By Anuttama Devi Dasi
This video is intended for disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada. The concepts and some of the words are not explained for people in general. But of course you’re welcome to watch anyway.
Prabhu, we’d like to contact you regarding your video. Can you supply contact info?
Hare Krsna, my dear God-sister Anutama devi dasi, I too feel changes are coming but I am feeling they will be great opportunities to preach. My husband (who is not a Krsna-devotee but a former preacher for the Church of Christ) and I live on 5 acres in No. Nevada. We would not sell our place unless we felt the Lord really moved us to do so. Right now we are getting the message to stay put and do all we can to serve HIM right here. I don’t know where you live, but I would love to talk with you about your decission to move. You ask us to call you, but gave no number. You may call me at 775-750-2430 or email me firstname.lastname@example.org (this is my work and I’m only here during the week). Your lowly servant, Anavadyangi
Dear Anuttama Devi Dasi, PAMHO. AGTSP.
From the same article you quoted:
The problem can be solved when they are taught about their spiritual identity.
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Volume 3, Part 4, April 20, 1956
Srila Prabhupada also said:
The theory that the modern atomic bomb explosions can annihilate the world is childish imagination. First of all, the atomic energy is not powerful enough to destroy the world. And secondly, ultimately it all rests on the supreme will of the Supreme Lord because without His will or sanction nothing can be built up or destroyed.
So we must be prepared for death at any moment. There is no guarantee, that “I am not yet old enough. I am not yet eighty years, ninety years. Why shall I die?” No. You may be twenty years, twenty-five years or younger than that. Death is assured, and it can take place at any moment.
Bhagavad-gita 8.1 — Geneva, June 7, 1974
Tamala Krsna: …Next question: “What is this end of the world?”…
Prabhupada: The world will be devastated, and everything material… Your body is there. It is being maintained, and it will be finished. Similarly, the whole world body will be done in the same way. There is no other way. It is created, it is maintained, and it is finished.
Room Conversation — April 2, 1977, Bombay
I have many more quotes from Srila Prabhupada on this subject. If you woulld like them please sent an e-mail to email@example.com
Ys, Mithila das.
I viewed your video yesterday and was a little disturbed by it. I don’t know you or your husband, so I felt it was not my place to comment on your video. However, this morning, I still felt some responsibility to respond. (I was initiated in 1979).
I am currently reading Srutakirti’s inspiring book “What’s the Difficulty?” Throughout the book there are several recurring themes. One is that Srila Prabhupada was very caring and compassionate in his dealings with his devotees. The other is that Krishna consciousness is common sense.
By chance there were references to the topic of your video. One incident was that there was a cobra somewhere in the Mayapur building they were staying in, and the devotees were about to take rest. Srila Prabhupada said “Well, we are not afraid of snakebite. We’ll not worry about it. If it comes, it comes. We will just chant Hare Krishna.”
Another incident is described as follows: “Once on a morning walk in Mayapur when everyone was discussing their fears and concerns about nuclear war you said, “If the bomb comes we will look up in the sky and say, ‘Hare Krishna.'””
The purport of Srutakiriti’s next story is “If Krishna wants to protect you, no one can harm you and if He wants to kill you, then no one can save you.”
I feel that your assessment of the world as a very dangerous and mad place is rational, as is your desire to try to do something about it. However, I am concerned for your welfare because it appeared your plan of action was to sell all of your belongings and just start driving away. This seemed irrational and the product of fear and panic. Please talk about this with your close friends and family and your trusted well-wishers.
Something Srutakirti’s book has reminded me of is that “everything” should be offered to Srila Prabhupada. So that if we have some idea of a service to perform, or a better way to perform it, we should present that to Srila Prabhupada first to see if it really would please him or not.
I was inspired by your attempt to be thoughtful about the continual degradation of societies throughout the world. I am worried that you’re mind and emotions have got the best of you and you have not developed a thoughtful proposal. Your video was reminiscent of a suicide bomber’s farewell tape. Please make decisions in moments of clarity, peace and strength, rather than fear and confusion.
I apologize for my comment if it is presumptuous, judgemental or in any other way offensive to you. My intent is to empathize with your fear and frustration about the current consiousness and circumstance of the world, but to caution you to be thoughtful about your reaction, and maybe try to comfort you in your distress. You are definitely not alone in your fear and frustration and desire to make things better. My intent is that I see you are suffering and I did not want to ignore you.
As usual, even though we resist it, the solution is to chant Hare Krishna, and if possible chant Hare Krishna with others. Attentive chanting forces us to be in the moment, and it allows us to be with Lord Krishna directly. That’s pretty great!
“My dear King,although Kali yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.” Sukadeva to King Pariksit(SB 12.3.51)
Hare Krishna Prabhu! I am just a new comer in the Krishna Consciousness. I liked your video. Listening to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada in the audio,I understand that there are 6 sins which will take me away from Krishna Consciousness. You or your husband may try to stop the material advancement of this world, I don’t know how much successful you will be. But my support is always there for you. This is Kali Yuga, and the material advancement will continue until…..( Nobody knows). After some time…. I DON’T KNOW WHEN!( it’s said in the sashtras) ,the Supreme Personality of Godhead will again come to enlighten this world.If I were you, I would simply engage myself in Krishna consciuosness and print and distribute little paper/card instructing every household to engage in Krishna consciousness. You may not be liked at the outset and people may throw your cards in the bin, but after sometime they too would be drawn towards the heavenly magnet called Krishna Consciousness. I am not trying to be smart. I wholeheartedly support you for this divine cause.
Hare Krishna, PAMHO AGTSP
Be concerned for all living entities and continue to preach according to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions – it is the greatest of welfare works. But Prabhupada did not bring us a “doomsday cult”. We must guard against acting in passion and fear.
Hari Bhakta dasa
Hari Krsna Prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP
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I’m sorry if people got the impression that I made the video out of fear. I tried to make the point that I prayed to my Diety, Giriraja, to give my guidance about whether my concern was due to fear or whether I was getting a message to make a drastic change in my service. Out of everything in my spiritual library, after praying, and with my eyes closed, I chose the line, “dadami buddhi yogam tam.” The rest of the sloka was not on the page I chose. I took the experience as being a message from Krsna. Since then we have been having amazing experiences and truly feel as though Krsna is guiding my life. In fact we have identified a suitable property to purchase. It wasn’t for sale, but I wrote the owners a letter and they contacted me last week. Yesterday we walked the property, 71 acres in a fertile valley that is mostly in timber and National forest. The 71 acres is the only property in the valley that has been farmed. We spent several hours talking to the owners of the property yesterday and I left them with, “please call us and tell us that you want to sell the land for a reasonable price.” (Interestingly enough, these owners are completely in agreement about where the world is headed, but they see their solution to be to move to Chile.) So far, it seems as if Krsna is making the arrangements, so perhaps He’ll arrange that we can purchase the property and develop a sanctuary where we will be able to have a place to continue Srila Prabhupada’s mission. The entire uninhabited valley is several thousand acres of rich land that could support many devotees, cows and be a place where Deities could have a decent standard of worship even if the outside infrastructure falls apart. It is protected by huge hills on either side of the valley.
If anyone is interested, I have a Word document, “A Farm Overview” that outlines what we believe are appropriate preparations to a change in material circumstances. It includes encouraging devotees to learn one or more of the following: how to farm using traditional techniques, making fabric from locally grown fibres, practicing medicine using native plants, making paper, having and operating printing equipment that is not dependent on digital technology, blacksmithing etc.
My plan has Jayadvaita Swami’s blessings and Bir Krsna Goswami’s endorsement.
We feel that the situation is almost as though we are standing on the railroad tracks along with our Dieties. If Krsna gives us the intelligence to see the train coming, it would be offensive to just stand there to be run over. It is really offensive not to protect our Dieties. Preparation shouldn’t be out of fear, but rather from knowledge.
I apologize for misunderstanding your intentions and will be interested in hearing more.
Hari Bhakta dasa
July, 2004 World War III !
On a morning walk in Mayapura in 1975 , Srila Prabhupada mentioned that World War III would be starting very soon. He was even quite specific as to who will start it, and where it will begin! In various conversations thereafter Srila Prabhupada made further reference to that fact.
In response to Srila Prabhupada’s ‘revelation’, several GBC’s as well as indivitual devotees reacted by either purchasing farms, or by moving to an already established farming community. Some years went by and Srila Prabhupada’s ‘soon’ did not correspond with ‘our’ expectation of ‘soon’. Here we are, thirty years later, and all seems well! Some of the farms established back then are no longer existing, and those that do, are struggling to maintain. Living on a farm turned out to be more, or perhaps less than most of the Prabhus who attempted it had expected. [simple living, high thinking does not mean ‘easy’ living, and high thinking].
Those of us, this writer included, who ‘appear’ to have a bit of a doomsday perspective, and who now and then bring up the matter of WWIII, find others most disinterested, to the point of being annoyed by this subject. ‘Don’t be so negative, Prabhu’, is the general response. However, when reminding the Prabhus that one is only repeating Srila Prabhupada’s comments on this matter, it is most common [almost always], for ‘devotees’ to minimize Srila Prabhupada’s ‘warning’ to a mere observation [speculation] based on the political circumstances of that time. Srila Prabhupada’s statements regarding the coming world conflict are with practically all ‘devotees’ I have spoken to, as well as those who expressed their views in this matter on the internet, given similar weight and relevance as the ‘doomsday predictions’ made by the various seers and psychics throughout the ages. For those of us who are cursed with this most unfortunate mentality, I would like to point out that one of the many, many qualities of the pure devotee is ‘Tri Kala Gya’; he has full knowledge of all three time periods, the past, the present, and the future! [‘… liberated souls who can see through the scriptures can foretell the future of all mankind. They can see this due to their sharp vision of spiritual attainment’. SB 1.4.17-18]
Now and then I have spoken to devotees who do not question the inevitability of WWIII; however, those Prabhus like to think of this event taking place somewhere in the distant future, a year so far off, that making any kind of ‘serious’ preparations [material as well as spiritual] is viewed as premature, basically a waste of their time and resources! This unfortunate attitude, in part is being justified by the apparent lack of a ‘date’ having been given by Srila Prabhupada, other than ‘soon’. However, in a recently found BTG article that Srila Prabhupada had published in 1956 in New Dheli, entitled ‘Blind Materialism’, he denounces this present ‘machine age’ and its resultant ‘gross materialism’. Srila Prabhupada calls it a ‘soul killing civilization’; and he states that the present age will meet with the same fate as have previous civilizations, and that after a lapse of ‘fifty’ years! Also, Srila Prabhupada very clearly makes the point in this article that the end of this age will come about due to ‘nuclear destruction’.[‘ By the law of nature, the nuclear weapons have been produced for crushing the result of blind-materialism.’ BTG,1956 ]
In light of what has been said up to this point, I feel that there are two questions that need to be seriously addressed:
1. What preparations, if any, should we make individually as well as collectively, in the event of imminent World War? [‘ When there is ‘imminent’ danger, an intelligent person should try to avoid the dangerous position as far as possible. But if, in spite of endeavoring by all intelligence, one fails to avoid the dangerous position, there is no fault on his part. One should try his best to execute his duties, but if the attempt fails he is not at fault’.[ Krsna Book, chap. I ]
2. Is there any ‘mundane’ evidence, political and/or militarily that would corroborate the scenario as well as the time frame for WWIII, as layed out by His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada?
Before attempting to answer these questions I wish to acknowledge that I am not claiming to having the definitive conclusion to the ‘second’ question. The first question, however, I believe has already been answered by Srila Prabhupada, through numerous instructions [‘ ‘yes, the farm project’..Even there was war, they would not attack the farmers”.They were not affected. That was the princple. Farmers were not attacked . [Mayapura-conversation’, 4/4/75 . ‘ Getting and managing a farm is a good proposal. I am encouraging farm projects everywhere! That is very important, solid program. So, do this enthusiastically and Krsna will be pleased’.Letter
1/13/77 ] Over the past ten years I personally have been fairly active in attempting to motivate devotees into moving to one of the already existing Vaisnava farming-communities, along with stressing the need to strive for self-sufficiency. Not only have I failed to succeed in convincing even one family to do so, but I also have witnessed the general unwillingness of those who have already moved to a farm, to prepare for self-sufficiency, to prepare for the day when all we get to offer the Deities, all we get to honor ourselves, is that which ‘we’ have grown!
As I had mentioned previously, most Prabhus brush Srila Prabhupada’s warning aside as something no longer applicable. ‘After all, the cold war is over, Russia is no longer our enemy!’ And those who do not dare to ‘verbally’ disagree with Srila Prabhupada [although they do so by their in-action], those Prabhus either project this ‘event’ way off into the future, or they repeat Srila Prabhupada’s reply of, ‘just chant Hare Krsna’, to the question, ‘what are we to do when this war comes?’ Srila Prabhupada first brought up the subject of WWIII In 1975, other than the recently discovered BTG article of 1956. In 1976 Srila Prabhupada instructed via a letter for all of ISKCON’s Grhastas to move immediately to the various established farming-communities. He also expressed this desire personally to several GBC’s, Ramesvara dasa having been one of them. Most unfortunately,however, that ‘order’, the letter of 1976 somehow or other was never shared with the rest of our society. Just like Srila Prabhupada’s request for all his disciples to be at his side in Vrndaban during his last days with us, so also this ‘order’ perhabs was viewed by the ‘prominent’ members of the GBC as ‘impractical’ and/or too ‘disruptive’ for our society. So far I have not been able to locate a copy of this letter, not even on the ‘Folio’! Fortunately I have recently [within the last two years] spoken to two of our God brothers, Vamanajana dasa, and Yadunandana dasa [both residing presently in New Dvarka], who have acknowledged to also having read Srila Prabhupada’s 1976 directive on this matter.Therefore, Srila Prabhupada’s response of,’just chant Hare Krsna’, to the question, ‘what are we to do when this war comes?’, must be seen within the context of his order of 1976, for all Grhastas to move to the Vaisnava farming- communities, and there to become self-sufficient. Had those instructions been followed, we would be prepared for WWIII, and all that would be left to do at the occurrence of this ‘event’, is to chant Hare Krsna!
As to the answer to the second question, ‘Is there any ‘mundane’ evidence, politically and/or militarily that would corroborate the scenario as well as the time-table for for WWIII, as layed out by Srila Prabhupada? In short ‘YES’, but the details shall be addressed in the near future!
One thing I feel is more crucial than discussing future wars, is the importance of establishing daivi-varnasram for the masses, preaching by example, benefitting the world with Krsna consciousness. Whether and when WWIII comes and goes is not so important in a world that is by nature filled with conflict and danger, padam padam yad vipadam na tesam, but rather engaging the masses in simple living and high thinking is the real goal of Vedic farming. Preparing the masses for the opportunity to serve and develop love of God in nature’s setting is one of the best cultural preaching tools of this day, with all the hype about sustainability and global warming.
samasrita ye padapallava-plavam
mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh
bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam
padam padam yad vipadam na tesam
“For one who has accepted the boat of the lotus feet of the Lord, who is the shelter of the cosmic manifestation and is famous as Mukunda or the giver of mukti, the ocean of the material world is like the water contained in a calf’s hoofprint. Param padam, or the place where there are no material miseries, or Vaikuntha, is his goal, not the place where there is danger in every step of life.”
I am more interested in discussing with like-minded devotees simple practical farming techniques by establishing replicas of Vrindavan through advancement of cow protection, land based economics, etc. I am anxious to hear more from devotees like Anuttama dasi and anyone who has information about such techniques on self sufficient living, as Anuttama dasi describes:
” If anyone is interested, I have a Word document, “A Farm Overview” that outlines what we believe are appropriate preparations to a change in material circumstances. It includes encouraging devotees to learn one or more of the following: how to farm using traditional techniques, making fabric from locally grown fibres, practicing medicine using native plants, making paper, having and operating printing equipment that is not dependent on digital technology, blacksmithing etc.”
Please feel free to contact me at email@example.com
Rather than start new farm communities, why not just find existing ISKCON communities to join?
Are none of the existing ISKCON communities suitable? If not, why not? How can they be improved?