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Guru means heavy

Saturday, 20 November 2010 / Published in Articles / 4,018 views

From Krishna Kathamrita Bindu issue 238

Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja

Devotee 1: Some devotees say that since there are so many people coming to Krishna consciousness now, and since Srila Prabhupada said that we should become gurus, so even if we are not qualified, still, because the need is there for gurus, then we must take up the service to Srila Prabhupada of becoming a guru.

Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Prabhupada said, “You become guru.” But guru means guru. Guru means heavy, not light. “You become guru”, means to become guru in the true sense. Not an untrue or false guru. Become a true guru. That is what Srila Prabhupada was saying.

Devotee 2: Is there a need to take the position out of necessity?

Gour Govinda Swami: What is that necessity? The necessity is to deliver a fallen soul and give him shelter. That is the necessity. What other necessity is there?

Devotee 2:

So if you can’t deliver the disciple, then why act as guru?

Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Delivering the fallen souls is the necessity. Other than this, what else is necessary? Some may say that there is some material necessity. But we are not after material considerations. We are after spiritual necessity. We are not materialists. We are spiritualists. If you only think of material necessities, then it will be a materialistic organization. This is Mahaprabhu’s movement. He has not said to do like this. Mahaprabhu has not set that example.

If someone is not qualified, how can he accept disciples? If he is intelligent, he should not accept. “No. I cannot take up that responsibility. Why shall I accept?” Guru means very heavy. It’s a heavy responsibility, not something light. If he cannot take up the responsibility, why should he accept disciples? Why would such a person accept disciples? He will do so only for his own adoration, honor, and prestige — pratiṣṭhā. Pratiṣṭhā means honor, name, fame, adoration and prestige. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami says that pratiṣṭhā is śukarera-viṣṭhā, the stool of a hog. If a vaiṣṇava is trying to get pratiṣṭhā, name, fame, prestige, and adoration, then that is accepting the stool of a hog. A vaiṣṇava will never run after this thing.

— From a darshan, April 1992, Bhubaneswar.

Excerpted from issue number 238 of Sri Krishna Kathamrita Bindu the fortnightly email magazine from ISKCON Gopal Jiu Publications. For information about obtaining a free subscription to Sri Krishna Kathamrita Bindu, write to:

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    With all respect to all bhaktas, Sri Gurudeva is the transparent via medium to Krishna. We want to see if that is the case or not. The fallen jiva soul wants desperately to be the center. Even in religious matters, the subtle pratishtha can creep in and spoil things, like mixing a little sand in the sweet rice. The best approach is that given by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: Feel oneself to be the servant of the servant of the servant of the Lord. We have seen some unqualified persons adopt the role of guru…yes with a heavy hand, and not necessarily with a serious grave heart. So, the subtle matters of self-examination and even self-deceit remain. Everyone knows everything. We are told to accept Sri Gurudeva for initiation, for instruction, and for service. In the ultimate issue, as Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur says through the characters in Jaiva Dharma, everyone is getting what they deserve, truly. Therefore, if we are fortunate, by the grace of Lord Krishna, we may get the association of a good and bonafide Guru. We pray that we are sincere enough to achieve Krishna’s mercy.

    Pusta Krishna das

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    Dandavat pranams
    all glories to Srila Prabhupada
    Gaura Govinda Maharaja was of the opinion the jiva never came from the spiritual world, however in 1995 I gave one of Srila Prabhupadas tapes to one of his disciples and asked him to comment on Srila Prabhupadas statement:
    “Because we have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago. Anadi karama-phale. Anadi means before the creation. We living entities, we are eternal. Even the creation is annihilated after millions and trillions of years, the living entities, they are not annihilated. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. They remain. So when this whole cosmic manifestation will be annihilated, the living entities will remain in the body of Visnu. Then when again another creation will take place, they will come out again to fulfill their desires. The real desire is how to go to home, back to Godhead.”

    Gaura Govinda Maharaja did not comment on this,though this disciples asked Maharaja and his other disciples to listen to Srila Prabhupadas statement, I agree and accepted everything else I ever heard from Gaura Govinda Maharaja and he gave me much personal siksa also, but on the jiva issue we did not agree, because I agreed with what Srila Prabhupada said on this issue .But this is a small issue for me now really as Srila Prabhupada said just worry about getting out of the material world by surrender to Krsna, not on how you got here.

    your servant
    Payonidhi das
    “How To Utilize Fighting Spirit”
    73/08/06 London, Bhagavad-gita 2.6

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Guru means heavy with knowledge.

    Lord Caitanya wanted every devotee to be a guru. How are we expected to be a guru? By insctructing everyone we meet about the instructions of Krishna as set in Bhagavad-gita or the Srimad-Bhagavatam. It is very easy to understand. It is practically a failure-free process on the part of any endeavoring devotee trying to fulfill this order of Sri Caitanya, is it not? Every devotee going out on sankirtan parties has experienced how nice it is to preach to conditioned souls in the proximity of an on-going sankirtan party . It is very nice, and doing so one realizes in a small way that he/she has become an instanteneous transmitter of Krishna’s instructions to someone else. This is what I call becoming nonetheless an on-the-fly guru. It does not last long, it is important vehicle of Krishna’s message, it works and it is blissful. There is a need of many such devotees.

    However, after coming back from sankirtan, one may realize that his/her preaching could have been better would he/she have been more knowledgeable in terms of spiritual teachings and personal realizations. A devotee always feels that there is room for improvement in his/her service. Eventually this meditation should bring us to appreciate the seriousness of the instruction of Lord Caitanya of being a guru on a permanent basis instead of simply for an on-the-fly basis. Then the scale of things is changed and sankirtan is seen as more than “simply going out and preach” per se. What about the daily consciousness of the sankirtan participant while not on sankirtan? What about the quality of one’s sadhana? The purity and concentration of the mind on Krishna of the preacher? The absorption into knowledge and works of devotion on a daily basis? A devotee realizes that these will have an impact on the quality of the preaching.

    … cont’d

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    Prabhava Vigraha das ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    But since one is looking at increasing the quality of one’s preaching, then, the next step is after all, —why not going all the way in this direction—: coming to really be what Lord Caitanya wants after all? That is in the end being a guru. A guru means he/she is a living example of what he/she is teaching or preaching —not necessarily accepting disciples yet. His/her every breath is for the single purpose of the service of the Lord. Nothing else. That is guru. His/her mind is set on Krishna and serving the family of all living entities, parts and parcels of Krishna. He/she has not other business but to instruct and practice the science of Krishna consciousness in life. And therefore when such a guru opens his/her mouth and meets conditioned souls, there is a most potential auspicious interaction. This is the kind of guru Lord Caitanya wanted to appear in His movement. After a natural, gradual process into maturing becoming such a guru. A guru imbued with the nectar of the science of Krishna consciousness, ready to share it with the whole world.

    Therefore, it would be wrong to think that being a guru is reserved for a few individuals only. It is rather open to everyone claiming to belong to the sankirtan movement, provided one is sufficiently eager to take this responsibility very seriously for the sake of pleasing Lord Caitanya. To be able to attain the heart of the conditioned souls, one must be living example him/herself. That is the qualification of guru: by his/her words the heart is changed. For this purpose, it is very much a question of desiring to become in all surrender, tolerance and humility blessed by Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga in this respect. Such empowered gurus gladly bring disciples to those who have advanced further to becoming initiating gurus. In this way, there is favorable cooperation, without any trace of envy or uncessary desire for name and fame in the middle. These being seen for what they are: simply anarthas, uncalled for and unwanted elements not being part of the true process of bhakti. Spreading Krishna consciousness involves purity of the heart in order to reach any kind of basic effectiveness. It involves being securely established in bhakti-yoga, off the bodily platform, acting on the spiritual platform on a permanent basis. Such exemplary devotees are most needed in the sankirtan movement.

    Srila Prabhupada ki jaya!

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    pustakrishna ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I wanted to express another line of thinking regarding the issue of the character of Sri Gurudeva. If we consider that each person is a unique soul with unique experiences and a unique character, then we want to be a little broad-minded about who we can receive instruction from. I have had the experience of knowing several different people from whom I have received instruction, and who I would consider a siksha-guru. Really, guru most importantly is the siksha guru. They each have different personalities. We always were taught that imitation is dangerous. We want to repect the individual character of different people. We might find that one is more grave, one is more jolly, one is more of this or that quality…the point is that each person is a unique individual soul, eternally.

    So, we know that the expression “guru means heavy” is there. What does heavy mean, however? From the Bhagavad gita, we know that Krishna expresses (tad vidhi…) that His representative can impart real knowledge because he has seen the truth. We know that by associating with Sri Gurudeva, a transparent via medium to Krishna, that we may catch a true understanding or even a glimpse of Krishna Himself.

    There are different personalities playing the role of siksha guru (more important that diksha guru, really), and different souls will be brought to those individuals by the arrangement of Krishna to be benefited or even not benefited by the will of Krishna. Sri Gurudeva is not a monolithic entity, but a diverse collective of devotional guides whose single common quality is that they have received divine instruction and can present it without deviation. We have also had the opportunity to meet grave cheaters, unfortunately.

    Pusta Krishna das

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