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Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, in Winnipeg there is one very pious east Indian man who for many years has been worshiping somewhat, worshiping Lord Siva. And his wife is also a very quite chaste woman and sincere follower — and so were her parents — of Lord Siva. And he is reading your Bhagavad-gita.[..] And he has read in one of your purports that Krsna is more pleased when you worship His devotee than when you worship Him directly. And Lord Siva is a very great devotee of Krsna. So he has now interpreted that to mean that if he worships Lord Siva so nicely, then actually he is pleasing Krsna more. So he is experiencing some difficulty because of this and I’m not quite sure how to instruct him that actually…
Brahmananda: That… Our Godbrother has difficulty in replying to this interpretation that Krsna says, “You can please Me by worshiping My devotee,” and Lord Siva is the devotee of Krsna. So therefore this man says, “Then I shall worship Lord Siva. In that way I shall please Krsna.”
Prabhupada: But if he accepts Lord Siva is devotee of Krsna, then by worshiping Lord Siva he will be benefited. If he thinks Lord Siva is independent, then he will not be benefited.
Devotee (3): I’ve got him to accept that Lord Siva is devotee of Krsna, but there’s no practical instruction in his worldly activities coming.
Prabhupada: No, vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh: “Amongst the Vaisnavas, Sambhu, Lord Siva, is the greatest Vaisnava.” So we worship Lord Siva as Vaisnava. We gives respect to Vaisnavas. So why not Lord Siva? Lord Siva is a big Vaisnava. But generally, the devotees of Lord Siva, they take Lord Siva is independent God. That is offensive. If you know that Lord Siva is also a devotee, you can give more respect to Lord Siva. Krsna will be pleased.
Devotee (3): Srila Prabhupada, he does not chant Hare Krsna, he chants om sivaya namah.
Prabhupada: That’s all right.
Devotee (3): It’s all right?
Prabhupada: He will gradually become devotee. When God, Lord Siva, will be pleased upon him, he will advise to worship.
Devotee (3): He is already trying to tell him to follow in your footsteps surely, so just before I left he said he will try once again to chant sixteen rounds of japa, Hare Krsna. He has tried already. He has a taste for…
Prabhupada: If he simply understands that Lord Siva is a Vaisnava and if he worships Lord Siva, then he will get the benefit.
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» Posted By Divyambara Dasi On Jun 15, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Thank you very much for this thoughtful warning, Maharaja.
It is an important injunction that krsna-bhaktas concentrate on chanting the Hare Krishna mantra—chanting Siva mantras it’s not part of our sadhana.
The verses you quoted from SB 4.2.28-29 are spoken by Bhrgu Muni in great anger—he is counter-cursing Lord Siva in a pastime, which ultimately glorifies Lord Siva.
Lord Siva is the original spiritual master of the Rudra-Vaisnava Sampradaya, and his followers are not all degraded living beings. For example, later in the Fourth Canto, we find Lord Siva’s beautiful prayers to Lord Visnu. Here he acts as the spiritual master of the Pracetas, who are “pious” and “gentle”:
“Lord Siva became very pleased with the Pracetas because generally Lord Siva is the protector of pious persons and persons of gentle behavior.” SB 4.24.26
“Sometimes Lord Siva has to deal with persons who are in the modes of passion and ignorance. Such persons are not always very much religious and pious in their activities, but since they worship Lord Siva for some material profit, they sometimes obey the religious principles. As soon as Lord Siva sees that his devotees are following religious principles, he blesses them. The Pracetas, sons of Pracinabarhi, were naturally very pious and gentle, and consequently Lord Siva was immediately pleased with them.” SB 4.24.26 purp
My point is that those who approach Lord Siva as the greatest Vaisnava (vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh, SB 12.13.16) please him and receive his blessings to become better Vaisnavas.
Nowadays chanting om namah sivaya has become a fashion. Once I happened to be among a few hatha yoga practitioners. They wanted to have kirtan and proposed to start with om namah sivaya. “Do you know who Lord Siva is–his position and personality?” I asked. They had no clue. I explained to them who he was in relation to Lord Visnu, what benedictions we could ask from him, etc. The whole group chanted om namah sivaya with great respect, and must have gotten Lord Siva’s blessings, because when we moved to om namo bhagavate vasudevaya and Hare Krishna, the kirtan became ecstatic.
I know a number of devotees who came to Srila Prabhupada by the mercy of Lord Siva, having chanted siva mantras for some time.
I just wanted to offer another angle of vision, in support to Danavir Maharaja’s main point, that there is no need for devotees of Krishna to chant Siva mantras. The Hare Krishna mantra is all inclusive and all-perfect. — ys Divyambara dd
» Posted By Divyambara Dasi On Jun 15, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Re. Srila Prabhupada’s opinion on using hatha-yoga for preaching.
I’ve heard personally from Dhananjaya Prabhu (MVT, Vrindavan) about Srila Prabhupada’s guidelines for managing the Krishna-Balaram Mandir in Vrindavan, India. One suggestion Srila Prabhupada had was that because people in Dehli are interested in health, then at the KB Guesthouse there could be a yoga room where visitors could take classes on hatha-yoga, and devotees could take the visitors to see the Deities, eat prasada, etc.–in this way introduce people to Krishna Consciousness.
A very important point about men and women being separate during hatha-yoga classes.
In general, I feel that many devotees have health issues because of lack of exercise and proper eating habits. Hatha-yoga is a very sattvic tool for keeping the body & mind fit for service.
» Posted By Divyambara Dasi On May 28, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
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Thank you for your article and reaserch on the gunja berries. I, too, am
very passionate about this most dear ornament of Lord Krishna and have done
a small research on it.
I was fortunate to live in Vrindavan during every Karttika for 5 years.
Karttika is the month when gunja ripens. Since I discovered several vines
around the KB Mandir, I would every year pick ALL gunja berries and make
malas for the Deities. At that time I didn’t know that the berries were
poisonous and although I did pierce my fingers now and then, there was no
reaction on my health whatsoever. I guess Sri Sri Radhe-Syama protected me.
I feel so happy making those gunja-malas, and when I see the Lords wearing
them I feel absolutely ecstatic.
Just wanted to share my practical experience with you. I am still trying to
figure out how to make gunja earrings and ornaments, as described in the
verse beginning with naumidya te bhra-vapuse…
PS: If someone is interested in picking and making gunja-malas, I would be
happy to explain where the vines grow around the KBM. These are only red
berries, though. I haven’t discovered the white ones yet. I’ve seen many
times that the monkeys eat the gunja berries and remain the same alive
rascals… And I’ve been told by residents of Vrindavan that the cows love
eating gunja, too.
» Posted By Divyambara dasi On Dec 30, 2006 @ 3:05 pm
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