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When Bad Chanting Becomes the Norm, You’re in Trouble

Tuesday, 26 June 2018 / Published in Articles, Mahatma das / 8,570 views

By Mahatma Das

There is something I’ve noticed about my japa over the years: Bad habits don’t die easily. Prabhupada said chanting produces more chanting. But the question is what kind of “more chanting” does it produce? My experience is that bad chanting produces more bad chanting. And if the bad chanting goes on long enough, it pretty much becomes a habit. Then bad becomes the norm.

Since bad chanting is not relishable, japa tends to take less of a priority in life. It becomes harder to finish rounds and they get put off till later. And sometimes later never comes. As bad chanting continues, one becomes weaker. And as one become weaker, it becomes more difficult to chant well.

Of course, good chanting produces more good chanting. So if we turn things around and start chanting well, we can expect many wonderful things to happen in our lives. One of the greatest gifts anyone can give themselves is sixteen good rounds daily. By good rounds I mean the best possible rounds one can chant. But if old habits die hard, how does one turn things around? Here’s how I did it.

In March, Sacinandana Swami was scheduled to give a Japa Retreat in New York, a five day japa get -a-way at a beautiful retreat center surrounded by mountains and streams in the Catskills. Unfortunately Maharaja’s health prevented him from traveling to America and I was asked to be one of the facilitators at the retreat. The problem was I was asked only weeks before the retreat and I was very busy and really didn’t want to do it. I tried to wiggle my way out of it in every way I could: I couldn’t afford the time, I couldn’t afford to be away from my work, I had already been spending too much time away from home…..and the list went on. I really didn’t want to go. But the organizers were having trouble finding facilitators so I reluctantly agreed—yet was still trying to figure out how not to go.

After the retreat I was asked to share my experience and this is what I wrote:

“Every devotee in ISKCON, from guru to pot washer, would immensely benefit by attending a Japa Retreat. It was one of the best things I have ever done for my Krishna consciousness and was among the happiest and most satisfying five days I have ever spent. The Holy Name is now resonating in me in new and profound ways.”

As you can see, it was an amazing experience for me and I felt totally blessed that I had the great fortune of attending the retreat. Krsna was so kind to give me a big love pat in the rear end by forcing me to attend. Every moment of those five days was nectar.

My big realization was that if I don’t make every effort to chant well on a regular basis, I am depriving myself of deep realizations, increased faith, spiritual strength, and the purnamritasvadanam, the full nectar for which I am always anxious. In other words, I am cheating myself in a big way.

The deeper we go into the Name, the more powerful we realize it is. This realization just doesn’t come from chanting bad rounds. The only realization I get from chanting bad rounds is that I am bored and I’d rather be doing something else. And chanting well brings up dirt, dirt that is meant to come out. We face our fears, our motives, our pretensions, our lack or surrender—and we face it all head on. And chanting good rounds gives us the strength to deal with all of this.

My bad chanting habits started flying out the door at the retreat. I realize now that I needed this focused attention on chanting away from my normal life to overcome these bad habits. I can’t go back to those old habits anymore, at least not for long. When I do red flags go off in my mind and I immediately am aware of how much I am losing by bad chanting.
Was my experience unique? Not at all. It was quite normal. Let me share with you this quote from His Holiness Giriraja Maharaja.

“I can honestly say that the japa retreat in Ojai was one of the most
profound experiences of my life. It brought me to a significantly deeper
level of Krishna consciousness–of appreciation for the holy names and for
the devotees–and realization of our philosophy. The benefits from the
experience have continued until today, and I expect them to continue
forever. I recommend such retreats for all devotees.”

To me this quote is amazing. Any of you who know Maharaja, know that he is a deep person. I spent a lot of time with him and whenever I thought I understood something deeply, he would always take it step deeper. So for him to say, “it brought me to a significantly deeper level of Krishna Consciousness,” is also nothing less than significant. There is something especially powerful about doing nothing else than associating with devotees, chanting the holy name, and hearing from senior devotees on both the glories of the holy name and how to improve one’s chanting. And what is that something special? The retreat environment fosters such good quality focused chanting that the holy name takes over and does all the work. I watched in awe as devotees were becoming transformed by the Name, moved by the Name, revitalized by the Name, and deeply attracted by the Name. They left feeling that they couldn’t get enough of the holy name; and they also left with a keen sense of optimism for the future of their devotional lives.

I’d like to share with you Hari Kirtana Prabhu wonderful experience:

“The Japa Retreat was the most powerful and important event in my spiritual life since my initiation 30 years ago. My faith and determination have been supercharged. The knowledge and realizations that I received from the seminars, interactive sessions and the association of devotees who are all so seriously dedicated to improving the quality of their japa have left lasting impressions on me. And the tools I acquired have already begun to propel me deeper into the transcendental experience of attentive, heartfelt chanting. The Japa Retreat is a great example of ISKCON at its best. Thank you.”
I wanted to personally invite you to attend our next retreat held September 12-16 in northern Georgia. I would love to so much to see you there and share with you the nectar and inspiration that devotees are getting from these retreats. I see this as a vital function in our movement. Although devotees site different reasons for problems in ISKCON, the real problem is offensive chanting. I would like to end this article with one more quote from Yadunatha Prabhu, who shares his personal experience and his perception on how these retreats can impact ISKCON.

“The Japa Retreat is a unique and necessary presence in ISKCON. The many festivals we attend are wonderful—always very busy and often overwhelming. For some devotees, they can distract one from facing themselves and their own internal life. The Japa Retreat is a contemplative time for self-evaluation. This process of internal reflection is a powerful one and the Retreats I have attended are among the most profound experiences of my life. That is certainly the case in terms of making a doubt-free connection with the Lord.

I’ve never felt so enlivened by and connected to the devotees. A by-product of this work is that Vaishnava relationships develop, grow, and deepen in wonderful and fulfilling ways. From the new Bhaktas to the top leaders, I would recommend the Japa Retreat to all.

These retreats, if carried on, can revolutionize our movement because they force us to face ourselves and actually do that internal work; and when we develop our purity and devotion from the inside, we can more easily affect the world outside. It will happen naturally.

I truly believe that this work, if carried on, can revolutionize and revitalize our movement.”

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5 Responses to “When Bad Chanting Becomes the Norm, You’re in Trouble”

  1. Dhamesvara Gaura das says :

    Hare Krsna!
    PAMHO! AgtSP!

    For anybody who want to improve chanting and can’t attend japa retreat, I humbly recommend two books:
    “Hari Nama Cintamani” by Bhaktivinode Thakur;
    “Reflection on sacred teachings – Hari Nama Cintamani” by Bhakti Tirtha Swami
    also you can dowload excellent short seminar by HG Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu on “Hari Nama Cintamani” from his web site
    If you study them, your devotional life is going to be taken to new hights for sure.
    Also, I would like to share my one little realisation on chanting:
    if I’m not listening and focusing on Maha Mantra during my japa, I’m listening to my mind – and that’s what I’m doing anyway for the rest of my day, so if I’m already chanting let me do the best.
    Stop thinking, start listening.

    yhs Dhamesvara Gaura das

  2. Hari-kirtana dasa says :

    Dear Devotees:

    The Japa Retreat did wonders for my chanting and I wholeheartedly encourage everyone to attend, but it did nothing to help me do math in my head: for the record, I joined ISKCON 30 years ago – in the Spring of 1977 – and was initiated the following Summer. My arithmatic failure notwithstanding the substance of the quote attributed to me by Mahatma Prabhu remains an accurate description of my experience and a reasonable prediction of what yours will be.

    Your servant, Hari-kirtana dasa

  3. iksvaku dasa says :

    Hare Krishna Prabhus:

    It is very inspiring to hear that this sort of retreats are being realised around Iskcon temples. I think it is an essential aspect in our process of spiritual advancement.

    Again, for those who are not able to attend due to personal limitations, it is ‘almost as good’ to hear the audio of these seminars. I have heard those of Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu and also the ones done by Sacinandana Maharaja and Bhurijana Pr over the years in Govardhana. They have worked wonders and to say the least, now I am very conscious when my japa is not up to standard…

    It would be nice that one day these activities become integral part of our preaching (and practice) programs for the benefit of everyone. Maybe a page could be started where all these resources are made available for those who are interested.

  4. Hari Bol says :

    Thank you for sharing this wonderful experience. I certainly believe in Good Chanting. I just raise my hands looking for mercy when my mind sways away to another topic during chanting. And that is yet another big sin connected to bad chanting. In this material world it’s very difficult to control senses. Only very few can do it. So, I keep on chanting as I have vowed to chant till I can breath to my last…. I make it a point to hear every word of the mahamantra clearly while chanting. The mind will sway way as long as I am serving this material world and my senses. But, as I said…. I shall keep chanting even if I don’t have a house to live in or don’t have food to eat. May Lord Krishna give me the strength! Hare Krishna!

  5. Devakidd says :

    Thank you very much, Prabhu, for posting this article again. I would like to share that it was another one of your articles on inattentive chanting, which I read many years ago, which really shook me up and made me realize that there is so much more to chanting than simply ‘finishing one’s rounds’…..! Some time after I attended a Holy Name Retreat with Sacinandana Swami in Radhadesh, and this experience gave me further insights into the secrets of chanting – in japa aswell as in kirtan.Then I joined this mission of trying to inspire devotees to get on deeper levels of chanting, and since then we have been regularly conducting retreats in Ukraine, Moldova, Germany, Sweden, Bangladesh, Nepal, and also Ekachakra. We will have one coming up soon in Ekachakra, from the 26th to the 30th of December – details can be viewed on Yes, I am also sold out to this conviction that we have to make so much more endeavor to get on deeper levels of chanting – in japa aswell as in kirtan! And it will indeed bring the solution to all our problems. So it was your article which shook me up, and I will be forever grateful to you for it. Thank you kindly for your wonderful preaching!
    Your servant, Devaki dd