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Why Veganism does not work in Iskcon

naham tathadmi yajamana-havir vitane
scyotad-ghrta-plutam adan huta-bhun-mukhena
yad brahmanasya mukhatas carato ‘nughasam
tustasya mayy avahitair nija-karma-pakaih

SYNONYMS
na — not; aham — I; tatha — on the other hand; admi — I eat; yajamana — by the sacrificer; havih — the oblations; vitane — in the sacrificial fire; scyotat — pouring; ghrta — ghee; plutam — mixed; adan — eating; huta-bhuk — the sacrificial fire; mukhena — by the mouth; yat — as; brahmanasya — of the brahmana; mukhatah — from the mouth; caratah — acting; anughasam — morsels; tustasya — satisfied; mayi — to Me; avahitaih — offered; nija — own; karma — activities; pakaih — by the results.

TRANSLATION
I do not enjoy the oblations offered by the sacrificers in the sacrificial fire, which is one of My own mouths, with the same relish as I do the delicacies overflowing with ghee which are offered to the mouths of the brahmanas who have dedicated to Me the results of their activities and who are ever satisfied with My prasada.

The devotee of the Lord, or the Vaisnava, does not take anything without offering it to the Lord. Since a Vaisnava dedicates all the results of his activities to the Lord, he does not taste anything eatable which is not first offered to Him. The Lord also relishes giving to the Vaisnava’s mouth all eatables offered to Him. It is clear from this verse that the Lord eats through the sacrificial fire and the brahmana’s mouth. So many articles — grains, ghee, etc. — are offered in sacrifice for the satisfaction of the Lord.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 3.16.8

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One who loves Krsna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked. Thus meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krsna. If He desired such things as offerings, He would have said so. Instead He clearly requests that a leaf, fruit, flowers and water be given to Him, and He says of this offering, “I will accept it.” Therefore, we should understand that He will not accept meat, fish and eggs. Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krsna Himself.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bg 9.26

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 15.03.2013 @ 17:08

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Veganism is simply another ‘ism’ concoction. This idea of introducing all these new fangled ideas among devotees is a disease. Why don’t we just follow the system instead of introducing all these smart ideas. This is what happens when we stop reading SP’s books and give priority to karmi books. This is also what happens when we start to take association of non-devotees (rather than giving association). Srila Prabhupada wanted us to take milk as it is very important for good health and intelligence.

…if you want to have good brain, then you have to take milk. If you don’t want to remain dull, then you have to take milk.
[Srila Prabhupada, Conversation - September 23, 1971, Nairobi]

So we should offer the milk to Krishna and take it as His divine remnants. Who says so? His dear devotee and Senapati Preacher; Srila Prabhupada (krsna sakti vina nahe tare pravartan). He also took milk wherever he went. So are we know smarter than our founder acarya? Thats factually what is implied when an ISKCON devotee decides to become a Vegan. If you think he is wrong, then you are wrong. In other words we are in maya for trying to correct the Guru.

According to the Visnu Purana and more importantly, according to Srila Prabhupada, whoever isn’t a devotee is a demon, fullstop. Vegan or non-vegan. Its black and white. There is no grey area.

Simply by blinking we kill so many living entities, by breathing we kill living entities, so what about saving them? What about not wearing anymore clothes from the west as they are mostly stitched by exploited workers in the developing countries. In this way Veganism is not a complete way of solving problems of life but Krishna consciousness is.

In reality it is just another avenue for subtle sense gratification and trap for devotees whereby one cheats himself into thinking that ‘ I am so charitable and merciful and I am doing a good deed’. It is just another way that one lords over nature by thinking that ‘I’ am the controller and maintainer and ‘I’ decide like this.

Of course if Vegans come to our temples we can entertain their nonsense a little to gradually bring them to Krishna and needn’t tell them all this immediately. But devotees should understand the position clearly. And we should eventually tell them all these points for their benefit.

Your servant,

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 10.03.2013 @ 09:46

On the Subject of Female Diksha Gurus

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

These are finally some words of wisdom. Quite simply put; ISKCON needs to start fulfilling the desire of the founder acarya, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and ESTABLISH SOCIETIES BASED ON VARNASHASHRAMA . This cannot be done suddenly but we should work towards it.

So many devotees claim to be followers of of Srila Prabhupada or ISKCON and yet this instruction has been totally blacked out from our long or medium term goal as a society and even from lectures. We are not pure devotees and so we cannot ignore bodily designations. A man, brahmacari, brahmin, vaisya, woman etc everyone needs to follow their own prescribed duties.

For a balanced society a well balanced family unit is important. Woman are required to perform duties which only they can do properly such as child birth, inculcating good spiritual and moral values to children at a young age, seeing that the atmosphere at home is balanced and conducive to spiritual practice for the whole family by proper and timely prasadam, clean environment etc. These are not easy tasks and require training mostly from an early age. This is missing in a very big way in ISKCON, although to a lesser degree in India where the cultural background has saved the situation.

Today western society (and increasingly other societies now also) is experiencing moral decadence with Teenage pregnancies (out of marriage), incest, higher than 50% divorce rate, suicides and disillusionment among the youth, crime etc all due to the broken family unit. There are some things you can only learn at home and only from a qualified mother which will affect the rest of your life.

If women are now also made into diksha gurus who will carry out those roles in society meant for them? We are not saying that women are not advanced or can’t do these duties. We are just saying that everyone has a different role to play to make society whole and complete. This is a crucial point in ISKCON’s history. We have to make decisions that will create stable and nurturing society otherwise what will we preach to the materialists?

Your servant

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 06.12.2012 @ 15:58

Female Diksha Gurus - "Yes. But, Not So Many." Sp

PART III of III

Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja’s diksa-guru.
(SB 4.12.32)

Your servant

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 02.12.2012 @ 06:56

PART II of III

Well informed and thought out opinions based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and his (SP’s) desire for developing VAD.
The various opinions and views expressed by many different devotees should not be lumped together as simply abusive extremist personalities. I think one of the main articles you are referring to is the one titled Gurudevis and Grandmothers by HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami. This article was written very logically and not in any way abusive to Women. Maharaja actually begins the article by stating that

“Undoubtedly, several senior women devotees in our movement are as learned, dedicated, and in other ways spiritually qualified as many of their godbrothers.”

So these are not extremist but in fact realistic and based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and books. I challenge you to find any part of that article which is not from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.

Sad Mentality?
You wrote

But unfortunately there is a small group of devotees determined to totally restrict all women to Stree Dharma only, to not let any women who are qualified participate in any other services which they want to be reserved exclusively for men even though in some instances a woman might be many times more qualified. This is a sad mentality indeed.

Again you said ‘small’. Perhaps we should start an online petition so that you can see how small a group we are. In reply to the comment above I will say that this is not our opinion it is the opinion of His Divine Grace. Srila Prabhupada stressed many times that the best way for a woman to be happy and for society to be in perfect functioning order, women should be protected and not left to be independent. This is because as a class they are easily misled and taken advantage of by unscrupulous men. We have seen this so many times even within our ISKCON. In fact Srila Prabhupada said in an interview that most men who were fighting for women’s ‘liberation’ were lusty men who wanted to lure them out of their protective situations so that they could enjoy them.

The quotes by Srila Prabhupada about Women bodied Gurus should be taken in context based on all his other quotes regarding women’s roles. Also there is a big difference between a very rare case of accepting a woman bodied spiritual leader and INSTITUTING the same. Actually instituting this is a very big step which will be unprecedented in the whole history of the sampradaya.

CONTINUED>>>

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 28.11.2012 @ 08:26

PART I of III

Dear Ajamila Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

It is good that this matter is now coming out in the open for discussion so members of ISKCON can have an idea of these FDG resolutions which were discussed and passed with no knowledge of the general mass of devotees.

Small Group?
Firstly although it is definitely what some people would wish, this is not a small group. There are ALOT of devotees in ISKCON who feel that this is a step in the wrong direction. It’s just that not all of them will be writing about it or discussing it online. For example majority of devotees in India and Russia who make up an extremely large bloc in ISKCON don’t know English and so won’t be writing or reading articles on Dandavats. What is their opinion? In my opinion in India (the land of culture, religion and civilization according to Srila Prabhupada), they wouldn’t be too happy about it. One supporting fact about this claim is the message that the RGB of India passed to the GBC about this stating their opposition to FDG. Again we cannot just ignore their opinion as they represent the largest bloc of devotees in the ISKCON.

Only GHQ members opposing FDG ?
I don’t know what GHQ is but all I will say is that there is a big cross section of persons opposed to this idea. Practically anyone who is regularly reading Srila Prabhupada’s books and assimilated his true mood and message would be quite taken aback by this proposal. Srila Prabhupada time and again wrote so much about how a woman should be protected and not be independent. Granted that perhaps we are not at the stage to follow all these practices now, but to endeavour to institutionalize FDG means going against the whole teaching of how Srila Prabhupada wanted to model the human society. Actually for quite some time now there have been exchanges between you and a WOMAN bodied devotee who OPPOSES this idea on an online forum. Also on various other forums up until yesterday I have seen postings by women bodied devotees who are staunchly against this idea. I don’t think they are in this ‘GHQ’. So as I said although some people would wish it, this is NOT A SMALL GROUP of people who oppose FDG.
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Comment Posted By Murari Das On 28.11.2012 @ 08:13

World Food Day - How about a new perspective?

Thank you for the suggestion Prabhu. However, I think you are misquoting me and this is not fair as you are turning the attention away from the whole point of the posting.

I didn’t say we should stop Prasadam distribution, as doing so would actually be a deviation of our duty. I recall a quote of Srila Prabhupada where he mentions one of the aims of ISKCON is to distribute Prasadam as widely as possible. However we shouldn’t just go to poor people and disaster zones. That is what I said we should stop. It should be distributed profusely to all people regardless of rich or poor because all people are poor (spiritually). Why? because this is the result of Yajna and one who takes the remnants are liberated from sinful reactions (BG 3.13). Everyone require to advance spiritually, not just the poor.

This is mentioned in the Conclusion of the write-up above. I will put it again here with emphasis on the relevant points:

Yes Srila Prabhupada wanted prasadam to be distributed profusely and that should be done, to everyone, not specifically to the poor.

So far prasada distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor. That will be Karma Kanda. Our program therefore is that we offer prasada to everyone. Make our temple so nice that everyone who comes is offered some prasadam. Not that we are after poor men.
[Honolulu 15 May, 1972]

And yes, I do free Prasadam distribution.

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 30.10.2012 @ 09:03

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I just wanted to mention that although the main article here doesn’t mention much about poor feeding, I wrote the above three parts after clicking on the link at the bottom of the article titled “MORE ON SOLUTIONS TO WORLD HUNGER”, which leads to the ffl website.

From there I surfed into the Aims and Objectives of FFL and saw the text below which outlines part of the aims of FFL.

Welfare
- To provide pure plantbased meals to te disadvantaged, malnourished and victims of disaster (natural or manmade), wherever there is a need in the world.

Your servant,

Comment Posted By Murari Das On 29.10.2012 @ 14:06

PART III of III


Guest (3): Now people… There are drought conditions, people are starving. Cattles are dying. There are no rains.
Prabhupäda: Yes, because they are not God conscious, they are thinking like that. Now, suppose in the hospital, there are many patients. They are starving, many patients in the hospital. Do you know that or not? So why don’t you give them food? They are starving. Why? Why don’t you go to the hospital and you’ll find hundreds of patients, they are starving… So similarly, why you are bothering? You are not bothering the hospital because you know that is right, they are starving. That is the physician’s prescription. They must starve. So if you know God, then you will understand that you cannot help anyone. They are put into the starving condition under certain condition. So you cannot help them. You are simply thinking that “I will help.” There are hundreds and thousands, millions of people starving. What you can do? ….. What you are doing for them? What you can do? You are simply thinking falsely. What you have got to give? Just oil in your own machine. Try to understand God, instead of thinking foolishly, “Oh, what I shall do, this? What I shall do, that?” First, of all try to understand the situation.

[Room Conversation — September 19, 1973, Bombay]

Conclusion
Based on these views , I feel that we shouldn’t be doing all these activities as it was against Srila Prabhupada’s wishes. We should revert to the direct preaching of Krishna consciousness as His Divine Grace intended. Yes Srila Prabhupada wanted prasadam to be distributed profusely and that should be done, to everyone, not specifically to the poor.

So far prasada distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor. That will be Karma Kanda. Our program therefore is that we offer prasada to everyone. Make our temple so nice that everyone who comes is offered some prasadam. Not that we are after poor men.
[Honolulu 15 May, 1972]

Yes, some people are too hungry or are suffering too much to be able to pay attention to the message. This is very regrettable. But if we start feeding all the hungry people then who will preach Krishna consciousness?

Your humble servant,

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Comment Posted By Murari Das On 27.10.2012 @ 10:42

PART II of III

All decent men want to give service to humanity, only thing is they do not have information really what is that service. Hospitals, feeding the poor, Red Cross, these are service to the bodies only, not to the man. Service to humanity means jnana. By giving people knowledge, jnana, that is the highest service to humanity. So we are performing the actual welfare work of society by informing everyone through our literatures who is God, who they are, and what is the relationship. In this way everyone who hears our message gets the opportunity to fulfill his actual position as human entity and become delivered from the clutches of maya……..
So you may understand it that by disseminating our Krsna consciousness propaganda anywhere and everywhere, by selling books, by making publicity, newspapers, television, so many ways there are to spread Krsna consciousness information, you may know it that by utilizing our energy in this way to give everyone access to the Absolute Truth, that is the real understanding of desire to serve humanity.

[ Letter to: Ramesvara — India 9 January, 1973]

Here is an explanation of how those engaged in activities for the welfare of others are very quickly recognized by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Lord says in Bhagavad-gita (18.68-69), ya idam paramam guhyam mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati. .. na ca tasman manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamah: “One who preaches the message of Bhagavad-gita to My devotees is most dear to Me. No one can excel him in satisfying Me by worship.” There are different kinds of welfare activities in this material world, but the supreme welfare activity is the spreading of Krsna consciousness.
[SB 1.5.18 purport]

But people are poor, hungry and suffering !
One may say that this is heartless and cruel, we have to feed the hungry people and give relief to the disaster victims (droughts, floods etc). Of course we also don’t like to see people suffer but we should try to understand the situation. How many people will we feed? There is a specific plan of the Lord as people have rebelled against God’s authority and they refuse to be Krishna conscious. This world is inherently a place of suffering (duhkhalayam asasvatam) and we should try to get people onto the Krishna conscious platform and not make futile attempts to stop the suffering (which is impossible). We cannot and actually should not change Krishna’s plan.
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Comment Posted By Murari Das On 27.10.2012 @ 10:22


 


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