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How to address a woman?

I agree with Puskaraksa there was a decidedly uncomfortable competitive spirit in this text that mothers are more important than fathers etc. That is exactly what the secular world is telling us, that fathers are not important only mothers hence we now have a serious problem in the west of single parent families where the father is absent leading to a myriad of problems and the break down of society. Who needs fathers, after all mother is 1000 times more important than father. Is this what we really want to tell devotees?

This was not a balanced article.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Aug 8, 2014 @ 4:39 am

Husband As Guru – How About Srila Prabhupada As Guru?

Mahatma Prabhu said “don’t make unreasonable demands of your wife.” But to an unsubmisive wife any request from her husband is unreasonable.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Jun 5, 2014 @ 3:53 am

The Not-So-Hot Issue: Women Diksa-gurus

The following article http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087 by Dusyanta Prabhu is an excellent response to your book and position in general. Dusyanta writes:

… So just to show one example of the misrepresentation of the download [“Did Srila Prabhupada want Women Diksa Gurus”] there is a quote from the Chaitanya Charitamrta 1.34;

Read the whole article http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 26, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

She states that “the female nature is more emotional” and that “this emotional nature can also become an impediment and obstacle, especially since emotions tend to cloudy our vision and intelligence to such extend that we cannot see things as they really are.”

And therefore I – and perhaps other readers of both genders – find myself scratching my head and asking myself: “If according to Devaki Mataji this is a hot issue and if women’s vision is clouded by emotions and ‘they cannot see things as they really are,’ why on earth she attempted to write this article and provide clarity? If she is clouded, why does she try to instruct the whole world?”

If what she writes is right, this article must be “clouded by emotions” and therefore unfit for consumption by the assembly of Vaisnavas.

I have a family friend. All members of that family are devotees including the parents. They come from a cultured Indian family. So one day after her daughters had gotten married there was one unmarried son who was also a devotee.The mother came to her son and with great love and compassion began to explain the part in the Srimad Bhagavatam where Urvashi instructed Pururava SB 9.14.36 that “you should know that the heart of a woman is like that of a fox. There is no use making friendship with women.” She then said,”what Urvasi said is true,therefore my son, please don’t get married.”

The son was stunned. Here was his mother who was also a female revealing the deep realities of life to him by confirming the statement in the sastras. Out of love she wanted to protect him and help him in his spiritual life so she told him the truth and it shattered any illusion he had about material happiness. He believed his mother because what she said was based on the sastra and never married. He is now a respected sannyasi in ISKCON.

But if Kaunteya had been the son he would have thought “well my mother is also a woman so she also has a heart like a fox so why I should I believe her, let me get married.”

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 21, 2013 @ 5:49 pm

The Hot Issue – Female Diksa Guru

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

In a situation where a guru has been giving siksa and personal guidance for many years–even a decade–to a particular disciple, where there is a firm relationship of guru/disciple, where the disciple has been worshiping and studying from and serving his or her siksa guru for many years–why is it better for that disciple to take diksa from someone else, only because the siksa guru is female? (And often the “someone else” has little or no relationship or personal knowledge of the disciple).

Your servant, Urmila devi dasi

Why so much concern? I know several devotees who have little or no relationship with their diksha guru but rather consider other god brothers of their diksha guru as their shiksha gurus and completely ignore their diksa guru except in a perfunctory way. They show all respect and courtesy to the diksha guru but do not ask for any guidance.

So if the light from the female shiksha is so bright then who will stop people from taking their shiksa?

It seems that material concepts have become entangled with spiritual concepts that somehow it is more materially prestigious to be a “diksha guru” how sad. It shows attachment to material prestige and actual disqualification to give shiksha what to speak of diksha. Back in the 1990s we used to call this condition “DADS” – Dreaded Acarya Disease Syndrome.

Some one who is so driven and attached to being a guru is the last person who should be a guru.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 21, 2013 @ 5:15 pm

Regarding comment #1 Devaki Mataji, completely substantiated her position when she quoted from sastra that even in the higher spiritual realms there is distinction between the sexes and that the male understanding is superior. When SP said the girls were just as good at preaching that in now way contradicted his statement in the Srimad Bhagavatam, it just shows that everything else being equal the realization of the male will be higher. Or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada was mistaken in the purport that Devaki quoted? A purport based on the commentaries of several acarayas who were off the bodily concept of life.

And I have experience that also confirms what Devaki said. Here in Mayapura the mataji wanted to give class, so they arranged that the ladies give separate class to ladies. That lasted for a while as the ladies lost interest in listening to women give class but preferred to hear men give class and even the matajis who gave classes preferred to hear the men. But at one women’s convention in Radhadesha the women passed a resolution that they be allowed to give classes to both men and women and the men be forced to stay and listen to the women give class even if the men didn’t want to. Something is very strange with this type of mentality.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 21, 2013 @ 5:02 pm

This is a good article but I think that the penultimate paragraph was over the top and contradicted the quoted purport from the Srimad Bhagavatam. Aside from that I agree.

If a woman is actually enlightened you will not be able to stop people from seeking her light. Not that she needs some formal title. To me it appears that this push for Female Diksha Gurus is not coming from the spiritual plane.

So many devotees are strongly preaching without the need for being diksha gurus. I recently read the current SAC paper on FDG and was disappointed by the claim that one can only preach if one is a diksha guru. This is surely an insult to all those sincere preachers out there who are pushing on Lord Caitanya’s movement and who have no interest in being diksha gurus.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 21, 2013 @ 7:50 am

The Secrets And Beauty Of Spiritual Culture

Since this comment thread has been used to promote Kaunteya’s book the reader might do well to read critiques of that book such as the recent one by Dusyanta prabhu at http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Nov 26, 2013 @ 5:27 pm

Women’s Spiritual Nature

“Accepting her husband as the representative of the Supreme Person, a wife should worship him with unalloyed devotion by offering him prasada. The husband, being very pleased with his wife, should engage himself in the affairs of his family.”

Srimad Bhagavatam 6.19.17

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Oct 9, 2013 @ 6:59 pm

On the Subject of Female Diksha Gurus

My dear Mother Phalini Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to you.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this wonderful text full of deep realizations and coming straight from the heart, you must be directly inspired by paramatma.

While the men who are commenting on this text argue about points of sastra and logic, the women in my ladies sangha all agreed with what you wrote because of our direct experience of what it means to have a female form. Many of us have experience of what happens when we go against our nature (dharma) and try to be like men. We lose our femininity that is so pleasing to Lord Krsna, and we don’t do a good a job of being a man either. So it is a lose-lose situation.

May Srimati Radharani and Her beloved Lord Krsna bless you with many more years so that you will inspire us with more of your writings and hopefully personal association.

Your humble servant
MMdd

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 17, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

My dear Mother Phalini Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to you.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this wonderful text full of deep realizations and coming straight from the heart, you must be directly inspired by paramatma.

While the men who are commenting on this text argue about points of sastra and logic, the women in my ladies sangha all agreed with what you wrote because of our direct experience of what it means to have a female form. Many of us have experience of what happens when we go against our nature (dharma) and try to be like men. We lose our femininity that is so pleasing to Lord Krsna, and we don’t do a good a job of being a man either. So it is a lose-lose situation.

May Srimati Radharani and Her beloved Lord Krsna bless you with many more years so that you will inspire us with more of your writings and hopefully personal association.

Your humble servant
Mohana Mohini devi dasi

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 11, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

The Woman as Guru: Words of Silence

Re #11

Dear Sita Rama Prabhu,

Hare Krsna. I am too obtuse and not understanding what you are trying to get at. Could please explain more clearly.

MMdd

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 3, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

Abhaya Mudra mataji wrote:

Dhruva Maharaja lived in Satya Yuga or the Golden Age. The difference between Satya Yuga and Kali Yuga is like the summer and winter seasons. During Satya Yuga all good qualities of human beings were inevitably present whereas in Kali Yuga hardly any good qualities decorate humankind. In Satya Yuga the people practically equaled paramahamsas while now in the Iron Age practically everyone has become a mleccha.

I fail to see your logic here. Most of the Bhagavatam contains episodes from yugas other than Kali so does that mean that we should jettison 3/4 of the Bhagavatam? Where does any acarya say that because it took place in Satya yuga it should not be followed in Kali yuga. It looks to me that you are trying to warp the teachings to fit your own bias.

Another thing, in Satya yuga women were paramahamsa in comparison to kali yuga, so if they could not be diksha guru then, how then in a much more degraded kali yuga they can now become diksha guru when they have degraded. This makes absolutely no sense at all. According to you the more degraded the better suited a person is to taking up higher positions.

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 2, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

Female Diksha Gurus – “Yes. But, Not So Many.” Sp

In #1 Kesava Krsna wrote:

“I think it is incorrect to say that only the “extreme” factions oppose lady guruship. That is a generalisation. I have written in defence of women devotees against ‘conservative’ views, but I need to be convinced that there is a compelling case for lady guruship. I do not consider myself to be a ‘conservative’ the way it is depicted in this article.

Whenever Srila Prabhupada cited historical examples, we usually see only one unique and outstanding name mentioned – that of Sri Jahnava Mata. This is rare indeed.

The problem now is weighing Her example up in the modern era. Just as we can cite Her rarity, we can also cite the relative frequency of male gurus. The pressing issue here is why the urge to push for a position of guruship, whether pursued by males or females? Is there competitiveness in wanting to emulate what males already do?

Are there any records of Sri Jahnava Mata being granted guruship because she petitioned for it? That question alone would be an insult if applied to Her. Her greatness and all allied divine qualities earned Her that position, though She would not have sought it Herself. She was recognised as ‘self-effulgent.’ Hers is a “hard act to follow” so to speak. She was an exception, not the rule.

Thank you very much for your wise words. Indeed it is not an extremist position but a sane position held by many in ISKCON. If male gurus fell down in the past then it just shows that there is a need to be more selective as to which man fill that post. Actually I think that it was because they took sannyasa in an era in ISKCON when sannyasa candidates weren’t vetted like they are today. Very few if any sannyasis who were carefully vetted have fallen down. So as the old generation of sannyasis dies off you we will have much fewer fall downs and then there will be nothing to point fingers at.

Women can also make major blunders just like the 1st woman head of the 25 million strong German Lutheran Church, Bishop Margot Kaessmann, was arrested after she ran a red light while intoxicated and 3X over the legal limit. You can read about it here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8530736.stm

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 2, 2012 @ 5:06 pm

Ajamila said:

“In your part 1 reply you imply that no women in ISKCON are up to the standard of Sri Jahnava Mata. But who is qualified to judge that? What about Yamuna Devi Dasi? Srila Prabhupada said speficially that all his sons and daughters are not ordinary but you imply his daughters are ordinary. That’s unfair.

Jahnava mata was an incarnation of Anangamanjari, the younger sister of Srimati Radharani, she was in the category of Laxsmi tattva and married to a purusha Who was in category of Visnutattva–she could manifest four arms. Are you saying that Yamuna Mataji was in Laxsmitattva and could manifest four arms? Are you seriously saying that anyone male or female in ISKCON is on this level? Let us be serious here.

Please state categorically if you think that Yamuna dd was Laxsmitattva.

Aside from that Yamuna dd is not one of the persons who is ambitiously campaigning to be a diksha guru. So why bring her up at all?

You say “who is qualified to judge that?” only someone who can tell if she has four arms. So better to be on the safe side and not do something we will regret later when we become sober. If you can’t tell what the qualification is of a person then you should not be promoting something that requires that the lady actually be an exception. As someone else wrote: “Exceptions to the rule must be exceptional.” And those exceptions should be obvious to everyone. It seems to me and a lot of others here that what is happening is that unexceptional ladies are being pushed forward and equated by you as equivalent to mother Jahnava–Laxsmi-tattva. And if someone complains that they are not exceptional according to strict definition you then retort “But are you qualified to judge?” There is something decidedly wrong with this way of doing things.

This makes for a very fearful situation in ISKCON.

MMdd

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Dec 2, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

Respecting Our Women In Iskcon

I am a little late to this party, I avoided reading the article because as other commentators mentioned it was just another futile walk down the path of the “culture wars” which makes maya smile while we grab the iron like stalks of grass like the Yadus did and club each other to death with offenses.

On reading the comments I found #28 by Mother Narada Priya to be the most stinging because it woke me up with its painful and brutal honesty. Note that I didn’t call it offensive. It was just the bald face truth.

BBD texts were entertaining excursions into fantasy. By studying a few pictures he sets out to disprove all of the sastra. We note that none of the pictures he linked to showed any higher class Vedic families as none of the men are wearing brahmana threads. His conclusions based on how labourers and low class people lived and projecting that onto the whole of society would be like making conclusions about the dress codes of Western society based on pictures of the sartorial tastes of the Hell’s Angels http://tinyurl.com/b64cay7 or Goths http://tinyurl.com/a8uoy28

When Draupadi was first introduced to Narada Muni she is said to have been very modestly dressed and wearing a veil across her face. In the Iliad it is said that when Andromache, wife of Hector, heard that her husband had been killed she fainted and the veil fell off her face. Respectable Roman women covered their heads. Ancient Chinese women also wore very modest clothes

http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/15T1735T3390.html

This was well before the rise of Islam. Cultured Japanese ladies were also modestly dressed http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/omori/court/court.html

Returning to Vedic culture we rely not on BBD faulty vision but on the revalations of the sastras and our acaryas. Rupa and Sanatana gosvami personaly saw how Radha and Krsna and their associates dressed. So did Srila Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati thakura. I have faith in their descriptions of how the denizens of the spiritual world dressed. As well as followers of Vedic culture. When BSST visited South India he pointed out to his disciples that the way the men and women of the higher classes dressed was the traditional Vedic style. Thus BST’s opinion is exactly opposite to that of BBD. So who do I choose to put my faith in BSST a self realized soul who has direct access to Lord Krsna, or to BBD who is a conditioned soul?

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Jan 9, 2013 @ 4:35 am

OPEN LETTER TO Bhakti Vikasa Swami

I also took the time to listen very closely to BVKS’s talk and I agree with what Bhakta Dasa wrote in comment #28
http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9969#comment-15065

We need to distinguish between actual Bhakti and sentimentality.

SENTIMENTALITY IS NOT BHAKTI:

“So Bhagavata begins with this word of Vedanta-sutra, janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas ca arthesu abhijnah svarat. So it is the, in the beginning, Srimad-Bhagavatam is the explanation of the Vedanta-sutra. Srila Jiva Gosvami has recommended, therefore, one should learn Bhagavatam from a person who knows Vedanta-sutra. Sruti-grhitaya, bhaktya sruti-grhitaya. Bhakti should be generated, sruti-grhitaya, by studying Vedanta-sutra. Bhakti is not sentiment. Bhakti is the transcendental science.” Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.1 – Mayapura, June 16, 1973

“Seva mean there is a sevaka and there is a master, sevya, one who is worshiped and one who serves. Then the process is called bhakti. Here it is also said, bhaktya. What kind of bhakti? Bhaktya sruta-grhitaya. Sruta, by hearing sruti, or Vedas. Completely on the basis of Vedic knowledge, that bhakti, not sentimental. Sentimental bhakti is also there, because the acceptance of Krsna is there. Therefore there is some value. But real bhakti, Sri Jiva Gosvami has commented that bhakti based on understanding of Vedanta-sutra is perfect, on the basis of jnana, knowledge, and vairagya. That is… And Krsna has also said, brahma-sutra-padais caiva hetumadbhir viniscitaih [Bg. 13.5]. Brahma-sutra means Vedanta-sutra.” Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.12 – Delhi, November 18, 1973

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Oct 21, 2011 @ 7:02 am

Live From Sri Mayapur Candrodaya Mandir! HG Urmila Mataji

In 331 Urmila Mataji wrote:

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu broadcast the purpose of Srimad-Bhagavatam. He sometimes spoke for the benefit of His devotees and sometimes empowered one of His devotees to speak while He listened.

PURPORT: Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as an ideal teacher, or acarya, explained Srimad-Bhagavatam very elaborately Himself. He sometimes also empowered His devotees to speak while He listened. This is the way an acarya should train his disciples. Not only should he describe the Bhagavata cult personally, but he should also train his disciples to speak on this sublime subject.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 25.267

Dear Mataji,

Hari Bol.

Could you explain the meaning of what you are trying to say in this text. It really seems unrelated to the whole comment thread.

yhs
MMdd

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Jul 15, 2011 @ 7:13 am

Dear Kulapavana Prabhu,

Hare Krsna.

Maybe this conversation quote with Srila Pabhupada will help you to understand. In it Srila Prabhupada explains that when a woman becomes a wife of a brahmana she is designated as a brahmani but she is not actually a brahmana. But because she is the wife of a brahmana only she is called a brahmani, it is only a social convention and sign of respect and indicates she is in the family of a brahmana.

Yhs
MMdd

“Prabhupada: In, actually, in Bengal, Bengal has lost its original culture. In other provinces the brahmana class, they are keeping very strictly the original culture. Even a brahmana would not accept foodstuff prepared by his wife, because woman is considered sudra. The woman, when she becomes the wife of a brahmana, then she is called brahmani, but she’s not offered brahminical culture. She remains as sudra. So therefore a strict brahmana does not accept foodstuff prepared by his wife. Still there are in U.P. The wife will arrange for cooking, and he’ll sit down and cook dal, capatis. Then he will eat, and whatever remains, that is there, that will be taken by her. But he will not take foodstuff cooked by his wife even.” Room Conversation–August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Jul 13, 2011 @ 12:10 am

Dear Sita Mataji,

Hare Krsna.

I just wanted to thank you for your efforts on behalf of all the women who actually want to follow true Krsna Consciousness and not the watered down Westernized version. It is very hard to give up our material conditioning so it is disheartening to see others who encourage us to be more conditioned than we already are. My friends and I have been following this discussion and are really inspired by your writing and feel that you must be getting realizations from Paramatma and Srila Prabhupada to write so nicely. Please know that you have many matajis who support you so please keep up what you are doing. May Srimati Radharani, the personification of chastity, give you all Her blessings.

Yhs
Mohana Mohini dd

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On Jul 4, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

Amarshah said in #139 http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9349#comment-14184

I will like to ask some question to all opposing her here. When you call some one Mataji do you not consider her mataji? Mataji = Mother, it is absolutely pervert to see sexual bias when you consider her as mother. I learnt basics of my life from my mother and then higher understanding through Mother Urmila, I wonder what level people want here to seat some one on Vyasasana more then mother.

To answer this Maharaja Yayati said:

matra svasra duhitra va
naviviktasano bhavet
balavan indriya-gramo
vidvamsam api karsati

“One should not allow oneself to sit on the same seat even with one’s own mother, sister or daughter, for the senses are so strong that even though one is very advanced in knowledge, he may be attracted by sex.”

Srimad Bhagavatam 9.19.17

» Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On May 17, 2011 @ 2:02 pm

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