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Such a conditioned state does not change the fact that âoriginallyâ before first appearing in the maha-tattva within ethereal (subtle) and then biological (gross) restricted vessels, and then eventually along the journey enter the body of Maha-Vishnu, Vraja River or the Impersonal Brahmajyoti over and over and over and over again, they were ALL with Krishna as nitya-siddha in Goloka-Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada - “Unless one develops full devotional service to Krsna, he goes up only up to Brahmasayujya (Impersonal liberated state in the Brahmajyoti) but falls down. But after millions and millions of years of keeping oneself away from the lila of the Lord, when one comes to Krsna consciousness this period becomes insignificant, just like dreaming”. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Australia 1972.
Srila Prabhupada â âThis Brahmasayujya mukti is non-permanent. Every living entity wants pleasure, but Brahmasayujya is minus pleasure. There is eternal existence only. So when they do not find transcendental bliss, they fall down to make a compromise with material blissâ Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Australia 1972.
Srila Prabhupada â âFormerly we were with Krsna in His lila and sportâ Letter to Madhudvisa Swami 1972)
Srila Prabhupada - âWe have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973
Srila Prabhupada has told us that the ethereal and biological body we now have is not our real perpetual body and that our eternal Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha body is everlastingly in Vaikuntha âYou just have to realize itâ he added, âIt is there right nowâ he further explained.
Some devotees once said in Mayapur in 1976 that it is too difficult to understand how we originally fell down from Goloka or Vaikuntha and the subject is best not discussed as Prabhupada had previously told his Australian devotees in 1972 however on this occasion in Mayapur he says the opposite and tells the devotees they should try to understand.
We have to realize that being marginal means free will, even in Goloka. Without it how can there be genuine Love?
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura - “As long as the jiva takes full shelter of the Supreme Lord he remains a resident of Vaikuntha. But when his innate spiritual knowledge of the Lord is covered by forgetfulness, he is placed outside the transcendental realm.” (Caitanya Siksamrita, Sanmod-ana Bhasya-sloka-1)
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 29.12.2010 @ 18:00
This means many baddha-jivas enter the Body of Maha-Vishnu or can enter the impersonal characteristic of their own consciousness, which simultaneously is known as the âimpersonal Brahmajyoti of inactivityâ at the dissolution of each mahat-tattva creation.
This entrance into their own dormant impersonal inactive condition only happens if they are not qualified to again remember their âfull potential selfless loving awarenessâ of being a nitya-siddha perpetual Krishna Conscious body in Goloka.
In this way, the baddha-jiva sub-conscious state starts off as a non-Krishna conscious dream condition originating from the marginal living entity in Goloka just like darkness originates when there is no more light.
Therefore it is only the secondary or inferior baddha-jiva shadow of oneâs nitya-siddha bodily self that is a formless state of consciousness that is sometimes referred to as particles of spirit, spiritual atoms, sparks or molecules (All referring to the baddha-jiva and NOT the nitya-siddha body).
This baddha-jiva secondary condition of the marginal living entity can only experience selfish desires through material bodily vessel provided by Maha-Vishnu from within His mahat-tattva creation that clothes the inferior baddha-jiva state with subtle (ethereal) and gross (biological) material containers or bodily vessels of the mahat-tattva.
Srila Prabhupada â âIn His form as Karanodakasayi Vishnu the Lord impregnates material nature by His glance. The transcendental molecules of that glance are particles of spirit (baddha-jivas), or spiritual atoms, which appear in different species of life according to the seeds of their individual karma from the previous cosmic manifestationâ. Caitanya Caritamrta Ädi 5.69
Srila Prabhupada - âBecause he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Australia 1972
The seeds of the marginal living entity in their nitya-baddha condition is bonded to the mahat-tattva by their individual karma from the previous cosmic manifestation is significant because it means that if one is caught up in the material dream creation of Maha-Vishnu, they may take birth over and over again within unlimited creations of maha-tattva creations.
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 29.12.2010 @ 17:33
Srila Prabhupada has written in the Srimad Bhagavatam that âit is a fact no one falls from the spiritual worldâ, however, the marginal living entity can dream, imagine or think they have fallen when in fact they never can fall. How do we understand this?
Srila Prabhupada - “Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108–San Francisco, February 18, 1967)
It is important to understand that ALL marginal living entities âoriginallyâ come from Goloka-Vrndavana. This means their permanent genuine nitya-siddha body is ALWAYS in a perpetual state of uniqueness, originality and durableness, this means the marginal living entity is forever fresh and youthful as their nitya-siddha body in Goloka even if their âawarenessâ of reality is off dreaming in the material creation as nitya-baddha.
It is imperative to comprehend that all marginal living entities ARE their nitya-siddha body even while their nitya-baddha consciousness, that possesses material bodies, is active in the mahat-tattva. The nitya-baddha condition has nothing to do with who one really is. The nitya-baddha consciousness is only the dream echoed projection of the marginal living entity that is born out of rejecting Krishna just as darkness is born out of the absence of light.
In this way, even if oneâs âawarenessâ is in the material creation or mahat-tattva as nitya-baddha, oneâs nitya-siddha spiritual body is always âeternallyâ in Goloka and can NEVER fall from there due to being a permanent fixture within the âeternal presenceâ of Krishna Consciousness in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha
The nitya-siddha body is endowed with a two-armed form like Krishnaâs even if one dreams, imagines or thinks they are in the material creation as their nitya-baddha shadow that creates millions of different subtle and gross material bodily vessels or bodies.
What makes things mystifying to several is that some marginal living entities, who have manifested as their inferior secondary baddha-jiva state projected into the material creation, can stay in the material creation or mahat-tattva for what seems to be an almost eternity!
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 29.12.2010 @ 17:29
Only a minority fall down from Goloka and Vaikuntha and for them the mahat-tattva is created. No jiva souls originate from an impersonal source or from some cleat sheet of consciousness as some foolishly believe and teach.
Dr. John Mize â âDid all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, theyâre not foolish, they donât fall down?â
Srila Prabhupada â âNo, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall downâ.â. Los Angeles, June 23, 1975
Itâs not so difficult to ârealizeâ that long, long, long, long ago we were with Krishna as our permanent real nitya-siddha body but have now chosen not only to forget Krishna, but also forget that nitya-siddha body within the realm of perpetual originality called Vaikuntha
When a devotee regains their original Krsna Consciousness and re-establishes âthe awarenessâ of their nitya-siddha-svarupa body in Goloka, which is never lost while dreaming as nitya-baddha in the perishable creation, they mostly do not again take birth in this material creation again however, because of free will, there is always the chance of miss use of free will, even in Vaikuntha.
Devotee - âWhen we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we re already serving Krsna?
Srila Prabhupada - âBecause you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that âDonât fall down.â And as soon as you associate with the material nature, then you fall down.
Devotee - âSrila Prabhupada, I canât understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already servingâŠ
Srila Prabhupada - âBecause you have got little freedom. â Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 13.22-24 â Melbourne, June 25, 1974
Srila Prabhupada mentions in the 4th Canto Chapter 28 of the Srimad Bhagavatam that Krishna says - âDonât you remember me? I was your very close friend, but you gave up My Company and came to this material worldâ.
When asked directly about whether the jiva was ever in the spiritual world, Srila Prabhupada mentions in the 4th Canto Chapter 28 of the Srimad Bhagavatam that Krishna (in the form of a Brahmana) says to King Puranjana (in his next life, as the daughter of Kind Vidarbha) âDonât you remember me? I was your very close friend, but you gave up My Company and came to this material worldâ.?
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 27.12.2010 @ 14:07
Isvara prabhu you have misunderstood the clear teachings of our Srila Prabhupada who represents ALL the parampara of Gaudiya Vaishnavism in fact, it is those who do not understand that originally we have all come from Vaikuntha, that are polluted with impersonalism.
It is a fact that ALL marginal living entities have come down from Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha to this material mundane creation some millions of years ago as Srila Prabhupada has taught us.
Acyutananda â âBut in the Gita, it says, âOnce coming there, he never returns. He can return?â
Srila Prabhupada â âIf he likes he can returnâ.
Guru-kripa â âHow is it that one can become envious of Krishna?â
Srila Prabhupada â âYou have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krishna-bahirmukha haĂŻĂ€ bhoga vĂ€ĂŻchĂ€ kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldownâ. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Devotee â âWhen we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krishna, we have a perfect relationship with Krishna. What causes us to fall down in the material world, because we are already serving Krishna?â
Srila Prabhupada â âBecause you desire to fall downâ. Bhagavad-gita lecture Melbourne on June 25, 1974
Srila Prabhupada - âAs soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In the dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. But as soon as the dream is over, the âseenâ (nitya-baddha mundane consciousness ) disappears. But the seer (nitya-siddha body) remains. Now he is in his original position. Our separation from Krsna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. http://prabhupadabooks.com/?g=170123
Srila Prabhupada - âThe actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, by following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas again nitya-siddha. Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107 New York, July 13, 1976
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 27.12.2010 @ 13:43
This they can realize even now while trapped in their lower nitya-baddha dreaming self if one again turns to Krishna Consciousness. On the other hand, the rebellious marginal living entity trapped in their baddha-jiva selfish expression, can almost never realize their true bodily nitya-siddha identity if they continue to choose to remain nitya-baddha and continue to misuse their free will and not desire to âagainâ become Krishna Conscious.
Srila Prabhupada â âBy the grace of Krishna, we have complete freedom. Because the Lord is kind to us, we can live anywhere, either in the spiritual sky or in the material sky, upon whichever planet we desire. However, misuse of this freedom causes one to fall down into the material world and suffer the threefold miseries of conditioned life. Milton in Paradise Lost nicely illustrates the living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soulâs choice. Similarly, by choice, the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead.â Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport
Factually, without free will, there would be no need to have the mahat-tattva (material creation) however, because we DO have the free will to serve Krishna or reject Krishna, there is a need to have the mahat-tattva just like our society has the need to have a jail.
Without free will how can there be genuine love and service? There has to be a choice and that is why we are called ‘marginal’ living entities. Each marginal living entity has the nitya-siddha body in Goloka and, if they choose, the nitya baddha consciousness (surrogate) that takes shelter within material bodily vessels provided by Maha-Vishnu within His mahat-tattva material creation.
A devotee asked Srila Prabhupada what he had been praying for, and Srila Prabhupada said, “I was praying that I may not fall down from devotional service.” The devotee responded, “But Srila Prabhupada, a pure devotee like you never falls down.” Srila Prabhupada replied, “A pure devotee never falls down because he is always praying that he may not fall down.”
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 25.12.2010 @ 13:58
Scientific advancement such as the Hubble Telescope, the Electron Microscope and the Large Hadron Collider (atom smasher) are also made out of this gross matter, which means these instruments cannot register the subtle ethereal material universe that takes up 99% of the mahat-tattva material creation, what to speak of the Vaikunthas.
Therefore the greater majority of the material universe, not to be misunderstood as spiritual (Vaikuntha/Goloka) is the subtle material (ethereal universe and home of the demigods and hellish worlds) that can never be measured by any gross instrument or biological means in the material universe.
Therefore 99% of the mahat-tattva (material universe) is not seen with biological eyes or even measured by any kind of gross material technology no matter how advanced.
Only pious or impious activities can reveal both the heavenly and hellish words to an individual however, there is no gross material way other than by the path of self realization under the guidance of a Guru can this be realized, experienced and understood and attain AGAIN attain Vaikuntha beyond the subtle and gross material worlds.
Srila Prabhupada - âThe living entity wants to imitate Krsna and tries to lord it over material nature; thus he forgets his original position, and his illuminating power, his spiritual identity, (their nitya-siddha body is forgotten) is extinguish. However, if a living entity takes to Krsna consciousness, he is reinstated in his original position. Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, “Prayers by the Personified Vedas.”
Srila Prabhupada â âSages and saints like Narada and the Kumaras are travelling all over the universe educating people and encouraging their disciples to preach this process of devotional service so all the conditioned souls may be able to revive their original consciousness, or Krsna consciousness, and thus gain relief from the miserable conditions of material lifeâ. Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-seventh Chapter of Krsna, “Prayers by the Personified Vedas.”
There is no origin to our âsvarupa or nitya-siddha bodyâ. Every marginal living entity has an authentic nitya-siddha svarupa or sat-cit-ananda- vigraha body in Goloka-Vrndavana. Unlike the material world in the Spiritual worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana, we are our body.
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 25.12.2010 @ 13:52
In other words, when jiva-souls or marginal living entities in the nitya-baddha condition become fed up with the material creation of changing material bodies or vessels, they can escape this cycle of birth and death by either realizing their full potential nitya-siddha body that is always in Goloka even while they âenvisionâ themselves to be in the mahat-tattva, or they can cease to desire bodily activity (after much difficulty of casting off those subtle and gross material bodies) and enter an inactive dormant state of consciousness that each marginal living entity has the capacity of expression, in this case ‘impersonal’ inactivity.
Although due to the inherent nature of the baddha-jiva is activity, the impersonal Brahman condition is also temporary. The individual baddha-jivas who âmanifestâ this âdormant consciousnessâ are expressing the impersonal side of their nature and is known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti feature of the marginal living entity. In other words the impersonal Brahmajyoti is the dormant inactive characteristic of the âbaddhaâ-jivaâ
The gross characteristics of the material universe that houses biological bodies as well as there innate or lifeless remnants left over after the embodied baddha-jiva, contained in the ethereal vessel, gives up or is forced to give up the outer gross biological material vessel, is totally different than the underlining subtle body (ethereal) or universe that takes up 99% of the material universe or mahat-tattva.
Modern science therefore can only register or view less than 1% of the material universes where the middle planetary systems exist, where as the other 99% of the subtle or ethereal material creation cannot be seen with gross biological eyes or its extensions of gross material technology. Science calls un meassurable sub-space material matter âdark matterâ however if they see it then it is only part of the gross material worlds
So only 1% of the material universe is made up of gross matter and biological bodily vessels. All dead matter such as dust, rocks, sand, atmosphere comes from the presence of life, left over from the presence of biological infatuated self-centred baddha-jivas trapped with the cycle of birth and death.
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 25.12.2010 @ 13:33
Just like darkness (compared to the nitya-baddha consciousness) is created by the absence of light (compared to the nitya-siddha body), the inferior nitya-baddha conscious âconditioned awarenessâ only exists when the jiva forgets their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body.
The jiva-soul or the marginal living entity is now manifest as its nitya-baddha secondary âawarenessâ where oneâs material desires will be given the facility of a material ethereal and biological vessels that are within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu which are containments, bodily vessels or ornament belonging to the mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu.
Such material bodies are available to an unlimited number of marginal living entities via their secondary baddha-jiva condition if they choose to ignore Krishna and live out their material desires.
In this way, the mahat-tattva along with all its material vessels, are continuously created and annihilated with the creation and destruction of each mahat-tattva, the trapped baddha-jiva within those material bodies simply goes along for the cosmic ride bound by karma in search of selfish material so called pleasures in an attempt to lord it over the material energy. All these trapped baddha-jivas take refuge within the Body of Maha-Vishnu when the mahat-tattva is annihilated if they are not qualified to go Back Home, Back to Godhead.
Others like advanced impersonalist yogis can take shelter in their own inactive or dormant consciousness by ceasing all desires and actions with much difficulty, which really is a dreamless dream state of the baddha-jiva.
Therefore the impersonal aspect of the Brahman or Brahmajyoti is certainly not some place in the creation where baddha-jivas merge into as some foolishly believe but is rather a state of individual consciousness.
The Brahman or âimpersonal Brahmajyotiâ or the impersonal feature of the Spiritual Sky is actually a very small minority of jiva-souls or marginal living entities who experience this in their baddha-jiva second-rate characteristic that become further trapped in that ‘impersonal’ dormant state due to the influence of being covered then eventually frustrated by the temporary material bodies within the mahat-tattva that souls fall to and are covered (material vessels that belong to the mahat-tattva) by when they long, long, long, long, long ago chose to no longer serve Krsna in Goloka or Vaikuntha.
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 25.12.2010 @ 13:05
Srila Prabhupada â âThe Supreme Personality of Godhead impregnates the mahat-tattva (material creation) with His internal potency which are the living entities. The mahat-tattva (lifeless matter) is thus “lit up” by the sum total of the consciousness of all the conditioned souls (baddha-jivas)â Srimad Bhagavatam 3.26.19-2).
The mahat-tattva refers to the perishable material creation, which takes up one quarter of the Brahmajyoti, Brahman or Spiritual Sky that includes all the subtle (ethereal) and gross (biological) material bodily vessels that entrap the baddha-jiva soul according to their selfish material desires and good and bad reactions (karma).
The mahat-tattva is the creation of Maha-Vishnu; everything in His innate or lifeless material creation is the manifestation of His dreams and thoughts and is only moved with the appearance of life. It is He who impregnates in the mahat-tattva the baddha-jiva-souls.
So where do those baddha-jivas come from?
Maha-Vishnu brings life to the mahat-tattva by His glance that places baddha-jivas in His ‘mahat-tattva’ bodily material vessels throughout the material creation. These baddha-jivas that are placed in subtle and gross material bodily vessels are actually from the previous mahat-tattva, however there are others who have chosen to come down from Vaikuntha and even Goloka-Vrndavana, not as their nitya-siddha body, but also as their sub-conscious dream state known as the nitya-baddha jiva
This nitya-baddha characteristic of the jiva (marginal living entity) is the secondary inferior manifestation of the marginal living entity that becomes evident when the marginal living entity foolishly chooses to leave Goloka or Vaikuntha, forgetting Krishna and their own eternal nitya-siddha body.
This therefore places the marginal living entities âawarenessâ of reality as nitya-baddha into the mahat-tattva confined to an unlimited array of material bodily vessels that are all part and parcel of the material dream creation of Maha-Vishnu.
If the marginal living entity or jiva-soul chooses to enter Maha-Vishnu’s material creation by rejecting service Krishna in Goloka as their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body, then their âawarenessâ will no longer be absorbed as who really are as a nitya-siddha body (svarupa vigraha).
Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 25.12.2010 @ 12:08