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Reality, Poetry, Consciousness, Enlightenment, Metaphor and Srimad-Bhagavatam

Love reading Akruranatha prabhu’s articles also he holds the record for the most amount of comments on Dandavats.com over the years. I am also a member of his Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad gita groups on Facebook. A very inspiring devotee.

Hare Krishna

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 28.03.2014 @ 07:07

God and the Universe

Hare Krishna Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Prabhu I would love to read the chapter…

Please send it to

gauragopala@hotmail.com or at Vedic Cosmology Decoding the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam at https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389738784594714/

Your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa,

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 28.10.2013 @ 13:11

The Great Need to Understand Mental Illness in ISKCON

The police did nothing, they new who he was, while Ugrashava just called them dogs of fundamentalist Christianity among other things.

At night I would stay out on the balcony of Prabhupada’s House with the shot gun, staying awake watching Srila Prabhupada translate late into the night. Even though the night was freezing cold out on the balcony, watching Srila Prabhupada gave me warmth as he translated and had his late night massage, which was truly amazing. Then after Hari Sauri prabhu left the room, Prabhupada would go around to all the windows and doors to make sure they where locked.

For days these men intimidated devotee and guests but we were told to ignore them, except for Ugrashave Prabhu who constantly gave them lip to let them know that nothing they could do could scare us because we had Krishna on our side

A week after Srila Prabhupada had left a drive by shooting occurred and gunshots went through one of the windows - Kurma dasa’s room. He was there at the time and was fortunately unhurt. The next day it made page two of the Melbourne Sun.

A few months after that someone through a small bomb over the back fence exploding on one of the cars, which made the first bulletin on the evening TV news all over Australia. The previous night, during my guard duty, I took some rest in that same car.

The out cry of the public, due to the media reports, seemed to stop any further attacks from these Christian fundamentalist fanatics.
During all these attacks we remembered what Srila Prabhupada had said ‘ “Then our movement is having some success, these men feel threatened because our movement is having so much succuss with today’s young people”

Your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 22.11.2013 @ 16:07

My memory of Pusta Krishna prabhu, yes we have met before and even danced together in front of Radha Ballabha

In 1976 I was Srila Prabhupada’s Bodyguard and not only stayed out the front of his room, but slept there as well. At the time four well shaven suited men, all in their forties would always come by the Temple harassing us with high teak cameras and listening devices. (Keep in mind that the average age of a devotee back then was twenty-five so these adult men were pretty scary)

They would also follow us our on street Sankirtan, film us and try to intimate the devotee’s distributing books by taking many, then ripping them up and throwing the books or magazines in a rubbish bin!

These men where part of a self appointed fundamentalist Christian deprogramming group that dealt with what they considered threats to the fundamentalist Christian’s youth being converted to other faiths. One afternoon Pushta Krishna went down to speak to them and one of them, in a barrage of abuse, threatened to kill Srila Prabhupada. “These people are demons!” said Pushta Krishna

Pushta Krishna was terrified, horrified what these men had said, and was reluctant to even repeat it however; he did tell only a few devotees that Prabhupada’s life had been threatened. Hari Sauri prabhu, Srila Prabhupada’s servant, was appalled and discussed that a pure devotee of Krishna was threatened in this way and so concerned we bought a shot gun.

The next day I was outside hiding in a car out the front of ‘Prabhupada’s House’ as these men walked past, when I opened the door, one pulled out a hand gun’ The ring leader was high up member of this fundamental Christian group, a private detective known and even respected by many as a deprogrammer and even a rumoured hit man.

Amoga dasa was at the front gate and out of fear, I crawled the front wall of the Temple, about 7 feet high at the time, so quickly that Amoga was astonished.

We told Prabhupada what had happened and he said “Then our movement is having some success, these men feel threatened because our movement is having so much succuss with today’s young people” we called the police and they spoke with them and Ugrashava dasa.

continued next post

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 22.11.2013 @ 16:05

Vraja Vilasa dasa again what you write is simply nonsense in regards to my comments, my criticism is clearly of your misunderstanding of Srila Prabhupada’s comments that I have said cannot always be for all time, place and circumstance. Lets face it, your a fanatic and it seems you need to be extreme in your presentation of Krishna consciousness to convince yourself, listen to Pusta Krishna prabhu and Akruranatha prabhu, their understanding is mature while your presentation is immature, re-read their compassionate posts and learn a little humility and how to correctly deal with mental illness in devotees.

The chanting of Hare Krishna will not heal a broken leg, you must go to a doctor and have your leg put in a leg cast, then the leg will heal. Similarly many devotees have suffered from mental illness caused by a chemical embalance in the brain and the chanting of Hare Krishna alone will NOT heal a damaged brain in that instance, you must also see a doctor or psychiatrist. Sangana dasa had this chemical imbalance in his brain and his mental illness required him to be on anti-psychotics. Once he went to India and forgot to take his medication, he was chanting Hare Krishna but without his medication he still went mad and was arrested at the airport after going berserk and was put in a psychiatric Hospital in India until his medication again kicked in, only then did he become calm.

People with mental illness are not pure devotees so just like a doctor helps one with a broken leg get better and perform their service similarly a psychiatrist or mental health professional helps the devotee keep his brain substance stable with medication, as in the case of Sangana prabhu, so he can also perform his service. Of course the chanting of Hare Krishna should never stop regardless of ones bodily condition however, as already said, we are not pure devotee, some devotees need some help with their material body in achieving that level. If doctors and psychiatrists help us keep it together, which they differently do, then we should seek their help.

To deny a devotee such, care, compassion and help and tell them that only Krishna is the real doctor and only he can help you and you don’t need doctors, psychiatrists and medication is just fanatical nonsense. To not give one the proper medical care they need and ignore their medical condition by telling them only their faith in God can help them, without doctors is ignorance in our modern society. Hare Krishna

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 19.11.2013 @ 13:08

Vraja Vilasa dasa to blanket all psychiatrists the way you have is simply utter nonsense, anyone can look and find negative quotes over the internet, however, I guarantee you there are far more positive quotes by doctors and professionals.

Many devotees I know have been helped by mental health professionals. and your comments may encourage a devotee to not seek the help they need. Such a view is immature and fanatical. Frankly I believe you have no idea what mental illness is and I pray no one takes your comments seriously - Hare Krishna

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 18.11.2013 @ 13:24

Srila Prabhupada’s only concern is for the spiritual welfare of all individuals, when he spoke, he saw everyone as a spiritual entity and all his comments are from that platform. On that level he never spoke highly of institutions only dedicated to increasing material bodily sensual comforts, this is why he criticized many psychiatrists, psychologists and even hospitals.

However, in some cases, such medical professionals can and do help devotees and aspiring devotees. As already said, Srila Prabhupada’s main criticism was the use of such medical professionals without them understanding how to also give spiritual benefits. All those quotes in the above posts are based on that premises

From the spiritual platform, if such care is only given to increase sense gratification, then yes, such help is useless because the most important help is missing since the real purpose of human life is to develop ones spiritual awareness. This is the only reason why Srila Prabhupada criticized mental health care workers and even hospitals that were devoid of a spiritual base.

Today however, we must be practical and encourage sick devotees, be it physical or mental, to seek professional help that in turn helps them perform their devotional service and chant Hare Krishna.

As already said, to call them all humbug today is not very intelligent and only reveals our immaturity in understanding mental health professionals, even my personal doctor has many of Srila Prabhupada’s small books in his waiting room that was certainly not there 40 years ago, the world is a different place than when Srila Prabhupada was here. Many doctors are helping people so they can be healthy to continue to pursue their spiritual life.

Hare Krishna, your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 18.11.2013 @ 03:50

Such Fanatical fundamentalism coping and posting quotes from Srila Prabhupada is foolish and will not help those with mental illness.

Today those comments by Srila Prabhupada do not apply and are certainly NOT relevant to today’s time, place and circumstance because in most cases the medicine given by modern psychiatrist does help one perform their devotional service and to call them all humbug in today’s world is not correct and does not apply as I have explained in a previous post.

There are many researchers who believe that an imbalance in serotonin levels may influence mood in a way that leads to depression. Back in the 1970s this treatment was in its infancy. Srila Prabhupada never commented on that form of psychiatry that is so prominent in today’s 21st Century, so to blanket all psychiatrist with the saying ’they cannot help’ or they are ‘all humbug’ found in Srila Prabhupada’s letter, is just simply NOT true today and is only pursued by immature devotees who have NO idea how to practically treat mental illness in today’s world.

The fact is our medical profession HAS come a long way since Srila Prabhupada was here and you CANNOT apply his teachings to all time, place and circumstance on psychiatry or psychologists as also explained with quotes in a previous post.

All psychiatrists are NOT humbug in today’s world, they also, like doctors, can help devotees, some doctors and psychiatrists are even devotees! Pusta Krishna dasa has been a doctor for over 30 years

Mental illness is ‘seriously’ misunderstood in ISKCON because of fanatical views in these early pioneering years.

To engage in our devotional service we need a healthy body and that means we may need the help of medical professionals, be them doctors or modern psychiatrists who promote anti-depressants and anti-psychotics medication which have already been proven to help devotees and aspiring devotees.

If they can help you then they are certainly not humbug, Srila Prabhupada’s ultimate mission is to free us all from the entanglement of repeated birth and death and return back home back to Godhead, if we need some medical help in pursuing this goal, then get the help you need, do not ignore mental illness and do not listen to fundamentalist fanatics.

Hare Krishna, your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 17.11.2013 @ 18:43

Jayadvaita Swami – “Srila Prabhupada responds to the questions of specific individuals. Though again the philosophy is always the same, we cannot assume that how he speaks it to one person is how he would speak it to all. With one inquirer he might be stern, with another sympathetic, with one subtle, with another deliberately simple. We’d be rash to cite one instance as evidence of how he would respond in all instances”.

Jayadvaita Swami – “What Prabhupada said sometimes differed. Sometimes he spoke for the benefit of an individual, sometimes for the world. Sometimes what he said was for the moment, sometimes forever. So as well as we can we need to recognize, in what Prabhupada said, not only the content but the intent”.

Jayadvaita Swami – “Srila Prabhupada is again addressing a particular person, in a particular time and circumstance. And this time his words are sent in a sealed envelope, not spoken in a public assembly. His words, therefore, may be intended for many people or only for one. They may give instructions meant to apply always and to everyone or only to a special circumstance and one recipient”. All these quotes are found here - http://info.vedabase.com/index.php?main=home&content=whattomake

Srila Prabhupada’s main point in all his preaching is we finish up our selfish business in this material world and return back home back to Godhead. To help us in our devotional service sometimes we have to accept the help of the medical industry, some devotees have had heart bypass surgery by the ‘meat eating’ karmis. I remember some years ago a devotee was also offered psychiatric help but was put off by devotees saying that no meat eating nonsense karmi can ever help a devotee, only Krishna can help you, he is the ONLY real doctor!

Such immature fanatical nonsense fundamentalism will only keep ISKCON devotees, who need medical help, just suffer in the ignorance of mental illness. Krishna helps those who help themselves.

Hare Krishna, your fallen servant Gauragopala dasa

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 03.11.2013 @ 07:18

Often Srila Prabhupada spoke according to time, place and circumstance. Over the last 40 years the world has changed and some of the things Srila Prabhupada said back then cannot be applied today, for example, psychiatry back in Srila Prabhupada’s day was influence strongly by Freudian ideas who Srila Prabhupada criticized.

Śrīla Prabhupāda says, “By speculating on some shock that may or may not have occurred in childhood, one will never discover the root disease…. He [Freud] did not know the basic principle of spiritual understanding, which is that we are not this body…. We are different from this body, and we are transmigrating from one body to another.”

Today most psychiatrists also reject the outdated Freudian ideas on shock therapy in favour of chemical medicine that acts on the brain substance that is damaged due to trauma. This was the field of psychiatry I was only referring to. Back in the 1970s this treatment was in its infancy. This was my point in my original post. Srila Prabhupada never commented on that form of psychiatry that is so prominent in today’s 21st Century world of psychiatry.

In regards to the girl we sat in front of the Altar and got her to chant Hare Krishna, frankly for that time, place and circumstance it was the best thing to do and Srila Prabhupada’s letter back then was applicable however, you cannot apply that letter to all time, place and circumstance.

Of course, one who is sick, be it the biological body or brain, should also chant Hare Krishna along side the medicine they are receiving. This was the most important point Srila Prabhupada was making. As already said, in the case of Sangana dasa, the anti psychotic medication worked and helped him practically engage in devotional service on his pathway to eventually be fully dependant on Krishna. Here are some interesting quotes -

Jayadvaita Swami – “What Prabhupada said sometimes differed. Sometimes he spoke for the benefit of an individual, sometimes for the world. Sometimes what he said was for the moment, sometimes forever. So as well as we can we need to recognize, in what Prabhupada said, not only the content but the intent”.

Continued next post

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 03.11.2013 @ 06:47


 


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