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Simon Kitty said this:
I would be favourable towards seeing this entire topic put to bed permanently and so I NEVER see the words Swami & Abuse in the same sentance ever again !
Simon Kitty ( aspiring JPS )
The real point is that you shouldn’t worry yourselves about these things. The only thing you should be worrying about as an aspiring disciple is to chant very nice and focused rounds and diligently study Srila Prabhupada’s books under the guidance of his loyal followers. Why should you concern yourself with the inevitable traits of Kali-yuga as if it is something new or shocking? Better concern yourself with your purification and let others deal with their purification. You are in absolutely no position to understand what goes on in ISKCON before you have been trained by ISKCON devotees.
If you want to sit outside and points fingers, that’s one thing, but I know for sure it’s not going to help your spiritual development.
Comment Posted By Jahnudvip On 01.07.2006 @ 10:10
It’s notewothy that people like Bh. Mikael are more concerned with the wrappings than the contents. I guess that’s understandable of the non devotees who live in a culture steeped in facade, but it’s alarming to find the same in those who aspire to be devotees. They take great pains to point out when others express themselves in a manner not to their liking, but at the same time they reserve the right to respond as they feel like. But they never address the essential subject related to the philosophy. Is this kind of double standard something they have learned from devotees? I think not. That’s the kind of behavior you learn from the modern global culture. That’s what they teach in the modern educational institutions, which BTW Srila Prabhupada called slaughterhouses.
Let me ask you this, Bh. Mikael, what makes you think you are qualified to understand what’s going on in a movement like ISKCON on the basis of your obvious secular thinking? What makes you think you can understand what goes on in a spiritual movement under the guidance of Krishna and Prabhupada from a perception like yours? which is obviously conditioned by your local culture. Just because your your local culture has turned global doesn’t mean it’s of any value.
What’s your spiritual merit? Have you carefully studied all of Srila Prabhupada’s books under the guidance of experienced and loyal devotees in ISKCON? You don’t sound like it. You sound like any other person with a polished false ego I meet on the internet every day. These people always become very offended if the people they discuss with are not extremely polite and softspoken. We see the same phenomenon in ISKCON. First the neophytes attack everything and everyone in ISKCON, then, when devotees of ISKCON defend themselves, the same neophytes whine about not being polite, they complain that we are not showing good manners. Manners according to whom? That’s another question I have for you, Bh. Mikael. What makes you think you are fit to teach me manners?
Think about it. Who taught you your value system? You are certainly not expressing Srila Prabhupada’s value-system. Where do you get all these ideas of humanism, neatralism, relatavism and so on, that your value system obviously is based on? Why don’t you answer me these simple questions before we get into a whole discussion about the faults of ISKCON? I know the faults of ISKCON, much better than you. I don’t need some bhakta proud of his university degree telling me what ails ISKCON. I have a much longer and dedicated experience in ISKCON than you have.
I am sorry for this long ranting. I guess what I am trying to tell you, is why don’t you learn philosophy from some devotees before you try to understand what’s going on in ISKCON? In the mean time, while you are learning to see things from a philosphical perspective rather that being endlessly hung up on the specific manner in which people express themselves, continue with your nice service designing the Newsletter for the Gothenburg temple. That’s an impoertant service which you are obviously good at. I take it you are the same Bh. Mikael. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Comment Posted By Jahnudvip On 01.07.2006 @ 10:01