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‘Vedic Tour of Our Universe’

From Mayesa Prabhu –In Satya Yuga people have very strong bodies that are bigger also, they live for 100,000 years. The Yuga dharma is meditation. By meditation they can get 8 mystic powers

But the weather is unbelievably beautiful and they are less disturbed by bugs and snakes etc they do not grow food, it grows by itself and they just select and eat. They do not need a king or a government

They live in trees. Special giant trees grew with natural hollows. They had no desire to construct buildings. This information is available in the Puranas so yes, they did live above the surface but not only in Vimanas and Sky palaces

dinosaurs

When the mini Pralaya comes water covers earth planet animals from everywhere float in that water, when the waters subside animal bodies lodge here and there and they find some big bones and ” imagine” what was the shape that is their nonsense

And bodies of demons from various places and their animals fall dead all over bhurloka this planet. That is directly Stated in the Puranas. So dinosaurs are left from water of pralays and people are bigger so why not animals bigger as well? Don’t worry if we are going to be embarrassed. All this modern science is soon to be overturned, every word of it, we must strictly preach what is in sastra and nothing else.

Moon hoax will be revealed also, so if we accept it we shall be the Biggest fools on the planet, remember a hoax is made only by a few. The hundreds that build the technology they will never know it is a sham. That is how you have success.

In WW2 the allies used loud speakers to make the enemy think there were thousands of vehicles when there was only one jeep. Similarly the allies constructed rubber planes and tanks so the Nazis would see they had more. Do you think every man in the army knew? This could have remained secret forever

Extra ordinary things are there in Puranas about other planets as well. Exact day of change from each age is given, extraordinary things. If we say what we do not find in Puranas the people will be disappointed and will not take us seriously

If you have Vimana you go to other planets so why only hover above earth? They are given a wonderful opportunity to live in Satya yuga and be able to perform the preferred religion. Demigods could come and preach here in Satya yuga - like Vaivasvata Muni, inhabitants could hear one time and remember for a life time

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 16.07.2014 @ 16:27

We are not seeing the full picture of the material universe with our biological eyes and its extended enhancements of telescopes and space probes that is also made of gross matter like our gross material bodies.

You cannot use gross matter to perceive the subtle or ethereal realms that is why modern scientists cannot see the heavenly or even the hellish worlds on other planets that are made of subtle and gross matter. Technically what we are trying to understand here is what happens after death of the biological material body and to where the subtle material vessel or body, that houses the soul or jiva while in the material creation, goes next.

We are trying to understand the after life and ultimately re-establishing our eternal original relationship with Krishna beyond the gross and subtle bodies and worlds of this temporary material universe

There are 14 planetary systems in the material universe that are all different levels of conscious awareness and dimensions, some are subtle matter and some are in other dimensions of gross matter.

We are limited to only one of those gross material realities that we perceive with our biological body in our dimension in time and space with its extensions of space probes, telescopes etc.

The ’subtle’ material universe and the ‘ethereal material body’ that underlies all biological bodies, as well as parallel universes of gross matter like ours, has not yet been discovered by modern science

Actually the ‘ethereal or subtle body’ can NEVER be discovered by using ‘gross’ matter or its technological extensions, this why no one can prove the existence of ghosts that are actually all around us. In other words, you cannot see the full picture of the material universe with biological matter or its extensions of modern science and technology.

Only by developing higher realms of consciousness within oneself and NOT through mundane telescopes, space probes, electron microscopes, cameras and viewing the atomic realm with the Large Hadron Collider, can one EVER perceive the material universe in its full potential.

A devotee of Krishna on the other hand sees through the eyes of the Sastra or scripture like the Srimad Bhagavatam, Bhagavad Gita as it is, the Caitanya Caritamrita and Surya Siddhanta that sees all of the different dimensions and realms of the material universe that is unseen by modern materialistic science.

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 09.07.2014 @ 20:46

For more information on Vedic Cosmology and the 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam please visit https://www.facebook.com/groups/DecodingVedicCosmology/

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 07.07.2014 @ 16:28

ONLY FEW FALL — Eternally liberated never fall, with footnote

Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.
Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and THIS MINUTE INDEPENDECE MAY BE UTILIZED RIIGHTLY OR WRONGLY AT ANY TIME, SO THERE IS ALWAYS A CHANCE OF FALLING DOWN by misuse of one’s independence.

Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970
Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from that are taking microbe bodies? It is not a matter of any particular body. THESE SPIRIT SOULS AND ALL SPIRIT SOULS ARE COMING FROM VAIKUNTHA, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. THERE IS NO “ NEW” SOUL. “New’’ and “old’’ are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth so how there can be new soul?

Jagadisa Prabhu asked Srila Prabhupada if those in the passive relationship were more likely to fall. The letter from Srila Prabhupada of 02/27/1970 reads:

“Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, THE SOUL MAY FALL DOWN FROM ANY POSITION OR ANY RELATIONSHIP BY MISUSING HIS INDEPENDENCE. But HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH KRISHNA IS NEVER LOST, SIMPLY FORGOTTEN BY THE INFLUENCE OF MAYA SO IT MAY BE REGAINED OR REVIVED by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; THE PROCESS IS ONE OF REVIVAL ONLY, NOTHING NEW”.

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 13.07.2014 @ 15:28

Acyutananda: ‘But in the Gita, it says, “Once coming there, he never returns.””

Prabhupada: But if he likes, he can return.

Acyutananda: He can return

Prabhupada: That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that.… That misuse is the cause of our falldown. Room Conversation February 19, 1976 Mayapur

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 13.07.2014 @ 15:15

Paramahamsa - “But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return.

Srila Prabhupada - “There is return, that is voluntary. Return there is”.

Paramahamsa - “If we want”.

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.

Paramahamsa - “So we can come to the spiritual world and return?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.

Paramahamsa - “Fall down?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes. As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” “Yes,” Krsna says, “yes, you go.” Just like nobody is interested in Krsna consciousness.
Lecture by Srila Prabhupada May 13, 1973

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 13.07.2014 @ 15:05

By stating things like we cannot fall from Krsna’s presence, you obliterate (destroy) free will. What is the meaning of free will if it cannot be misused? In this way we CAN fall down from Vaikuntha however, most ‘choose’ not to

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 18.06.2014 @ 18:21

Ones fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrndavana is due to free will and choice not maya, there is no material cause for ones fall down from Goloka Vrndavana

Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could be come the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire?

Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that? ”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? ”So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C

Devotee – “When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krishna, we have a perfect relationship with Krishna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krishna?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down.” And as soon as you associate with the material nature, then you fall down”.

Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little freedom” Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974

Srila Prabhupada - “Those who are in the Brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down” Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 18.06.2014 @ 14:36

Bona-fide Study Rests The Case; We Fell From Love!

To say we, the marginal living entities, came from an impersonal origin, is not the teachings of Srila Prabhupada nor did the jiva tattva originate from Maha Vishnu, they rather, go through Him on their way to the mahat tattva or material creation from Vaikuntha and if the jiva tattva is not qualified to go back home back to Godhead, they remain merged in Him until the next material creation, we do not originate from Him or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Srila Prabhupada - ‘The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahma is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.

Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition.

The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.

Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet.

Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.

As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent.

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet.

So we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated.”

Srila Prabhupada was very clear on this subject - “Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport” Letter to Madhudvisa Swam 1972

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 15.05.2014 @ 15:40

Resting The Jiva-Fall / No-Fall Case

We have to realize that being marginal means free will, even in Goloka. Without it how can there be genuine Love? Prabhupada tells us that originally all of us were nitya siddha in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrndavana and now we have chosen to be nitya baddha in the material creation, there is no material cause for this ‘choice’, it is simply due to free will.

Srila Prabhupada - “The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha” Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107 New York, July 13, 1976

Srila Prabhupada is very clear. Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (As nitya-siddha). But when we want to take Krsna’s position, we put ourselves into a dreaming state (As nitya-baddha) that can only exist in the mahat-tattva, the impersonal Brahmajyoti or the Body of Maha-Vishnu after the dissolution of the mahat tattva if we’re not qualified for the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka Vrndavana.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura - “As long as the jiva takes full shelter of the Supreme Lord he remains a resident of Vaikuntha. But when his innate spiritual knowledge of the Lord is covered by forgetfulness, he is placed outside the transcendental realm.” (Caitanya Siksamrita, Sanmod-ana Bhasya-sloka-1)

Srila Prabhupada - ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could be come the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire?

Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire.
Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that? ”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape.

Comment Posted By Gauragopala dasa On 13.07.2014 @ 15:36


 


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