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General rules are not changed because something happens to a particular person in a special situation. General rules should be accepted by people in general. Sri Dhruva Maharaja went to Dhruva loka in his material body; seeing that, should one waste time hoping for the same?
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura: Bhaktyaloka p.85
The purport is that we should not imitate personalities like Jahnava Devi.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 28.11.2013 @ 05:25
@Devaki referring to your comment #3.
I do not know anyone who is categorically against Female Diksha Gurus. We have had a few authentic FDGs that are recognized by our acaryas, ladies like Jahnava devi who was âNityananda sakti,â and an incarnation of Ananga Manjari, the younger sister of Srimati Radharani. These authentic FDGs were very rare and highly exceptional personalities.
I am aware that just as some now want to imitate such rare examples that in the past some have wrongly imitated such rare souls and created FDGs. And in the process of thus deviating from Daiva Varnashrama Dharma rendered the Gaudiya Sampradaya practically impotent by allowing sahajiyaism and a welter of apasampradayas to flourish to the point that by the time of Bhaktivinode Thakura to be called a Vaisnava in Orissa and Bengal was an insult.
We all know how BVT and BSST struggled in the fight against apasampradayas, sahajiyaism and caste consciousness to again revive Gaudiya Vaisnavism. BSST went to S India and studied how the highly respected Sri and Madhva Sampradayas utilized Varna Ashrama dharma to maintain the purity of their sampradayas. âPurity is the force.â BSST reintroduced Daiva Varna Ashrama into the Gaudiya sampradaya to maintain the purity and create a fortification against sahajiyaism.
It then seems incredulous and horrifying that certain factions in ISKCON want to reverse the work of our purva acaryas in order to satisfy the whims of the western gender equity program.
What people do object to are the clearly observable bias of those who want to lower the bar for FDGs so that they are no longer exceptions like Jahnava Devi.
For a female devotee to regularly chant her rounds, study sastra, preach nicely etc. should be the standard in ISKCON but is now elevated to being something wonderfully exceptional and on the level of Jahnavi Devi.
I am now understanding very clearly what Rupa Goswami meant when he wrote that so-called devotion which is not according to the Sruti, smritis and other authentic sastras is just a disturbance in society.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 28.11.2013 @ 05:22
Srila Prabhupada ***always*** spoke positively about the idea of having women diksa-gurus in ISKCON. That is, in all circumstances in which he brought up the subject or the subject was brought up by others.
Srila Prabhupada ***never*** spoke negatively about the idea of having women diksa-gurus in ISKCON. There is simply no evidence that he ever expressed himself against women diksa-gurus in ISKCON.
Well you should bring these clear and unmistakable quotes into the public light and dispel all doubts. But as far as I have read they just don’t exist otherwise this issue would never have arisen.
There have been dozens of examples of women-diksa gurus in Gaudiya Vaisnavism. In other words, it is traditional and itâs accepted by the previous acaryas. If anyone disagrees, please request that person to produce a quote from any Gaudiya Vaisnava acarya in the last 500 years, a quote speaking against women diksa-gurus.
There is not one female in our guruparampara. When Srila Prabhupada was asked about it he said it was very rare, BR Sridhara Swami they could be counted on the fingers of of one hand.
But you say there are dozens of examples. Does this mean that Srila Prabhupada was ignorant of the history of our sampradaya and needs to be educated by you? Does this mean Sridhar Swami had dozens of fingers on one hand? Or, is it that the so called examples you refer to are from bogus apasampradayas who should be shunned?
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 21.11.2013 @ 18:02
In this life you are human, in next life you may be a dog. As a human you are qualified to do so many things but as a dog you are not. Soul is the same but body is not. Please try to understand.
As Krsna explains in the Gita 18th chapter this material body is a “yantra” vehicle.
An airplane and bicycle are both vehicles. The same person can pilot the plane and ride the bicycle. But you can not do the same thing with a bicycle as you can with a plane. Driver is the same but vehicle is not.
So in male body there are certain duties and for female others even though the soul may be the same. I hope this is clear.
Those who want to use female body to do the same duties as the male body will be like someone who wants to use bicycle for plane’s work just because driver is the same.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 19.01.2013 @ 11:35
I got this quote forwarded to me from Dharmapatnis.
“We give Krishna consciousness both to the man and to the woman equally. We do not make any such distinction. But to protect them from exploitation by man, we teach something that ‘You do like this. You do like that. You be married. Be settled up. Don’t wander independently.’
We teach them like that. But so far KC is concerned, we equally distribute. There is no such thing that ‘Oh you are woman less intelligent or more intelligent therefore you cannot come.’ we don’t say that. We welcome women, men, poor, rich, everyone, because in that platform equality. We don’t refuse anyone. That is equality.
We do not say that because you are less intelligent women that you cannot come and engage in devotional service. But, we do have separate roles for the men and the women. Both are engaged in service, but different duties in society are still there.“
Srila Prabhupada Room conversation Philadelphia, July 1975
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 19.01.2013 @ 11:17
Chaturatma Prabhu wrote:
2) Does anyone bother to look at our sampradaya? Chaitanya literature shows repeated examples of female gurus.
These would seem to end the debate.
Could you please provide with some examples Prabhu. When Srila Prabhupada was asked about female gurus he was hard pressed to even think of one, Jahnavamata. So I am wondering who all these female diksa gurus are that you are referring to.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 06.12.2012 @ 08:31
Well mother Phalini that is a surprise but whoever posted this article has done a great service. It seems to be very popular and at last count has generated 41 “FaceBook likes”
And Bhakta Mike that was a great comment. You are right
“And we reserve the right to retain practices and beliefs that make us distinct, especially where it is a kind of requirement.”
And in this way we will standout from the crowd. In marketing this is called “Branding”. Companies pay millions even billions of $ to have distinctive branding.
But here in ISKCON some people want to destroy what makes us unique and attractive so that we can be “main stream.” I don’t don’t know about you but did anyone ever notice just how polluted that stream is?
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 16.04.2011 @ 10:18
This is an excellent article. You should write more. There are so many good points I don’t even know where to start. The following one is so true:
Meanwhile, while thousands of women from other faiths are waking up from the madness, back in ISKCON, several male leaders have been falsely accused of âconspiracyâ against women or theyâve been offensively labeled as âmisogynistsâ, because they support Prabhupadaâs teachings about a womanâs position according to varnasrama dharma. More amazingly, Srila Prabhupada himself has become an object of ridicule by certain women as well as their male supporters who consider it their duty to correct the founder acarya on these matters, assuming that he didnât know what he was talking about, was âold-fashionedâ, etc.
It seems that we in ISKCON are so far behind the curve in understanding the pernicious effect of feminism. I hope that our leaders wake up before it is too late. Unfortunatley it is obvious to many that a group of entrenched ISKCON leaders actually support this madness of feminism.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 10.04.2011 @ 01:27
Very nice history. However, I don’t see any of the photos mentioned in this article? Not seen Madri dd in a long time.
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 08.04.2011 @ 05:57
So you would like it that we should all shut up and listen to you because you are âsenior.â I remember an instance in the Brooklyn temple when Balimardana Dasa and his wife Taittariya dd were in charge. She was in complete maya and also influenced him. Things were in such a state that she was having chicken offered to Sri Sri Radha-Govinda. Many devotees didnât speak up because they were afraid to offend the âseniors.â While it is very important to obey rules of etiquette in vaisnava dealings lest we fall from spiritual life, but sometimes we should care more about the welfare of Lord Caitanyaâs movement than for our own selves and strongly speak out when errors and apasiddhantic teachings are propagated. At that time it is better to adopt the mood of gopis who would prefer to give the dust from their feet if it would cure Krsnaâs headache even knowing that it would lead them to hell. We have to care more about Krsnaâs wellbeing than our own and do whatever it takes. As Srila Bhakti Siddhanta said âtrue humility is to adhere to the truth, not the false show of feigned humility cultivated by sahajiyas.â
Also as pointed out in #189-190 http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9349#comment-14290 you are not following Stri-dharma and are currently disobeying the instructions of Srila Prabhupada regarding the behavior of a wife whose husband is a vanaprastha. So how you can say you are senior and try to brow beat others that they must agree with your opinion otherwise they are offenders.
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada
Comment Posted By Bhaktilata dasi On 12.07.2011 @ 20:43