Comments Posted By Jan Ardan
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Hare Krishna Prabhu,
Thank you for your humility and contributions to this thread. I think preaching to scientists in their language is a bit different then using scientific data in support of our philosophy. There’s plenty of science in Srimad Bhagavatam. I agree that it would behoove devotees who do this type of preaching to be up to date on the data, but after all is said and done, it always comes back to Srimad Bhagavatam. Thank you. Hare Krsna!
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 17.07.2007 @ 19:30
Hare Krishna Prabhu,
I have to agree with Ajita Krishna Dasa. I think it would be better to use quotes in context with footnotes for authenticity/credibility. For instance, you use a quote from biologist Francis Hitching out of context and without a footnote. We can’t tell where it’s from. I could just as easily use a quote out of context from Francis Hitching’s that says “Evolution of life over a very long period of time is a fact…. the probability that evolution has occurred approaches certainty in scientific terms” (The neck of the Giraffe p.4). I think it would be better to provide the reader with proper references in order to validate your theory. You also seem to neglect that most of your references and quotes are from people or publications that do support evolution in some form or another.
Leaning heavily on quotes from scientists and creationists who obtain knowledge through a flawed process isn’t approved (as far as I know) by our Acarayas. It shows a lack of faith in Srimad Bhagavatam when we seek support from mundane science and their methods to debate darwinian evolution. I think what you’re trying to put forth is worthy, but maybe you should try relying more on scripture for your answers.
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 17.07.2007 @ 14:53
Devotees are often reminded that we should act according to varnasrama. However, I’ve not witnessed any comprehensive training in the area other then what is taught in Srila Prabhupada’s books. Srila Prabhupada had requested a varnasram college that I understand was to be headed up by H. H Hrdayananda Goswami. It was to be run by the male Brahmins of ISKCON who would be qualified to understand and teach varnasrama. It was to be available as a boarding school without any fee. What happened to this great vision?
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 22.03.2007 @ 17:29
I always wonder why people get disturbed by the statements of His Divine Grace concerning men landing on the moon. Does it cast doubt on the process given to transcend the misery of this material world? Personally, it doesn’t make a scintilla of a difference if man landed on the moon or not. I have the guarantee of His Divine Grace and Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, which is supported by scripture, and doesn’t need to be corroborated by NASA or by conspiracy experts.
harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha!!
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 14.12.2006 @ 20:11
Also, does anyone really know what being a Hindu means? It’s such a general term. Can it be applied to anyone who worships the principle Avatars?
We define ourselves as Gaudiya Vaisnavas, but for all intent and purposes, the general public views us as practicing some form of Hinduism. The term really has no meaning for us. If one inquires, attends our programs, reads Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, maybe they’ll see a difference. But really, this “we are not a Hindu movement” borders on bigotry.
Disassociating ourselves with sentimental worship for material gain is the essential meaning, and we should always adhere to that. That’s very obvious in Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. As long as the distribution of Srila Prabhpada’s books is the motive for temple programs, we shouldn’t worry about being called Hindus.
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 24.10.2006 @ 22:08
There’s a great morning walk transcript where Srila Prabhpada discusses the need to fight the British from prohibiting Ratha-yatra. In it, he advises that this stoppage should be seen as a prejudice against Hindus.
“Protest meeting must be there. How to organize? At least, a protest meeting should be done in such a way that the whole world may know that the British Government stopped the yearly Ratha-yatra ceremony of the Hindus. That should be organized. What can be done? You are not very strong GBC’s. There must be vehement protest meeting.”
“Protest meeting and the Indians should approach the Ambassador that, “Represent our case to the Queen that Hindus are being harassed.” This should be organized.”
“And why they are declaring Commonwealth and, British Commonwealth. So if it is governed by the police, how it is Commonwealth? There should be very strong agitation. And all the Hindus will join. So who will organize it?”
So it seems using the term Hindu wasn’t a hang up for His Divine Grace. Why is it for us?
Most people come to our temples thinking we are following a Hindu religion. So what? Unless there’s some siddhantic deviation, is there really a need to be so angered by being considered Hindu?
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 24.10.2006 @ 21:29
imho, it’s a matter of individual consciousness. i would tend to agree that male and female devotees shouldn’t indulged in hugging/embracing. however, when i see a mataji that i have known for some time, i feel a simple discreet hug isn’t inappropriate in a manner similar to an exchange between family members.
on the other hand, paying obeisances is also very satisfying and uplifting as a sign of endearment and respect.
in general, i believe devotees shouldn’t feel inhibited showing affection towards each other, as long as the affection reflects our appreciation for their service and devotion.
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 31.08.2006 @ 17:58
How is it possible to state something as axiomatic with proof based on scientific data? Even if one poseses a cache of scientific data, the understanding of that data is subjective, open for debate and tested. Take for instance Hari Sauri Prabhu’s example. He produces scientific data that supports the study of oxytocin in women. That women produce oxytocin, and that it causes certain behavior is definatley supported with data. However, the affect it has on general intelligence isn’t axiomatic, and is not indicated in the given references. It may be that this is Hari Sauri Prabhu’s logical assumption based on his understanding of the scientific data and scripture. That’s perfectly fine as long as he’s not caliming it to be anything but that. Using scientific examples to point out the difference between the male and female brain/body can be useful in certain preaching situations and farily self evident. But to use scienctific theory in support of an axiomatic truth, contradicts its potency as axiomatic.
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 11.08.2006 @ 22:28
This conversation between Prabhus Badrinarayan das and Satyaraja das is confusing. Allegations from Badrinarayan without much detail. Vague explanations of the hinted at allegations from Satyaraj. It’s a microcosm of this whole case.
Malati Prabhu recently made a simple request. She was criticized in some posts, but her request really brings home the point. What really happened?
Dhanurdhara Swami, as far as I’ve read, has never come out and said “yes, I violently beat the children.” Some of the victims say “yes, he beat us violently.” Will this question ever resolve? The only “case file” devotees can read is on Dhanurdhara Swami’s website (it’s really a dateline of events and his thoughts, not the official case file) doesn’t give any detail on that particular matter other then his admitting to many mistakes. Is he guilty of physical abuse to the extent of which he is accused? After reading “Dhanurdhara Swamiâs Response to the ISKCON Child Protection Officeâs Case.” The answer, as far as he is concerned, seems to be no. As long as this disagreement continues, there will never be closure.
It would be helpful for us that respect and have faith in Dhanurdhara Swami to hear him (in a public forum) defend himself against the specific claims of violent abuse. To me, it goes beyond admitting mistakes and administering corporal punishment.
Personally, I have only known Maharaja for 10 years. In that time, I have never witnessed the personality that has been described by the victims or Badrinarayan Prabhu. However, I cannot discount the accusations based on the fact that so many have made the claim (and my own cynical nature). It’s still rather confusing.
Regardless of how he was treated by the GBC, or the CPO decision, or the rumor mill. The discrepancies between what Dhanurdhara Swami admits, and what some students of Vrndavana Gurukula accuse, needs to be resolved.
Comment Posted By Jan Ardan On 21.07.2006 @ 18:09