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The Not-So-Hot Issue: Women Diksa-gurus

The following article http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087 by Dusyanta Prabhu is an excellent response to your book and position in general. Dusyanta writes:

… So just to show one example of the misrepresentation of the download [“Did Srila Prabhupada want Women Diksa Gurus”] there is a quote from the Chaitanya Charitamrta 1.34;

Read the whole article http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 26.11.2013 @ 17:16

She states that “the female nature is more emotional” and that “this emotional nature can also become an impediment and obstacle, especially since emotions tend to cloudy our vision and intelligence to such extend that we cannot see things as they really are.”

And therefore I – and perhaps other readers of both genders – find myself scratching my head and asking myself: “If according to Devaki Mataji this is a hot issue and if women’s vision is clouded by emotions and ‘they cannot see things as they really are,’ why on earth she attempted to write this article and provide clarity? If she is clouded, why does she try to instruct the whole world?”

If what she writes is right, this article must be “clouded by emotions” and therefore unfit for consumption by the assembly of Vaisnavas.

I have a family friend. All members of that family are devotees including the parents. They come from a cultured Indian family. So one day after her daughters had gotten married there was one unmarried son who was also a devotee.The mother came to her son and with great love and compassion began to explain the part in the Srimad Bhagavatam where Urvashi instructed Pururava SB 9.14.36 that “you should know that the heart of a woman is like that of a fox. There is no use making friendship with women.” She then said,”what Urvasi said is true,therefore my son, please don’t get married.”

The son was stunned. Here was his mother who was also a female revealing the deep realities of life to him by confirming the statement in the sastras. Out of love she wanted to protect him and help him in his spiritual life so she told him the truth and it shattered any illusion he had about material happiness. He believed his mother because what she said was based on the sastra and never married. He is now a respected sannyasi in ISKCON.

But if Kaunteya had been the son he would have thought “well my mother is also a woman so she also has a heart like a fox so why I should I believe her, let me get married.”

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 21.11.2013 @ 17:49

The Hot Issue - Female Diksa Guru

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

In a situation where a guru has been giving siksa and personal guidance for many years–even a decade–to a particular disciple, where there is a firm relationship of guru/disciple, where the disciple has been worshiping and studying from and serving his or her siksa guru for many years–why is it better for that disciple to take diksa from someone else, only because the siksa guru is female? (And often the “someone else” has little or no relationship or personal knowledge of the disciple).

Your servant, Urmila devi dasi

Why so much concern? I know several devotees who have little or no relationship with their diksha guru but rather consider other god brothers of their diksha guru as their shiksha gurus and completely ignore their diksa guru except in a perfunctory way. They show all respect and courtesy to the diksha guru but do not ask for any guidance.

So if the light from the female shiksha is so bright then who will stop people from taking their shiksa?

It seems that material concepts have become entangled with spiritual concepts that somehow it is more materially prestigious to be a “diksha guru” how sad. It shows attachment to material prestige and actual disqualification to give shiksha what to speak of diksha. Back in the 1990s we used to call this condition “DADS” - Dreaded Acarya Disease Syndrome.

Some one who is so driven and attached to being a guru is the last person who should be a guru.

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 21.11.2013 @ 17:15

Regarding comment #1 Devaki Mataji, completely substantiated her position when she quoted from sastra that even in the higher spiritual realms there is distinction between the sexes and that the male understanding is superior. When SP said the girls were just as good at preaching that in now way contradicted his statement in the Srimad Bhagavatam, it just shows that everything else being equal the realization of the male will be higher. Or are you saying that Srila Prabhupada was mistaken in the purport that Devaki quoted? A purport based on the commentaries of several acarayas who were off the bodily concept of life.

And I have experience that also confirms what Devaki said. Here in Mayapura the mataji wanted to give class, so they arranged that the ladies give separate class to ladies. That lasted for a while as the ladies lost interest in listening to women give class but preferred to hear men give class and even the matajis who gave classes preferred to hear the men. But at one women’s convention in Radhadesha the women passed a resolution that they be allowed to give classes to both men and women and the men be forced to stay and listen to the women give class even if the men didn’t want to. Something is very strange with this type of mentality.

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 21.11.2013 @ 17:02

This is a good article but I think that the penultimate paragraph was over the top and contradicted the quoted purport from the Srimad Bhagavatam. Aside from that I agree.

If a woman is actually enlightened you will not be able to stop people from seeking her light. Not that she needs some formal title. To me it appears that this push for Female Diksha Gurus is not coming from the spiritual plane.

So many devotees are strongly preaching without the need for being diksha gurus. I recently read the current SAC paper on FDG and was disappointed by the claim that one can only preach if one is a diksha guru. This is surely an insult to all those sincere preachers out there who are pushing on Lord Caitanya’s movement and who have no interest in being diksha gurus.

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 21.11.2013 @ 07:50

The Secrets And Beauty Of Spiritual Culture

Since this comment thread has been used to promote Kaunteya’s book the reader might do well to read critiques of that book such as the recent one by Dusyanta prabhu at http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12087

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 26.11.2013 @ 17:27

Women’s Spiritual Nature

“Accepting her husband as the representative of the Supreme Person, a wife should worship him with unalloyed devotion by offering him prasada. The husband, being very pleased with his wife, should engage himself in the affairs of his family.”

Srimad Bhagavatam 6.19.17

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 09.10.2013 @ 18:59

On the Subject of Female Diksha Gurus

My dear Mother Phalini Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to you.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this wonderful text full of deep realizations and coming straight from the heart, you must be directly inspired by paramatma.

While the men who are commenting on this text argue about points of sastra and logic, the women in my ladies sangha all agreed with what you wrote because of our direct experience of what it means to have a female form. Many of us have experience of what happens when we go against our nature (dharma) and try to be like men. We lose our femininity that is so pleasing to Lord Krsna, and we don’t do a good a job of being a man either. So it is a lose-lose situation.

May Srimati Radharani and Her beloved Lord Krsna bless you with many more years so that you will inspire us with more of your writings and hopefully personal association.

Your humble servant
MMdd

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 17.12.2012 @ 14:27

My dear Mother Phalini Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to you.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this wonderful text full of deep realizations and coming straight from the heart, you must be directly inspired by paramatma.

While the men who are commenting on this text argue about points of sastra and logic, the women in my ladies sangha all agreed with what you wrote because of our direct experience of what it means to have a female form. Many of us have experience of what happens when we go against our nature (dharma) and try to be like men. We lose our femininity that is so pleasing to Lord Krsna, and we don’t do a good a job of being a man either. So it is a lose-lose situation.

May Srimati Radharani and Her beloved Lord Krsna bless you with many more years so that you will inspire us with more of your writings and hopefully personal association.

Your humble servant
Mohana Mohini devi dasi

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 11.12.2012 @ 21:20

The Woman as Guru: Words of Silence

Re #11

Dear Sita Rama Prabhu,

Hare Krsna. I am too obtuse and not understanding what you are trying to get at. Could please explain more clearly.

MMdd

Comment Posted By Mohana Mohini dd On 03.12.2012 @ 19:19


 


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