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Here are some portions from a book titled Brahmacharya in Krishna Consciousness
by Bhakti Vikas Swami with some quotes from Srila Prabhupada.

Those who do not practice brahmacarya must always remain in illusion. Shrila Prabhupada: “Brahmacarya is very, very essential. When one becomes detestful to sex life, that is the beginning of spiritual life.” (Lecture, 4/4/75) “Without becoming brahmacari, nobody can understand spiritual life.” (Airport Reception, 18/09/69)

Still, in our present position, brahmacarya must be emphasized as an essential part of the means to our end of attaining love of Krishna. In our present neophyte position, unless we make a rigid program to control our senses, there will never be any possibility of advancement to higher levels.
“A human being is meant to be trained according to certain principles to revive his original knowledge. Such a methodical life is described as tapasya. One can gradually be elevated to the standard of real knowledge, or Krishna consciousness, by practicing austerity and celibacy (brahmacarya), by controlling the mind, by controlling the senses, by giving up one’s possessions in charity, by being avowedly truthful, by keeping clean, and by practicing yoga-asanas… Unless one is master of his senses, he should not be called Gosvami, but go-dasa, servant of the senses. Following in the footsteps of the six Gosvamis of Vrindavana, all svamis and gosvamis should fully engage in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. As opposed to this, the go-dasas engage in the service of the senses or in the service of the material world. They have no other engagement. Prahlada Maharaja has further described the go-dasa as adanta-go, which refers to one whose senses are not controlled. An adanta-go cannot become a servant of Krishna.” (NOI, Text 1)

Furthermore, to the extent that a person becomes interested in sex, that much he loses all good qualities. For from lust develop all other bad qualities such as greed, personal ambition, hatred, and cruelty. Shrila Prabhupada: “Sex life is the background of material existence. Demons are very fond of sex life. The more one is freed from the desire for sex, the more he is promoted to the level of the demigods; the more one is inclined to enjoy sex, the more he is degraded to the level of demonic life.” (SB 3.20.23)

Shrila Prabhupada: “If our mind is filled with sense gratification, even though we want Krishna consciousness, by continuous practice we cannot forget the subject of sense gratification.” (SB 4.22.30) And, “in the Chaitanya-caritamrita it is stated that if someone sincerely wants to see the Lord and at the same time wants to enjoy this material world, he is considered to be a fool only.”(SB 2.9.23) Therefore, “it is the duty of the transcendentalist to try strenuously to control desire.” (Bg. 5.23)

Neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are “natural.” Heterosexual desire is a perverted reflection of our original love for Krishna and homosexuality is another twist. But homosexual or heterosexual, the disease is lust. Homosexuality means that the lust has increased to an abnormally high degree. Shrila Prabhupada: “The homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane man in the ordinary course of life.” (SB 3.20.26)

Comment Posted By Nitai-Gauradas On 21.03.2007 @ 21:17

Hare Krishna!

It is true that everyone should be given a chance to hear the holy names, but I think what Vishaka Priya dasi meant is that only one who is very serious and fully prepared to follow the regulative principles should be initiated. Here are some verses from Hari-nama-cintamani, 10th Pariccheda by Namacharya Shrila Thakura Haridasa himself and penned by Shrila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura that describe this serious situation:

sraddha-hine peye nama aparadhe mare
sange sange guruke abhakta shighra kare

“If a faithless unqualified person gets initiated into the chanting of Krishna’s Name, then surely he or she will engage in nama-aparadha and be destroyed. Along with his or her own degradation, the disciple will also convert the Guru also into a non-devotee because the Guru gave the Name is the first place and thus is the cause for the offenses of the disciple.”

sradhhahina jane artha lobhe nama diya
narakete jaya nama-aparadha majiya

“Therefore if the Guru gives initiation into the Krishna Mantra due to a desire for money or following, he will commit this namaparadha against Krishna’s Name and will thus go to hell.”

pramade yadyapi nama upadesha haya
sradhhahine tabe guru paya maha-bhaya

“Therefore a Guru should become very fearful when he comes to know that by mistake he has given Krishna-Mantra-Diksha to a faithless unqualified person with ulterior motives.”

vaishnava samaje taha kari vigyapana
sei dusta sisya tyaga kare mahajana

“The Guru should announce in an assembly of devotees and in this way reject the sinful disciple who is engaging in Vaishnava aparadha or Nama aparadha.”

taha na karile guru aparadha krame
bhakti-hina duracara haya maya bhrame

“If the Guru does not reject the envious disciple in this way, the Guru becomes implicated in this aparadha and quickly becomes devoid of bhakti and engages in abominable activities due to the bewilderment of the illusory energy or Maya.”

iha na kariya jei dena nama dhana
sei aparadhe tara narekete patana

“Therefore if a Guru gives Krishna-Mantra-Diksha without creating strong faith in the disciple for Krishna-Nama, then the Guru falls down to hell due to his offense against Krishna-Nama.”

nama peye sisya kare nama aparadha
tahate gurura haya bhakti rasa badha

“After receviing Krishna-Nama-Diksha, if the disciple engages in Vaishnava aparadha or the ten nama-aparadha, then the Guru’s advancement in bhakti rasa is checked or obstructed.”

sei nama aparadhe dunhe sisya guru
narkete maje sei aparadha uru

“And due to this most powerful aparadha by the disciple and by the Guru too who does not stop, correct or reject his blasephemous or offensive disciple, both of them, Guru and disciple fall down into the hellish planets in their next life.”

Comment Posted By Nitai-Gauradas On 19.03.2007 @ 20:39

Thanks for the post. I agree wholeheartedly. It is absolutely impossible to make any real progress in devotional service if one engages in illicit sex because all one’s intelligence is lost and one becomes like a sentimentalist or a fanatic. Semen is the most vital substance in the body and regularly draining the body of this substance destroys the covering of the nerves, the myelin sheaths, especially in the brain. Prabhupada regularly said that one must chant the maha mantra and follow the regulative principles, he gave no concessions. Anyone who tries to justify these illicit activities in any way is just wasting his time and is not a follower of the actual Vaisnavas. What one has to do is increase his chanting and take shelter of Gauranga lila and naam and beg the Lord for help, or feel the harsh bite of the threefold miseries.

Hari Bol!

Comment Posted By Nitai-Gauradas On 18.03.2007 @ 17:36

Kirtan in America: An American Perspective

Thanks for the article, it is very informative. I think one of the main problems is that that there are offenses to be considered in chanting the Hare Krishna maha mantra. For neophytes on the street the maha mantra may not always be a palatable thing because they are full of offenses and they won’t be attracted by the mantra because Krishna most likely won’t have mercy on them. Here is a quote from Srila Prabhupada:

(Shrila Prabhupada in Cc Adi 8.31 purp)”A neophyte student who is not sufficiently educated or enlightened should not indulge in the worship of Sri Radha and Krsna or the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra. Even if he does so, he cannot get the desired result. One should therefore chant the names of Nitai-Gaura and worship Them without false prestige. In the beginning one should *** very regularly *** chant Sri Gaurasundara’s holy name and then chant the holy name of Lord Nityananda. Thus one’s heart will be cleansed of impure desires for material enjoyment. Then one can approach Vrndavana-dhama to worship Lord Krsna.”

So it is obvious here that Srila Prabhupada wants the names of Nityananda and Gauranga to spread also. It’s not just about spreading the glories of Krishna. First the glories of Nityananda and Gauranga should be spread before we tell others too much about Krishna. The pastimes and names of Nitai-Gaura are even more pleasing than the names and pastimes of Krishna because they are instantly merciful to a conditioned soul, whereas Krishna demands surrender and a offenseless mindset.

Here is a quote by Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada:

Purport to Chaitanya-Charitamrita Adi 8.31:

“The Hare Krsna Mahamantra considers the offenses whereas the Names of Gauranga-Nityananda don’t consider offenses. An offensive chanter will never achieve the fruit of chanting (pure love for Krsna) by chanting the Hare Krsna Mahamantra. Therefore till the time he is commiting offenses, he should chant the names of Nityananda and Gauranga. Due the repeated chanting of the names of Nityananda and Gauranga, the offenses will be destroyed and he will achieve the fruit of chanting.”

“The name of Krsna and Gauranga-Both are non-different than the named Lord. Those who think that Krsna is any way inferior or limited than Gauranga are in gross ignorance. But in practical considerations with respect to benefit awarded to the conditioned souls, the chanting of Sri Nityananda and Gauranga’s Name is more useful and helpful for everyone. The mercy of Krsna’s names is generally only upon liberated or perfected souls who are surrendered to Him. But the magnanimity of the names of Lord Nityananda and Gauranga is especially for the souls who are offenders and full of anarthas and desires for material sense-gratification. The chanting of Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga’s Names and Their worship quickly delivers the soul from all the offenses and thus the soul achieves shelter at the lotus feet of Lord Gauranga-Krishna without any delay.”

So I must say that I agree with Mangalananda das and his views that kirtana should take first priority, but the Nityananda and Gauranga mantras should be sung first and then the maha mantra. After all Srila Prabhupada said:

Shrila Prabhupada during a Room Conversation, August 14, 1971, London:

Prabhupada: No. We are recommending “Chant the holy name of God.” So if you have got the holy name of God, you can chant that.

Prabhupada: Anyway, if one chants Allah or Jesus Christ, we have no objection. We don’t say that you stop it. We say that you chant the holy name of God. If that name is of God, you chant.

So why would Prabhupada be against us chanting the names of Nityananda and Gauranga if he would allow us to chant the name of Allah or Jesus?

The fact is that we need the names and pastimes of Nityananda and Gauranga to spread the names and glories of Krishna.

Comment Posted By Nitai-Gauradas On 19.02.2007 @ 17:30

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