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Corrupt Leader Exposed!

Monday, 21 June 2010 / Published in Articles / 6,845 views

img_0351.jpgBy Akruranatha Das

It is fashionable to criticize leaders these days, especially on the internet, but there is one extremely powerful leader whose perfidious deeds should immediately be exposed before he hurts more devotees. This bogus “guru” has already victimized many, disrupting their spiritual lives and kicking them out of ISKCON, leading them down the path of sinful life. Yet, too many of us ignore his evil influence and stand silently by as he wreaks havoc on Srila Prabhupada’s mission, even those who are normally most assiduous in pointing out the faults of others.

The leader of whom I speak is the unbridled, materialistic mind. He constantly urges us to give up our devotional service and to relapse into sense gratification. He is clever and insidious, capable of posing as having our best interests at heart, or misguiding us without even being detected. His disreputable behavior threatens every one of us, often without our knowledge.

It simply will not do to banish him, despise him, or try to destroy him. By that very act we would only succeed in further provoking him, increasing his power, and entangling ourselves in further degradation. He is one of our olders and closest associates, and we truly cannot do without him. To try to stop mental activity altogether is a futile enterprise.

Like other faulty leaders, our duty is rather to reform him and to find him appropriate, positive engagement where he can do no more harm, and can actually do much good. The best and most practical way to do this is to engage him in paying attention to the holy names as we chant our daily rounds, and letting him know very firmly that his nonsense will not be tolerated: we will not let him shirk that important service or get up to his evil ways again!

If we keep that up regularly and remain firm, he will actually transform from a powerful, dangerous enemy into our greatest friend, and he will enable us to properly glorify and remember Krishna without cessation.


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    Well there is the cheating mind and then there is the cheating disciple, both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Prabhupada has mentioned that in his 1961 Vyasapuja,Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada has stated:” Those who have been appointed to the position of temple-manager, but who do not serve in mutual cooperation with others and are reluctant to give due respect to their godbrothers, are sense enjoyers, that is, enjoyers of the temple. Instead of serving Bhagavan they are greedy to enjoy His property. They are a disgrace to the title “disciple”.
    Regarding the rascal mind Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada has stated: “After getting up from your sleep, you take your shoes and beat your mind hundred times. This is your first business. And while going to bed, you take a broomstick and beat your mind hundred times. Then you can control your mind. Otherwise it is very difficult.” (Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati)
    The best way to control the rascal mind is to chant Hare Krishna and abstain from sinful activities,read Srila Prabhupadas books, distribute them, and go on Harinama

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    jayadvaita dasa ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Respected Akruranatha Prabhu,

    Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    Thank you very much for your article.
    As a yoga instructor, meeting many other teachers who wish to become gurus of their students. This occurs naturally when you’re in this position to instruct a person in their quest for self-knowledge, but without control of mind and not in sadhana bhakti-yoga (chant Hare Krishna Maha-mantra), any attempt to investigate is limited by the false ego.
    Your article came to light on many questions I had.
    Thank you.
    his servant,
    Jayadvaita Das

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Regarding Akruranath Prabhu’s inquiry about faultfinding, let’s use the example of the chariot(body) with 5 horses (senses), reins (mind), driver (intellect) and passengers (jiva souls and Paramatma). The intellect must be involved in the issue of fault-finding, since it is the ‘discriminatory’ element in choice. Krishna (BG 15.7) is within us and gives us intellect of a particular kind (mattah smritir jnanam apo hanam ca). So, the issue of fault-finding relates to a deeper issue, ie Krishna giving us a particular type of intellect depending on our deeper (heart’s?) desire. It is fine to discriminate, looking through the philosophical eyeglasses of shastra. For example, we must know when sahaja or mayavad ideas enter to uproot or avoid them.

    Thus, fault-finding, as I understand the nature of the beast, is a result of our hrid-rogam, or ‘heart disease’, material inclination.

    What do you think?

    Pusta Krishna das

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In reference to post 13, the main question may be answered by another question: what kind of men (or devotees for that matter) are we? — Part I

    Just as if one well knows that he is about to enter a criminal group, he has some pretty good idea what will be involved for him down the road. And it should come as no surprise at all for him. Based on this choice of his, he will live in a life of constant fear of being caught by the police or other agency, he will be fearful of losing his own life for having killed someone. Omerta, the law of silence. You kill and you get killed in return just to keep the whole under the carpet . This is the basic picture of the disadvantages of criminal life. Any advantages to it? Think twice… You’re not done with suffering in this life, you go to hell in the next. So obviously, this is not the kind of life that is expected for a saintly person.

    If we refer to SB 1.1.2, as devotees, we are supposed to know what is to be expected of us having entered the association of devotees. Not only that, but we are given specific instructions by Srila Rupa Goswami in Nectar of Instruction, mantra 5, that actually association of devotees is meant to be really ecstatic and here is the way devotional exchanges should be conducted amongst devotees whose hearts are meant to become if not already pure. In both references, the purity of the heart is pointed at. One of which is disdain to criticize others and by the same token to hear such criticism. How is that? Is it simply because there is an instruction about it in the sastras and we should follow it? Yes. Rationnaly, that is to begin with. But our understanding must evolve beyond that. It must come from the evolution of our consciousness. From understanding that we, as pure spirit souls, have no business lording it over material nature. Criticizing others for the sake of selfish entertainment centered around thoughts that one is “so good”” or “so right” about this or that, and “I’m much better than this one or the other”, is actually no pleasure at all because it is not based on the reality of one should be: a meek and humble surrendered devotee of the Lord.

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In reference to post 13, the main question may be answered by another question: what kind of men (or devotees for that matter) are we? — Part II

    Now the question may be put forward: what is the reality then? The reality is the service in the mood of surrender to the Absolute Truth. As the SB puts it: reality distinguished from illusion, the highest truth for the welfare of all; such truth which uproots the threefold miseries. When we fancy ourselves either criticizing or hearing criticisms of others just for the sake of it… we are wasting valuable time only… Criticism is a sign of intelligence and it cannot be avoided, it is part of human life, but there is a way to engage it for its rightful purpose in the service of Krishna. If it is not done in the spirit of positive service to Krishna or the devotees — with possibly the involved party(ies) right in front of us for open discussion, what is the point? It is so easy to speak in the back of others. Is is not? But what kind of honest service to Krishna is this? Therefore, it is more or less some kind of cheating and waste of time. And as we all know: time and tide wait for no man. A conscientious devotee is very concerned about wasting time. Actually, his mentality is that not a single moment should be wasted —because the sound of the frog in the night calls on the serpent of death.

    As Srila Prabhupada has oftentimes said, “Our only business is KC”. That involves careful and conscious choices in the subject matter of our words. Devotees relish krishna-katha amongst each other. Anything else is not really that tasteful. The higher taste of krishna-katha and topics related to devotional activities and qualities of other devotees, is part of the way to give up the bad habit of undue criticism. And it does not matter if the fancy criticism is about so called “leaders” or not when actually these “leaders” are only meant to be seen and understood as mere servants of others put into position by the will of the Lord and subject to be removed in due course by the same will of the Lord.

    Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord.

    What is important is to advance in Krishna consciousness relishing the merciful effect of the association of all devotees.

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    Kulapavana ( User Karma: -20 ) says:

    I would argue that most devotees who joined our movement used their rational mind to do so. We chose Krsna consciousness over a lot of other available choices. I know I did. Thus perhaps we should be rather careful when engaging in a wholesale mind bashing, or at least more precise in what part of rational mind we want to attack. Very often in the past such efforts in our movement (to attack ‘the mind’) were little more than thinly disguised efforts to stifle common sense and rational thinking among the devotees. Bhagavad Gita is speaking about controlling the mind through yoga, and the entire conversation is very rational and thought provoking. Mantra japa is one of the tools recommended in Gita to rein in the mind, but certainly not the only one.

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    It was a gimmick to get everyone’s attention (it worked), but I am surprised to see that none of the comments so far have addressed the issue of faultfinding and the mind’s attraction to hear about exposure of a “corrupt leader.”

    Why do we want to hear and chant about faults of ISKCON leaders? I am not saying we should ignore them — arguably we each in our own way share a duty to keep ISKCON clean and free of scandal — but isn’t there something troubling about the way our mind runs to this topic rather than the “ordinary nectar” we usually see on Dandavats? At least my mind does, the nasty old beast. What explains this spiritual schadenfreude?

    “Generally a materialistic person becomes very happy when there is something for his sense gratification and his body, but when he sees that others have something for their sense gratification and he hasn’t, he is sorry and envious.” (B.G. 12.15 Purport)

    I am sure I could find other quotes more directly to the point without looking too far. Thoughts? Comments? Quotes?

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    Raktak Das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Respected Akruranatha Prabhu,

    Hare Krishna. Srila Prabhupad ki Jai.

    Thank you very much for your spiritual article on the bogus guru/corrupt leader which is none other than the mind. “Though the mind is the most powerful enemy, but, it can be trained as a greatest friend and it would help us to remember Krishna without any interruption”-I really like it, very inspiring. But we also know very well that it is as difficult to control the mind as much the mighty wind.

    Jitatmanah prashantasya parmatma samahitah-one who has conquered over his mind, supersoul is already achieved by him. I wish I can control my mind and have the darshan of the supersoul. But, I know that I am a very week fellow, I have hard time to chant my 16 rounds even, mind makes so many excuses, so where is the question of bringing the mind under subjugation, most of the time, I myself , being subjugated by the mind, I think that’s why Krishna says that He is the mind among the senses, since it is extremely powerful.

    Jai Prabhu! glory to your service, we need much more stuff of this sort everyday to ponder upon, it really helps us, thank you very much, HARE KRISHNA

    And could you kindly give me your e-mail address? Mine is—

    yours servant,
    Raktak Das

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    Gauragopala dasa ( User Karma: 5 ) says:

    My first impression of this article was ‘this type of writing is unusual for Dandavats. As I kept reading it dawned on me that, oh yes, the unrestrained uncontrolled mind is the culprit with its bogus non-Krishna conscious voices leading us astray if we foolishly stop chanting Hare Krishna.

    Like air rushes in to fill a vacuum, as soon as we stop hearing and chanting Krishna’s beautiful name, the polluted selfish exploitive uncaring materially absorbed self-interested mundane mind rushes in to fill the vacuum forcing one to arrogantly and inconsiderately believe ‘I am this biological bodily vessel’ and ‘everything is for MY enjoyment and My pleasure’.

    Therefore sadhana is ALL important, if we do not chant a minium of 16 rounds a day and do not read Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita as it is, then we are allowing the bogus guru (the now unbridled mind) to dictate our every thought and action assimilated from the material senses and the outside world of Kali-yuga.

    This bogus mentality (the mind) masquerading as guru only sees other embodied jivas as ‘objects’ to be exploited and taken advantage of by having their ‘spiritual rights’ interfered with, molested, exploited, assaulted and used for enhancing ones own selfish profit, adoration and distinction, or in simple terms, acquiring money, political power and adulations and illicit sex in all its varieties without a care in the world of how many devotees are hurt and trammelled on along the way.

    Yes I have experienced all this, allowing the crazy guru (the mind) to guide me offending so many devotees. All I can do now, for the rest of this life, is pray to the devotees for forgiveness and mercy. Only by the mercy of the dear devotees of Krishna can we get the favour of Krishna or God. Hare Krishna, jai Srila Prabhupada and his pure representative gurus who carry on the Parampara system of initiation into ISKCON . Your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Who is using the mind anyway?” — Part III

    On this topic, I cannot but recall what we have heard from Srila Prabhupada in a class in Paris: “To think of Krishna, what is the difficulty?”

    Think about this simple statement. But how deep!

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Beautiful prayer by Srila Raghunath das Goswami. His master, who is very dear to Lord Mukunda is Srimati Radharani. This is the mood of our prayojana guru, Srila Raghunath das.

    One point that my friend Akruranath Prabhu has made I want to challenge. In calling to “mind” (no pun intended) Tom Cruise…”too much mind”, in an effort to “chant japa” more purely…let us discuss this from the standpoint of Sri Krishna’s instruction.
    Twice in the Bhagavad Gita Krishna uses the verse…manmana bhava mad-bhakto…Think of me and become my devotee (actually the word bhakta means to feel oneself maintained and dependent on Krishna. So the mind is not to be discarded, necessarily. Mind can be best of friends and worst of enemies. Just as we are taught Yukta-vairagya, proper renunciation in relationship with Krishna…ie, one should not reject something if it can be utilized in Krishna’s devotional service, so too we run the risk of becoming “salvationists” or desirers of “mukti” if we try to reject the mind. The mind that is not favorable to Krishna’s service naturally needs to be “beaten with a shoe 100 times in the morning and 100 times in the evening” (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupad), but the mind engaged in Krishna’s service is a friend to the devotee.

    Now, what is said in #5 above by Prabhava Vighraha Prabhu is also relevant. Whose mind is it anyway? We are not this gross body, and we are not the subtle mind either. But, we are always subordinate to Krishna, Who is our Guardian and Protector. He is creating an environment for us, both gross and subtle, to experience and live in. Krishna is also Suhrita Sarva bhutanam, everyone’s dearmost Friend. He will not place us into distress but only we can do that by our misdirected will. Man proposes and God disposes…Eko bahunam yo vidhadhati kaman. All of this plays into the discussion in my humble opinion.

    A great and transcendental discussion it has been indeed, especially the offering by Srila Raghunath das Goswami…how fortunate we are to have Akruranath Prabhu take the time to enter this for us, who are not worthy of such great mercy….Pusta Krishna das

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Who is using the mind anyway?” — Part II

    Practically speaking, if we forget to revise our very, very, very attitude toward God, then all our determination will remain a farce in the face of our formidable mind. Let us not forget that our mind is a divine energy. (daivi esa gunamayi….) But we like to imagine since time immemorial, that our mind and the rest belongs to us and is meant to be used in any way we like. Aren’t we arrogant into thinking that way? That is why, we must revise our attitude, go into our heart and see where we are weak in the area of surrender to God.

    Next question? How and when are we going to surrender for good to God? Our answer to this very question will speak for itself in the matter of how much control we have over our mind. Let us not forget this verse from Bhagavad-gita that for one who has control over his mind the Supersoul is already reached. And the other way around is so true: once one has found the Supersoul, one has control over his mind. So the million dollar question is how and when to get there once and for all? The answer is simple. Let the mind become attracted “again and forever” to Krishna by the right means. Our maha-bhagavat devotee, Srila Prabhupada has so kindly —causelessly out of his deep love for Krishna— shared with the whole world: krishna-katha, krishna-katha, krishna-katha. Harer nama, harer nama, harer nama…. and the association of devotees without which we will remain short in all our so-called devotional endeavors. Let us remember that no devotional attempt is complete without the added ingredient of the mercy of the pure devotee of Krishna, our spiritual master and the mercy of the Supreme Lord, Mukunda.

    Srila Prabhupada ki jay! He has given us the positve means to conquer over the disease of material existence. Conquering the mind becomes easy if we wholeheartedly follow the program he has so kindly given to us. Na karma lipyate nare.

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    In response to Srestha’s questions:

    (1) The damages are that one put aside the great opportunity for devotional service and engages in acts that degrade and plunge us back into the cycle of birth and death, even in animal and demonic species;

    (2) To those who are not pure devotees or not at least rigidly following the rules of vaidhi bhakti, which is practically everyone;

    (3) By pretending to have our best interests at heart but always wrongly counseling us to serve our senses under the spell of the three modes of material nature.

    The reason the rascal mind is so powerful and dangerous and needs to be exposed is that he is so clever he makes us think he is our very self. When he wants to do something wicked, we think *we* want to do it. When he undergoes vicissitudes of elation and depression, we think *we* are elated and *we* are depressed. When we try to act under the superior direction of the spiritual master, he protests: “Don’t do this. This is troublesome. *We* don’t like it. There are other things to do which will make us happier.”

    I love the illustration in the Bhagavad-gita of the five senses as horses pulling us toward a perilous cliff. The mind is the reins, the intelligence is the driver, and we (the soul) are the hapless passenger who will be dashed and destroyed.

    But by regulating the senses from the very beginning under superior, spiritual strength, the mind can learn not to even try to mislead us anymore. It will become much happier (and we will become much happier) if it just becomes a devotee of Krishna and becomes a true leader of the senses, rather than a misleader of the intelligence and the individual (spirit soul).

    In the film “The Last Samurai”, the Tom Cruise character was trying to learn Japanese fencing, and his friend told him “Too much mind.” He was supposed to fence with “no mind”. This Zen idea is good, as far as it goes: we can see how material mental machinations get in the way of “muscle memory” activities like swordfighting or playing complicated pieces on the piano, and even more so how they prevent good, devotional, prayerful, heart-felt japa.

    But the atheistic Zen attachment to the unmanifested and impersonal will become a stumbling block later when the adept needs to move higher into devotional relationship with the supreme person.

    Truly the mind cannot be banished, but must be reformed. And so it is with our senior godbrothers and godsisters if they go astray…

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    Sri Manah Siksa (continued):

    (8) So That He will mercifully smash my wickedness (even though I am a great rascal), so that He will give me the splendid nectar of transcendental love, and so He will engage me in Sri Radha’s service, please, O mind, with words choked with emotion, worship Lord Giridhari here in Vraja.

    (9) O mind, please meditate on Krsna, the moon of Vraja forest, as the Lord of my controller, Srimati Radharani. And please meditate upon Srimati Radharani, the the queen of Vraja forest, as Krsna’s controller. Also please meditate upon Lalita as the peerless friend of Radha and Krsna, Visakha as the guru who teaches Them many things, and Radha-kunda and Govardhana Hill as two places the mere sight of which bestows charming transcendental love for the divine couple.

    (10) O mind, please worship Lord Hari’s beloved Radha. with the splendor of Her beauty She makes Rati, Gauri, and Lila burn with envy, with the power of Her good fortune She defeats Saci, Laksmi, and Satyabhama, and with Her ability to control Krsna She completely eclipses Candravali and the other pious young girls of Vraja.

    (11) O mind, in order to attain the direct service of the two divine lovers, Sri Sri Radha-Giridhari, in the company of Their friends, every day you must constantly drink, with Sri Rupa Gosvami, the five nectars of worshiping Them, chanting Their names, meditating on Them, hearing about Them, and bowing down before Them, and every day you must worship Govardhana Hill.

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Who is using the mind anyway?” — Part I

    The following is an attempt at putting the mind in perspective. The mind is an instrument at the disposal of the spirit soul. Just like a dog is at the disposal of its master. The dog can be made to run wild or be tamed by a good master who knows what to do with the dog under all circumstances.

    Since time immemorial, the fallen soul has resolved to maintain a very, very, very deep rebellious attitude towards God out of sheer envy, foolish jealousy. God has literally punished such rebellious and pretentious soul by letting him try to enjoy independent life through nothing but a hard struggle for existence in a futile attempt to ignore the very existence of God.

    This struggle is at times on the gross plane and at other times on the subtle plane depending on the immediate karma of the rebellious soul. For example, visit any hospital. Talk to patients, hear their stories about how they ended up in their immediate condition. Their suffering is either affecting their gross body or subtle body (which include the mind). This is called disease: disorder of the gross and/or the subtle body. Disease is prevalent on this planet or another.

    In reference to the present discussion. Some pointing is made at the diseased habits of the mind. But we are not this mind. Are we to identify the mind as a culprit as more powerful than the vey soul using it? Certainly not, if we “don’t mind” identifying our self as the user of the mind. The mind is not to be blamed, but the user of the mind. It boils down that the user of the mind, the soul uses it in terms of his overall attitude towards God: surrender or rebellion. It cannot be more simple than that. But the rebellious soul is unfortunately oblivious to this very cause of his being constantly at the mercy —service— of the ruthless, doggish mind.

    If a devotee wants to have results in controling his/her mind, there is not much of any other means than to pray for having higher intelligence (buddhi-yoga) coming from the Giver of All Intelligence, the Paramatma from within. He has been watching all your psychhic moves from time immemorial. He knows oneself inside out. But He waiting for the proper attitude to manifest and reacts to one’s sincere attitude of surrender towards Him. He is more than ready to give any necessary intelligence for our benefit so we “can”‘ go forward taking positive steps in spiritual understanding which will translate into sound spiritual activities.

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    Sri Manah Siksa (“Instructions to the Mind”), by Srila Raghunatha Das Goswami:

    (1) O mind, I grasp your feet and beg you with sweet words: Please cast away all hypocrisy and develop intense, unprecedented love for my spiritual master, Vrajabhumi, the people of Vraja, the Vaisnavas, the brahmanas, the Gayatri mantra, the holy name, and the transcendental shelter that is the fresh young couple of Vraja, Radha and Krsna.

    (2) O Mind, don’t concern yourself with the pious and impious deeds described in the Vedas. Rather, intently serve Sri Sri Radha-Krsna in Vraja. Always remember that Lord Caitanya is the son of Maharaja Nanda and that my guru is most dear to Lord Mukunda.

    (3) O Mind, just listen to me! If you desire to reside in Vraja birth after birth, and if you desire to directly serve the divine youthful couple there with great attraction, then with intense love always remember and bow down to Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami; to Srila Rupa Gosvami and his elder brother, Srila Sanatana Gosvami; and to all their associates and followers.

    (4) O mind, give up friendship with nondevotees, which is nothing but a prostitute who will steal the treasure of your heart–your desire to serve Radha-Krsna. Don’t listen to talks of impersonal liberation, which are a tigress who devours everyone. You should even give up attraction for Lord Narayana, which leads to the world of Vaikuntha. Instead, O mind, just worship Sri Sri Radha-Krsna in Vraja, for They bestow upon their worshipers the jewel of pure love for Themselves.

    (5) The highwaymen of lust and his friends have bound me around the neck with the painful, horrible, powerful ropes of many wicked deeds. O mind, please scream out to the devotees of Krsna, the killer of Baka, “I am being killed!” Then He will save me.

    (6) O Mind, why do you burn us both by bathing in the urine trickling from the ass of great deviousness and hypocrisy? Instead, you should delight us by eternally bathing in the glistening nectar-ocean of pure love for Sri Sri Gandharva-Giridhari (Sri Sri Radha-Krsna).

    (7) As long as the impudent untouchable woman of the desire for fame dances in my heart, why should pure love for Radha-Krsna touch me? O mind, continuously serve my spiritual master, the leader of those who are dear to the Lord. Then my master will quickly kick out that harridan and allow that pure love to enter.


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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    For the sake of discussion, since my friend Akruranath das Prabhu has written an essay (so short I might add…some inside humor), then we must discuss the issue of yoga vis a vis devotional service, and the issues of attachment of the jiva soul as it relates to the ‘phatasmagoria’ that passes before us. These are all transcendental topics, and topics which Krishna discusses deeply and clearly with Arjuna (and hence with all of us) in the blessed Bhagavad Gita. Nice photo of His Grace on the Parikrama Path of Sri Govardhana Hill.

    First, the issue of yoga (8-fold ashtanga yoga system) can lead to meditation on Sri Krishna as the perfection of the yoga system. These issues are dramatized in the Prema Pradipa, a novel by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur. The concept: Devotional service, bhakti, surpasses all yoga processes. Krishna also suggests that both jnana (the pursuit of transcendental knowledge) and work in devotion (bhakti) can lead to perfection, but work in devotion is better. So, the mind when engaged in devotional service is friend, and the mind which is dragged about by sense objects, leads into more bondage. Akruranath aptly describes his purpose and his realization that bringing oneself to the Holy Name controls the mind. But, we should aspire that we come to the Holy Name not simply to practice “yoga” (yama, niyama, etc.) but rather to lovingly serve Sri Krishna. With open heart we may invite the Holy Name onto the throne of our heart. Hence, the discussion of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur. And, the ideal…bhukti, mukti, siddhi kami sakale ….we do not want our sense gratification, liberation, or mystic power should interfere with devotional service.

    Hence, the jiva soul is not obligated to chase the mind, but it is difficult if not impossible to avoid this unless one has the higher engagement, bhakti. The purpose of bhakti, however, is not control of the mind, but rather awakening our love for Krishna. Bhakti is the means and the end both.

    All of this is good food for thought and should make interesting Krishna conscious discussion. Tushyanti ca ramanti ca… Hare Krishna.

    Yours in service,
    Pusta Krishna das

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    there is two kinds of subject:
    Krsna katha and management katha and mundane katha

    Krsna katha can be understood in the light of the sages os Naimisaranya:
    SB 1.1.19: We never tire of hearing the transcendental pastimes of the Personality of Godhead, who is glorified by hymns and prayers. Those who have developed a taste for transcendental relationships with Him relish hearing of His pastimes at every moment.

    This is desired goal of a devotee, it does not mean we can not discuss about properly managing ISKCON in association of devotees, but if we have more attraction for that then hearing Krsna katha ,that is dangerous, and especially if we enjoy hearing about others faults and not in the mood of helping them, simply for faultfinding.Then it turns into mundane katha or gramya katha that is harmful for bhakti

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    “Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.’
    Srimad Bhagavatam

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    Wow, I am overwhelmed by all the wonderful responses here!

    The anarthas of pride and envy are very prominent in kali yuga, and therefore there are millions of quarrels erupting all around us constantly.

    We do not expect to see them in the society of devotees, but we do, and plenty. Maybe its just because they stand out more?

    There are so many important things to talk about: About the color of Krishna’s feet, or the quality of His half smile (“prahasan iva”) as He is about to instruct Arjuna, or about what this material manifestation is and how it is nondifferent from Him.

    However, when we get on the internet many devotees want to argue about a few manufactured controversies and conspiracy theories.

    Even the quality of argument seems very low, with a lot of crowing about victory in debates, replete with ad hominem attacks or even childish, vulgar name-calling, and lots of chest beating about who is more loyal to Srila Prabhupada. It is difficult to avoid getting sucked into the whirlpool of these controversies, even though it usually leaves us feeling degraded and dirty, rather than enlightened and purified.

    I think Prabhava Vigraha has diagnosed the problem perfectly in comments 13 and 14. We are going after that taste: “I am so good, I am so smart. He is my enemy and I have killed him, and my other enemies will also be killed…”

    Meanwhile plenty of wonderful service opportunities are available with which to really please Guru and Krishna and make progress in cleaning our hearts and coming to understand Bhagavad-gita, but misled by the rascal mind we have no taste for them.

    “Finish my rounds? Go on harinama? Clean the temple floor? Someone else can do that. I have to go check the internet to see if anyone has responded to my brilliant article in which I skewered half a dozen famous devotees and pointed out everything that is wrong about the way things are done in ISKCON.”

    I also like that Kula Pavana, Prabhava Vigraha, Pusta Krishna and others are reminding us that intelligence and discrimination are important when put to their proper use. Similarly, mental activities have their best use in remembering Krishna.

    Even mental speculation and philosophical analysis can (and should) be applied in discussing and analyzing Srila Prabhupada’s books from different angles, making sure we have understood correctly, and becoming qualified to defeat all conclusions that oppose the bhakti-siddhanta. We have to reform the mind, not destroy it

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    there is two kinds of bonafide subjec and one is mundanet:
    Krsna katha and management katha and mundane katha

    Krsna katha can be understood in the light of the sages os Naimisaranya:
    SB 1.1.19: We never tire of hearing the transcendental pastimes of the Personality of Godhead, who is glorified by hymns and prayers. Those who have developed a taste for transcendental relationships with Him relish hearing of His pastimes at every moment….

    This is desired goal of a devotee, it does not mean we can not discuss about properly managing ISKCON in association of devotees, but if we have more attraction for that then hearing Krsna katha ,that is dangerous, and especially if we enjoy hearing about others faults and not in the mood of helping them, simply for faultfinding.Then it turns into mundane katha or gramya katha that is harmful for bhakti

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    but if we only enjoy management katha then we are spiritually having jaundice:
    NoI 7: The holy name, character, pastimes and activities of Kṛṣṇa are all transcendentally sweet like sugar candy. Although the tongue of one afflicted by the jaundice of avidyā [ignorance] cannot taste anything sweet, it is wonderful that simply by carefully chanting these sweet names every day, a natural relish awakens within his tongue, and his disease is gradually destroyed at the root.

    NoI 8: The essence of all advice is that one should utilize one’s full time — twenty-four hours a day — in nicely chanting and remembering the Lord’s divine name, transcendental form, qualities and eternal pastimes, thereby gradually engaging one’s tongue and mind. In this way one should reside in Vraja [Goloka Vṛndāvana dhāma] and serve Kṛṣṇa under the guidance of devotees. One should follow in the footsteps of the Lord’s beloved devotees, who are deeply attached to His devotional service
    then we have this famous sloka from
    Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.5.10

    na yad vacaś citra-padaḿ harer yaśo
    jagat-pavitraḿ pragṛṇīta karhicit
    tad vāyasaḿ tīrtham uśanti mānasā
    na yatra haḿsā niramanty uśik-kṣayāḥ
    Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.
    Srila Prabhupadas purport is very revealing in this matte

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    ramanreti dasa ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In this discussion, the famous image of the material body as a chariot has been mentionned. It is difficult for artists to describe this reality, wether in 2 or 3 dimensions. As a matter of fact, in most illustrations, there is one very important material element missing. That is Ahankara. Yet, acording to Lord Kapiladeva in the third Canto of SB, it is the first element to spring up from the Mahat-tattva. In his purport to verses 23-24 of chapter 26, Srila Prabhupada states:” In the beginning, from clear consciousness, or the pure state of Krishna Consciousness, the first contamination sprang up. This is called false ego, or identificationof the body as the self”. The passenger is the jiva, seated in a state of slumber, as portrayed on the illustrations, but somebody else has taken over. Ahankara is “leading” the journey. He knows were to go: to possess, enjoy and lord over the inferior energy.

    From that perspective, the driver ( intelligence) is in the service of Ahankara, through the agency of the senses and the mind which collects all data received from them.

    Generaly, the illustration we are familiar with depicts the horses ( senses) going wild and taking over from the driver ( and therefore the reins). But that is not always the case. There are many ahankaras who can manage quite well, for a good while at least, to achieve their desired result.

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I want to comment, through what Srila Prabhupad shared with me, something in relation to what my good friend Akruranath Prabhu said in #21 above. Once while walking along with Srila Prabhupad one morning, His Divine Grace said:
    “We are simply living on Krishna’s promise…na ca tasman manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamah (BG18:69), we want to become dear to Krishna.” The point here: Krishna exclaims that there is no one more dear to Him in this world then those who are explaining and helping the bhaktas to surrender unto Him.

    In these pages of, I personally envision that this is the main task to try to fulfill…that one and all will feel encouragement to submit to Krishna and renew and
    deepen their faith in Him. This is a great service, and one which Srila Prabhupad never tired of. If Srila Prabhupad had remained in Vrindaban, and had not come to the West, we would all be fully lost souls without any doubt. Now our futures are very bright indeed. The key here is in realizing that my advancement in Krishna consciousness will BEST BE FACILITATED BY SERVING OUR FELLOW ASPIRING BHAKTAS.

    I thought that this was an appropriate time to reiterate this pearl of wisdom that Srila Prabhupad humbly spoke on a morning walk in 1976. Hare Krishna.

    Pusta Krishna das

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    Gauragopala dasa ( User Karma: 5 ) says:

    “I am a person blinded by ignorance. ignorance is an object resembling darkness. I am the servant of Vishnu- I have no other function except the service of Vishnu-this mode of thought is being obstructed by the darkness of nescience.

    I have become blind for the present. Absence of light is darkness; absence of knowledge is ignorance. The only Knowledge is the darling of Nanda who is replete with all knowledge. I, who am averse to the service of the darling of Nanda, am blind. Darkness assuming form enveloped my eyes.” “Stumbling here and there, dragged by my six senses, I find myself in great danger.”

    “In such hour of peril the lotus feet of my Guru, being moved to pity, have manifested themselfs in this world in order to impart knowledge that ‘you are the servant of the darling nanda’ and to dispel the darkness of ignorance due to my loss of sense of duty which has led me to embark on the enjoyment of worldly objects and to think such enjoyment to be my duty”.

    Srila Bhaktivedanta Saraswati Prabhupada.

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In reference to # 25. “The key here is in realizing that my advancement in Krishna consciousness will BEST BE FACILITATED BY SERVING OUR FELLOW ASPIRING BHAKTAS.”

    I would like to thank Pusta Krishna for sharing this nectar… and that I still remember fondly having been part of harinam-sankirtan which he was leading in Paris sometime in the seventies.

    I would like to say that I fully endorse the above statement from # 25. I would like to share that two years ago I have been asked by one of the temple authorities in Montreal to give courses to new devotees. I have taken up this service very seriously by writing courses for the new devotees on the Sri Isopanisad. Since these are courses and no classes and that I have the freedom to handle them to my heart’s content, I have taken up an approach by which we ask multiple choice questions on each relevant point on each line of the Sri Isopanisad purports. We dig into relevant points, corroborate them by taking excerpts from the Vedabase or other books of Srila Prabhupada. A course is made up of no less than between 30 to 40 multiple choice questions (over 2-3 pages long purports), practical application questions of the philosophy, plus comments or notes on other purports taken from other sources like the Bhagavad-gita or Srimad-Bhagavatam. So far the courses have been written in French. Each course lasts around 2 hours and a half. They are given every other saturday from 10 AM to 12:30 PM, between September and May.

    For the author, it is a very refreshing experience and quite a meditation, an on-going occasion for sincerely begging help and inspiration from the Supersoul in order to do a meaningful service for the devotees. But the overall mood is exactly to try to please Krishna by preaching to the devotees. It is a service, I believe, that can give new life to older devotees who are at the age of passing down to the younger generation of devotees their experience in devotional service and as well from their life in general. It is a service that keeps oneself young at heart in the association of so many aspiring devotees. It makes one even more appreciative of Srila Prabhupada who passed this very knowledge to us in his own and unique expert and fatherly way. We want to give back, hoping to attract the attention of Krishna and the mercy of our spiritual master.

    Srila Prabhupada ki jay! All the assembled devotees ki jay!

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    KKDasa ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I knew that the Dandavats web team would not publish an expose, as the title implied. But one still had to read on to find out who the culprit was. Oh yes, the mind of course. So it was a clever tactic, and amusing too.

    There are so many qualified devotees who can give realizations about the mind. I would hate to think there are some literalists who might take Srila Bhaktisiddhanta’s shoe and stick remedy for real, and walk around black and blue. I doubt it.

    Yet some religious traditions, like the Coptics and Catholics, have provision – whether this is authorized or not – for self-inflicted pain, discomfort, deprivation, or torture of the flesh, to try and help curb the raging mind and the evil desires thereof. This doesn’t seem a very exciting prospect for me.

    I’d rather stick to eating, singing, dancing and chanting my way to mind control. I feel better already. But I hasten to add, that this eating, singing, dancing and chanting – in spite of its carefree inferences – has to be done dead seriously to benefit.

    Ys, Kesava Krsna Dasa.

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Regarding #27 above, I too remember Prabhava Vigraha das in Paris on sankirtan. He was a very joyful and happy devotee. I recall one experience he told me of at the time while he was doing book distribution in Paris. He said that one person walked by him and said, likely in French, “go out and get a real job”, to which Prabhava Vigraha responded, “if you don’t do this (work for Krishna), they YOU will have to go out and get a job!”

    It is a fact, we are blessed if we will be given an opportunity to share Krishna consciousness philosophy and practice with aspiring bhaktas. There is no higher service than this in the world…because it is pleasing to Krishna and endears us to Him. This is the very purpose of Krishna conscious practice.

    We will not be the loser if we serve good-hearted Vaishnavas. We must avoid envious souls who have ulterior motives for personal gain and standing. We must serve the innocent and sincere seekers from whatever quarter.

    While Prabhava Vigraha, like myself, has aged some 38 years since our Sankirtan in Paris together, his happy mood reminds me of one similar bhakta who is locally here in Northern California, Vaisheshika das, whose happy mood in Krishna consciousness reminds me of you.
    Hare Krishna, and may the Montreal Temple keep you nicely engaged in service until the next phase of service that Sri Sri Guru Gauranga will present to you.

    Pusta Krishna das

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    Akruranatha ( User Karma: -11 ) says:

    If only we could actually hit the mind with shoes or a broomstick, but it is too subtle. We do not know where to strike. Beating the chest or the head (as some folks do) does not actually do the trick.

    [Unless beating with shoes means to walk to the temple in the morning and beating with broomstick means to sweep the temple floor at night?]

    I was reading in Bhagavatam this morning that dirty things in the heart are the cause of all miseries. It is these dirty things that prompt the mind to tell us, “You have chanted enough japa for now, don’t you want to do something else?”

    Or sometimes the mind who has not learned better may try enticing us with, “You have been chanting so many years, and what have you got to show for it? You are missing out on the opportunity to do so many enjoyable things, for what?”

    But associating with Krishna by chanting and remembering is the very thing that clears away the dirty things, and once the dirty things in the heart are gone, the subdued mind will know resistance is futile.

    When the mind sees that we are patient enough and determined enough and know well enough that there is absolutely nothing better to do that chant Hare Krishna with full reverence and attention, without expecting any material reward, it will finally surrender to Krishna. Then we will become completely happy and all miseries will stop.

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    ccd ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    When you, Akruranatha Prabhu, say “I am surprised to see that none of the comments so far have addressed the issue of faultfinding and the mind’s attraction to hear about exposure of a “corrupt leader.”” I find it in myself as a tendency I try to curb, I like the way you present this problem which is really based in our mind. Yes we constantly do that because our mind will force us. The way Rationalistic education had brought us up we can not avoid picking faults with our intelligence, more intelligent you are harder it is to curb this tendency. If we can not find any philosophical deviation in a leader (that would often be actually difficult and would require the knowledge of what Prabhupada said and wanted) the mind tries to find fault with some other aspect of the leader’s life — a mannerism, an alleged personal scandal, or a misinterpreted remark or words taken out of context. This is the reason for leaders to take special care and not be even to a slightest subject to suspicion, it is paralyzing to a degree. But we find that even if someone is rather good in may ways, we try to put them down to make ourselves feel better and ‘elevated’. I do not know if it is really makes you feel ‘better’ but certainly less subordinated, subordination is something that mind and ego rebells against. The feature of pride is not to want to be subordinated to another person, moreover anyone born in the kali-yuga, and the function of a regular guru is to actually overcome this ‘little difficulty’. Now, unfortunately and obviously, we can just guess that it is not easy for everyone, including ourselves. Let’s be honest, it is not easy and let be honest if none of us had this difficulty we would have taken over the world in a great sucess. And thank you again Akruranath Prabhu.

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Remembering and praising very dear sankirtan devotees — Part I of II

    Regarding # 29 above. Thanks Pusta Krishna for the souvenir. Here is my souvenir, I really do remember most of you. It was when you were leading harinam sankirtan in Paris, with you in the front (there is a picture of this in a BTG actually). You were, to me, the first devotee introducing (in Paris) the chanting in English of “We’re going home, back to Godhead” and we would joyfully repeat after you. And then, if I remember well, there was this verse of Bhagavad-gita, again in English, “For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor having once been does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” At some point, you were no more in Paris…. but this chanting remained amongst our traveling sankirtan party.

    One summer time, at the end of the day, in big cities such as Lyon or Bordeaux (France), I remember very well, as a group we had decided to do harinam sankirtans after each day of book distribution… just for the sake of chanting, even though there wouldn’t be that many people left anymore in the streets around/after 7 PM. — You know how is the French lifestyle, everything comes to a halt around that time, streets become empty. But as a group, we “needed nectar”, we were missing kirtans, and we had decided to chant and dance to our heart’s content at least a good half-hour after our “day’s work”. It was indeed quite refreshing. And all the time we would intersperse the maha-mantra with the chanting as we had learned from you in English. ….”We’re going home, BTG” and the Bg verse. I remember fondly these days and kirtans. So was our KC youth… pure bliss after you have tried your best to please Srila Prabhupada throughout the day.

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Remembering and praising very dear sankirtan devotees — Part II of II

    In regards to Vaishesika Prabhu, after having heard about him for so many years but never having had the opportunity of meeting him, it was a first time for me some weeks ago. I was delighted to meet and exchange with him when he was in Montreal. Despite being a first encounter with him, I did feel some closeness of heart with him. This is the kind of devotee that I really, really, like from the bottom of my heart: a true and true sankirtan devotee, a privileged front liner leading the way to success of Srila Prabhupada’s sannkirtan mission. A devotee who will do the extra yards and miles to get the job done for Srila Prabhupada’s book distribution. A very personal, surcharged and warm devotee whose contact draws everyone’s attention to the real thing: distribution of Srila Prabhupada’s book. A devotee focused on expanding the sankirtan movement with all his God-given talents and trusting inspiration. Whenever I think of the person and hear classes of Vaishesika, I feel really inspired and am happy that there are still such rare devotees of this caliber on the planet. Devotees like that blow out the window any “negative hesitations, negative hold-backs” over what a devotee should be or become in terms of puriy and service attitude. He is a role model and I wish only to walk a little behind his fast paced lotus feet and get a few kicks of dust in the process.

    Such a devotee is an answer personified that it is possible in ISKCON, by engaging according to one’s capacity in the simple program of sankirtan kindly given to us by Srila Prabhupada, to be well-established on our way back to Godhead in terms of inner peace, knowledge, bliss, enthusiasm, humility and purity. Srila Prabhupada’s “simply wonderful” mercy by which anyone and everyone can also become “simply wonderful”, ki jaya!. Srila Prabhupada and all of his “simply wonderful” disciples, ki jaya!

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Comment in regards to # 31.

    There are things that can’t be tolerated, because this is simply the way it is.

    Thank God that nobody “fell in” the wrong way on the subject. Dear ccd, the reality of spiritual life has nothing to do with the mood of being right or wrong while faultfinding. Reality is shown to us right from the beginning of SB 1.1.2. Nirmatsara, no tolerance for envy. That is the standard of SB. Then on, there is room for inner peace and appreciation of everyone under the sun as a part and parcel of Krishna’s universal family.

    At present, on Dandavats, there is a comment by HH Sivarama Swami on the subject matter of porn. Envy is in the same ball park. One has to say No! and keep deadly away from it saying to oneself: “I am not going to get myself dragged down into this…. ” If you do, you feel it right away, your bliss has gone down the drain. Once, you have resisted so many times and that you do feel good for having done so, you can draw your own conclusions and see that you have finally turned around from such a bad tendency.

    Reality is on the spiritual platform where, right off the bat, one is forewarned that there is no room for envy. Krishna is and remains as ever in the center as the Supreme Enjoyer and Controler. This is the path leading to Vaikuntha, what to speak of Krishnaloka. Hope this makes sense to you. Srila Prabhupada’s mercy for showing us the freedom of envy, ki jaya! Hari, hari bolo :-)

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Comment on # 34.

    I realize that I should have written at the end of comment # 34 “freedom from envy” instead of “freedom of envy”. Sorry everyone and pranams.

    To continue on this subject which may appear to have only a negative approach, but in this regard there is a very interesting description of examplary behaviour of Lord Siva in SB, 4th Canto, in his dealings with Daksa. Daksa was indeed very envious of Lord Siva. Lord Siva is the greatest of vaishnavas. Mahajana yena gata sa pantha. We should follow in the footsteps of the mahajans. Amongst plenty of beautiful teachings in this part of the SB, it is said there that a great devotee like Lord Siva not only appreciates but amplifies the good qualities of others. And in the case of Srila Prabhupada, he was (and still is through his instructions) expert in drawing the best of each and everyone of us for the positive service of the Lord. So we may take advantage of this SB knowledge for guidance and inspiration. Srila Prabhupada, ki jaya!

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