gauragopala dasa: The word ‘sub-conscious’ is related to the material dream condition of the marginal living entity called the baddha-jiva (nitya-baddha). It is also further known as a secondary condition of the marginal living entities consciousness, an inferior state of being, or the dark shadow of ones self.
The word ‘material dream’ and ‘sub-consciousness’ go hand in hand.
As far as Vaishnava philosophy is concerned, it is stated by Srila Prabhupada that the material condition is both the dream of the spirit soul (marginal living entity) and of Maha-Vishnu who creates the material universes.
Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vishnu, as the Brahma Samhita describes: Purport to SB. 4.29.83.
Srila Prabhupada – “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness, we break the dream.” Lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Srīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1
Srila Prabhupada – “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b.
The fact is. Our genuine perpetual body in Goloka known as one’s svarupa or nitya-siddha vigraha (form) never leaves Goloka however, if one chooses to ignore their nitya siddha body and simultaneously ones service to Krishna, then such a ‘sub-conscious’ act is no more than a selfish ‘creation of imagination’ that immediately places the marginal living entity’s ‘awareness’ that now has become a selfish dream state of self importance outside and out of sync (time known as the eternal presence) with Goloka.
Srila Prabhupada – “In the broader sense everyone comes from Krishna Loka. When one forgets Krishna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krishna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)”. Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969
Srila Prabhupada – “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going”.
In this way such a ‘fall down’ is certainly NOT a physical one as nitya-siddha but rather a ‘sub-conscious’ one that is a dream state that places the marginal living entity’s ‘awareness’ within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu in His mahat-tattva creation.
This material dream state referred to as the ‘sub-conscious’ (nitya-baddha) characteristic of the marginal living entity is called because it is opposite the ‘conscious’ state (nitya-siddha)
So the ‘sub-conscious’ state is called nitya-baddha while the ‘conscious’ state is called nitya-siddha.
This idea is not a new philosophy as some claim, it is just a different way of explaining the two characteristics the marginal living entity can be aware of – nitya-siddha or nitya-baddha. And nitya-baddha is also known as the shadow of ones nitya-siddha body.
The nitya siddha Krishna conscious body is compared to light and where there is that ‘awareness’ of being a selfless fearless nitya-siddha devotee of Krishna exists, then that darkness of being the nitya-baddha selfish fearful condition simply does not exist. Where there is light darkness cannot exist.
Future historians and scholars will deeply study Srila Prabhupada’s comments on the ‘origin of the jiva’ and understand that he said on many occasions that we only dream this material existence and all the relationships we have while in actual fact we are still in Goloka and have never really left. Our nitya-siddha body has never left Goloka, we have only ‘dreamed’ we have left.
So in this way the word ‘material dream’ and ‘sub-conscious fall down’ are related, they are the same thing set in the motion by the marginal living entity’s free-will and the ability to choose between self interest or Krishna consciousness.
Srila Prabhupada – “There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha” New York lecture on Caitanya-Caritamrta, July 13, 1976
Srila Prabhupada – “By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha, to bring them. It is a difficult task.” London lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973
Srila Prabhupada – “There are three kinds of liberated persons. They are called 1) sadhan siddha, 2) kripa siddha, and 3) nitya siddha. When one is actually on the siddha platform there is no such distinction as to who is sadhan, kripa, or nitya siddha. When one is siddha, there is no distinction what is what. Just like when the river water glides down to the Atlantic Ocean nobody can distinguish which portion was the Hudson River or some other river”. Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969
Srila Prabhupada – “Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha” Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita 13-14, July 14, 1973
Srila Prabhupada – “Actually, every living entity is eternally uncontaminated, although he may be in the material touch. This is the version of the Vedas. Asanga ayam purusha-the living entity is uncontaminated.
Just like when there is a drop of oil in water you can immediately distinguish the oil from the water, and the water never mixes with the oil. Similarly, a living entity, although in material contact, is always distinct from the matter”. Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969
Actually because of the concept of ‘eternal presence’ of Krishna Consciousness there is really no two states of consciousness (nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha) there is only one genuine condition of the marginal living entity which is nitya-siddha.
However, experiencing free-will and being able to make choices is the jiva-tattva’s marginal characteristic and brings into reality the nitya-baddha condition of non-Krishna consciousness that is takes refuge in the material creation.
As long as one is ‘aware’ of their full potential nitya-siddha body, one is not conscious that their lower inferior nitya-baddha consciousness even exists because factually it does not exist if one is fully Krishna conscious.
In other words, just as darkness cannot exist in the presents of light, the nitya-baddha sub-conscious condition cannot exist in the presents of ones nitya-siddha body, which is the full potential and ultimate devotional awareness of the marginal living entity.
So, it is due to the marginal living entities non-Krishna conscious desires that ones secondary dreaming sub-conscious characteristic of their marginal identity enters the dark mahat-tattva cloud in the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti.
This is made possible by ones choice to use their God given free will not to be with or remember Krishna as their devotional nitya-siddha devotional Krishna conscious form or body.
Such disloyal dreams, thoughts, imaginings and desires are projected or transmitted as a ‘secondary consciousness known as the nitya-baddha lower self’ to the temporary material manifestation known as the mahat-tattva, where they are then given counterfeit bodily material forms (ethereal and biological vessels) by Maha-Vishnu, the creator of that perishable decaying place of the dreaming.
We are all dreaming as our nitya-baddha secondary self within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, our authentic constitutional eternal self is nitya-siddha in Goloka,
We all can enter Maha-Vishnu’s mahat-tattva creation however, no one originates from Maha-Vishnu’s dreaming mahat-tattva creation or His impersonal Brahmajyoti escape from the mahat-tattva. We can only enter His dark cloud as our dreaming nitya-baddha lower self that is then given vessels by Maha-Vishnu to act out our mistaken desires within His mahat-tattva (material creation)
Srila Prabhupada – “So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated life (nitya-baddha), and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long, long, long, long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness hen this period is considered as a second”. Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia
Srila Prabhupada – “Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream (Nitya-baddha secondary sub-conscious state). (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila
Srila Prabhupada – “Brahmasayujya and Krsna lila-both may be possible, but when you are coming down from Brahmasayujya or when you are coming down from Krsna lila, that remains a mystery. But at the present moment we are in Maya’s clutches, so at present our only hope is to become Krsna conscious and go back to Home, back to Godhead” Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Australia 1972.
Your fallen yet inspired servant Gauragopala dasa
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