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There is one pastime where one gentleman is complaining to Prabhupada that some of his disciples are not pronouncing Krishna’s name properly and Prabhupada responded along the lines of:
‘don’t worry Krishna knows who they’re calling’
And here is a another pastime from the Vedabase:
“The senior students like Jayananda, Visnujana, and Tamal Krsna receive the sacred thread initiation. But the gayatri mantras are not so easy to chant for these new brahmanas. Jayananda especially is having difficulty and requests an appointment with Srila Prabhupada to reveal his problem with the mantras.
‚ÄúSo let me hear you say them,‚ÄĚ Prabhupada requests.
Jayananda attempts to read the Sanskrit mantras from the sheet Prabhupada has given the new initiates. After some encouragement, Prabhupada finally leans back laughing.
‚ÄúIt is hopeless,‚ÄĚ he admits. ‚ÄúYou boys will never be able to speak in Sanskrit. But it does not matter because your feelings are genuine and Krsna is accepting. Go on doing it, never mind.‚ÄĚ Prabhupada laughs again, not bothering to correct Jayananda‚Äôs awful pronunciation”
Ys Praghosa dasa
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 12.10.2013 @ 14:35
Just in support of Pusta Krishna prabhu’s previous comment:
“We may not be cent percent perfect, but as far as possible, if we follow the instruction as it is, that much [is] perfect. In this way, one will get perfection. So, one has to follow. …So if you follow pure devotee, then you are also pure devotee. It may not be one is cent percent pure. Because we are trying to raise ourself from the conditional life. But if we strictly follow the pure devotee, then we are also pure devotee. So far we do, that is pure. So pure devotee does not mean one has to become immediately cent per cent pure. But if he sticks to the principle that ‚ÄúWe’ll follow a pure devotee,‚ÄĚ then his actions are… He is as good as a pure devotee.‚ÄĚ
Srila Prabhupada, Los Angeles, 25th November 1968
Aside from supporting the previous point, the above reference is also helpful for us not to get too carried away with those who are following (excessively worshiping). Or becoming overly despondent when apparent advanced devotees run into spiritual difficulties.
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 17.09.2013 @ 18:35
Yes Maharaja I couldn’t agree more regarding Mahasringha prabhu and recognition, hence I wrote;
“So we all set off in the midday sun to link up with Mahasringha prabhu, a veteran distributor of Krsna mercy in the villages around Mayapur”
I guess I should have been more fulsome in my appreciation, so thank you for highlighting this point!
Your servant, Praghosa dasa
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 05.04.2013 @ 06:44
I sincerely pray for your health and well being Maharaja, you are a real and rare gem of a vaisnava and we all dearly need your association.
You have always been a dear friend and siksa guru to me.
Maharaja, I and all I know, are rooting for you.
Your loving servant, Praghosa dasa
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 30.03.2013 @ 07:14
As moderator of this site I wish to keep an open mind on this discussion and in particular whatever conclusion is reached, if any. Naturally I have my own thoughts but I want to remain open to changing them as this discussion develops.
One quote that is often used to argue against women ever giving diksa is:
According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru,and generally the siksa-guru later on becomes the diksa-guru. Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja‚Äôs diksa-guru.‚ÄĚ (Bhag. 4.12.32 purport)
Even with the above reference, the door is left open as far as the words ’specifically his mother’
In addition we have the following reference:
kalau panca vivarjayet
“In this age of Kali, five acts are forbidden: the offering of a horse in sacrifice, the offering of a cow in sacrifice, the acceptance of the order of sannyasa, the offering of oblations of flesh to the forefathers, and a man’s begetting children in his brother’s wife.” (Cc. Adi 17.164)
Now we know that both SBSST, Srila Prabhupada and of course the GBC do not follow this sastric injunction. It is understood that over and above sastra we follow the order of the acarya first and foremost. Our acarya, Srila Prabhupada, waived this particular injunction in deference to the preaching mission.
One question that needs to be answered is - should we also waive the rigid objection to women gurus in deference to the preaching mission? Our acarya Srila Prabhupada seems to indicate such a course of action with many references, in particular this one:
“I want that all of my spiritual sons and DAUGHTERS will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to INITIATE disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to INITIATE and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program” ‚Äď Letter to Hamsaduta on Jan 3, 1969
Capitals mine for emphasis
Ys Praghosa dasa
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 03.12.2012 @ 17:00
Of course the GBC will still give guidance and of course temples will ‘not be free to do as they please’ if doing as they please is in conflict with Srila Prabhupada’s mission and the statutes of ISKCON.
Still the point is that each ISKCON centre should be separately incorporated and responsible for its day to day functioning, as evidenced by this reference of Srila Prabhupada’s:
“Never mind there may be botheration to register each center, take tax certificate each, become separate corporations in each state. That will train men how to do these things, and they shall develop reliability and responsibility, that is the point”
(SPL to Karandhara, 22nd December, 1972)
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 23.11.2012 @ 18:53
Again many students began shouting. Madhudvisa Swami took the microphone. “I can answer if you like. Our movement is not from the United States. If you have some paranoia that everything is coming from the United States, well, that is your hang-up, not mine. [Applause.] And second of all, our spiritual master came to the United States to start this Krsna consciousness movement because he got a free ticket on the boat to go there. If you would have sent him a free ticket, he probably would have come to Australia first. So he is trying to spread love of God. He is not trying to start any kind of political movement. He is trying to spark a revolutionary consciousness. I think you are also interested in revolution. We are interested in revolution also. But we are interested in revolution which will help people to feel peace themselves, whether they are Communists or Marxists or whatever it is you like. We are trying to help people attain happiness whether they are-”
Madhudvisa Swami’s remarks triggered the largest vocal protest yet. The commotion rose as students all over the hall began to shout. There was no possibility of a peaceful philosophical discussion.
The devotees’ greatest concern became getting Prabhupada out of the hall unharmed. Prabhupada rose from his vyasasana and, escorted by his disciples, left by a side exit. A large crowd of students had gathered outside the door as Prabhupada emerged, but he entered his waiting car without incident. As he rode slowly through a cluster of students a girl kicked at the car with her booted foot. And as the devotees were getting into their vans students threw stones. Finally, as the devotees drove off the campus, they had to pass under an elevated walkway where some waiting students threw black paint down onto the vans.
Riding in his car, Prabhupada was mostly silent, but he seemed disgusted. He said that in the future, he would only give lectures in classes where he was invited; no more wide-open lectures.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => SPL 44: Let There Be a Temple
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 07.11.2012 @ 02:46
Srila Prabhupada: “That’s all right. You are Christian. We are Krsnian. It is practically the same thing.” (Laughter and applause.)
Student: “I have one other question. I believe Jesus is coming back, and not Krsna. What are you guys going to do when you see Jesus?” (Laughter)
Srila Prabhupada: “When he is coming, welcome. We shall welcome. It is very good news that Jesus is coming.”
Student: “Jesus had no reputation. He wore sandals and was crucified between two thieves. And your spirituality is on a Rolls Royce and a padded seat, and you’re all into money-you Krsnas, you want money.”
Srila Prabhupada: “I don’t want money.”
Student: “And you say violence is violence, that’s what you believe. Jesus turned the other cheek, and he expected his followers to.” (Applause.)
Srila Prabhupada: “This Krsna consciousness movement is not a sentimental religious system. It is science and philosophy.” Prabhupada explained that understanding the science of God was transcendental to Christianity or Hinduism. The real goal was to learn to love God.
Second student: “I have a question about Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti stresses that when you are speaking in the Western world, you should speak and present yourself as a Westerner, not as an Indian or as you would speak in India. Instead of sitting on a raised dais and dressing in the robes of a monk, Krishnamurti would say dress in Western clothes and sit on a chair. What is your opinion of this?”
Srila Prabhupada: “Actually a God conscious person is neither a Westerner nor Easterner. So anywhere the devotee goes, as they receive him, he accepts. These devotees have arranged a raised seat, so I have accepted the raised seat. If they wanted me to sit down on the floor, I would have gladly accepted. I have no objection to this or that. But as devotees receive and give honor, that is good for them, because actually we should honor the Supreme Lord God and His representative. Nowadays it is different. Students are not learning to honor. But that is not actually the system. According to the Vedic system, the representative of God must be honored as God.”
Another student (loudly): “Do you consider your movement the major form of enlightenment emanating from the United States today? What particular role does your movement play in the White House psychological warfare department? Will you be coming to our Fourth of July demonstration against the United States this year and take up the real political issues?”
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 07.11.2012 @ 02:44
Srila Prabhupada’s engagement at La Trobe University in Melbourne was like a repeat of the unpleasant incident with the radicals at La Salle Pleyel in Paris. It was, again, a large, free-admission audience of students, and again the disciples had prepared Prabhupada a standard vyasasana. Devotees held a kirtana onstage and introduced Srila Prabhupada, who began speaking very basically about the distinction between the soul and the body and about how this education is required for all people. But after no more than ten minutes, a young man in the audience stood up and began to shout profanities at Srila Prabhupada. “And how do you explain your Rolls Royce?” he added.
The audience, which had been quiet until the interruption, now became noisy and restless. Three of Srila Prabhupada’s more aggressive disciples left the front row and went to the back, where the man was shouting. Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada stopped speaking and sat tolerantly, waiting. The shouting stopped, and he began again. “As I was explaining, in material life we have been changing from one body to another. This is not a very good condition of life. Nobody wants to die, but he is forced to die.”
After five minutes, the abusive language again broke out. This time Srila Prabhupada’s three disciples pushed the shouters out the back door. In the fight, one of the students pulled a knife from his boot, but a devotee disarmed him.
The atmosphere inside the auditorium was tense, and many people were talking loudly. Some got up to leave. Madhudvisa Swami, taking the microphone, pleaded with the students to remain calm and continue hearing from Srila Prabhupada. Some students in the audience seemed on the verge of violence, and the devotees feared for Prabhupada’s safety. But Prabhupada was willing to continue. He called for questions.
Student: “I am a Christian, and I would like to know what is your opinion of Jesus Christ.”
Srila Prabhupada: “We respect Jesus Christ as you do, because he is representative of God, son of God. We are also speaking of God, so we respect him with our greatest veneration.”
Question: “You are a son of Jesus too?”
Srila Prabhupada: “Yes, I am a servant of Jesus. I don’t say I am Jesus.”
Question: “I want to know if you have the power of Jesus?”
Srila Prabhupada: “No, I have no power of Jesus.”
Question: “Well, I’ve got the power of Jesus! [Laughter.] Because I’m a Christian.”
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 07.11.2012 @ 02:42
We are closing comments on this article for obvious reasons.
Will there be need for moderation in the spiritual world…
Comment Posted By Praghosa On 13.11.2012 @ 19:24