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Wednesday, 04 June 2014 / Published in Articles / 1,487 views

By Visakha Priya dasi

Regarding Niscala Devi’s explanation of why Srila Prabhupada told disciples that we were with Krsna before we came to the material sphere and Sitarama Prabhu’s refutation of her argument, I wasn’t convinced by the refutation, which, as far as I remember, mostly stresses that if a Christian like Sitarama Prabhu could accept that God was a little blue boy playing the flute, Christians could accept anything else, including the fact that nobody can fall from Vaikuntha. In other words, Srila Prabhupada didn’t need to “falsely” tell them that they had fallen from Paradise in order to encourage them to remain in Krsna consciousness.

Actually, according to my experience of Christianity (as a French born Roman Catholic), the soul is eternal but only in the future (strange idea, but anyway

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3 Responses to “Limbo”

  1. Sita Rama 108 says :

    Mother Vishaka Priya,
    Please accept my humble obiesances.
    All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
    I am not sure what part of my, “refutation” of Niscala’s position you are in disagreement with; however, there is only one point that I need to make clear.
    You conclude with:
    So I think that the first thing Srila Prabhupada needed to teach us was that we were eternal souls, not just in the future but in the past as well
    My point is:
    I, in no way, disagree with the assertion that( as the western world is largely ignorant of the fact) the first thing Srila Prabhupada had to teach us was the real meaning of eternity.
    This is always the first lesson for those who are ignorant of this fact. This is shown by the perfect example of the original Guru, namely Krishna. After Krishna called Arjuna , “indirectly, a fool”,( purport to BG. 2.11) the first point was:
    Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (BG 2.12).

  2. Pusta Krishna das says :

    The descriptions of “heaven” in the Bible appear to be related to the heavenly planets within the material world, svarga loka. I have discussed this point, and the issue of purgatory, with other devout Christians. They agree. The Christians faithful to Christ go to the planet where Christ will continue to train and enlighten these souls in God consciousness, becoming “purged”, as it were, of any material taints so that they can return to Vaikuntha. It is not at all far-fetched, nor very speculative, that this is the case. Christ never claimed to be God, the Creator, nor the ultimate repository of love. God, the Father, Who we know as Krishna, is the only Supreme Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

    Sincere seekers are looking for God everywhere. Bhaktas learned in the science of Krishna, or fortunate souls with spiritual experience granted by Krishna, can understand this. There is no conflict. However, if one is fully convinced of Krishna, then there is no need to make comparisons with the Bible or the Koran. They each have their own dogma, suited for their own followers. We are told in the Bhagavad Gita, by Krishna, that we should not try to disturb such individuals, but rather to encourage them to work in the spirit of devotion.

    Hare Krishna.
    Pusta Krishna das

  3. b.v.muni says :

    The concept of time as we understand in this world is not the same as in spiritual world. Here time is seen either as a linear progression or some non-linear idea. But in reality it is neither linear nor non-linear. It needs much understanding and reason to get to it. Time is a manifestation of God. This world is a perishable world (ksara bhava). Time as understood here is not the same when there is the awakening of the aksara bhava (Imperishable nature). And Lord is the source of both. Also He is the Seer and conception is revealed when the living entity becomes qualified according to the higher necessity.

    The problem with Christianity is that much of their accounts are given from testimonies of common people. But in Bhagavad Gita we find Lord’s authoritative statements. This idea of limbo I think comes from Dante. There are some very good christian philosophers like Hegel and they also explained these in some detail. Here is a nice quote of Hegel:

    “Time, like space, is a pure form of sensuousness, or intuition; but, as with space, the difference between objectivity and a contrastingly subjective consciousness does not matter to time. If these determinations are applied to space and time, then space is abstract objectivity, whereas time is abstract subjectivity. Time is the same principle as the I = I of pure self-consciousness; but the same principle or the simple concept still in its entire externality, intuited mere becoming, pure being in itself as sheer coming out of itself. Time is just as continuous as space, for it is abstract negativity relating itself to itself and in this abstraction there is as yet no real difference.”

    Srila Prabhupada also mentioned in this regard in Bhagavatam that time in this world is measured in terms of speed of celestial bodies. But there is a deeper meaning of time that Srila Prabhupada has mentioned there. Ultimately it seems time is a form of consciousness or an idea. And idea will change according to our spiritual development.