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I understand your point, but feel that the pro-active “Krishna-dairyan” strategy has much more merit. You see, as long as we can continue to purchase dairy from farmers that exploit cows, then we remain part of the problem. However, rather than rejecting the industry outright, we can approach the organic farmers and propose as a cooperative of consumers, to purchase their milk if they agree to not kill the cows. At the end of the day, what these farmers are doing is pure business, so if the ISKCON community can guarantee the farmers a certain amount of business then why wouldn’t they agree to our conditions? In this way, we can get ahimsa milk.
Plus, as I pointed out in the article, as long as ISKCON ignores this issue and pretends that what we have been doing thus far is good enough, then the motivation to do better will not be there. 40 years after Srila Prabhupada gave us the orders to establish cow protection and produce our own milk, we should have done better.
Finally, the argument that these commercial dairy cows get benefit by offering their milk can not be supported by shastra or any quote from Prabhupada. Typically the milk is forceable extracted from the cows, and that in itself if not acceptable according the the Bhagavatam. But more importantly, that so-called “milk” is then mixed in large vats, so how and what cow in particular gets benefit if a devotee offers their milk? It is all very unscientific and speculative. The bottom line is: dairy cows and their calves suffer horrible lives because of the dairy industry. The only solution is to produce our own product. It is about time ISKCON did that as a rule, not as a rare exception.
Promoting a Krishna-dairyan lifestyle is standing up for cows, honouring ISKCON’s ancient roots and also directly challenging the criticism of the vegan community.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Jun 26, 2014 @ 6:16 pm
Unlike most other vitamins, vitamin B12 is not made by plants or animals. I should of said, B12 is made from bacteria. Thanks for the typo.
So, how is it that vegetarian animals like cows and sheep can make their own B12 but humans cannot? One reason is because many vegetarian animals (like cows and sheep) have stomachs with four chambers. The first chamber, called the rumen, is rich in bacteria which can make B12. Other animals also have stomachs which are shaped differently and allow more bacterial fermentation.
Another reason that vegetarian animals aren’t B12 deficient is that they often consume soil along with their food. Soil often contains cobalt, which is necessary for making B12 in the intestines. As Dr. Justine Butler points out, many primates have been known to eat dirt to naturally treat/combat nutrient deficiencies. When moved to a zoo and fed a sterile diet, many primates develop B12 deficiencies.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Jul 30, 2014 @ 5:38 pm
In response to your quoting me:
1 Srila Prabhupada was not an expert nutritionist and therefore we cannot accept his authority on diet.
2 Milk is full of toxic chemicals, growth harmones and antibiotics and full of pain.
3 Some people are lactose intolerant.
4 He says Srila Prabhupada’s comments about leather are applicable to milk.
5 We don’t have to use milk and can use what we like.
6 The “Patram Pushpam” verse does not include milk.
7 It is a “wrong throw out” comment that cows are killed because of their karma.
1. Prabhupada admitted that he was not expert in nutrition. You can research that.
2. Commercial milk is toxic. How can you say it is not?
3. Not some, but most of the world is lactose intolerant and this is mainly because of the poor quality of commercial milk. It has been shown that these same people do better with raw milk.
4. Yes, indeed, as leather is violent so too is using commercial milk. If you have ever visited a modern dairy y0u will understand this clearly.
5. We do not need milk to advance in Krishna consciousness. It is not a regulative principle. What is important is bhakti and bhakti is dependent upon our sincerity. So the question is: Are we being sincere when we purchase low quality commercial milk and ignore Prabhupadas instructions on producing our own milk?
6. It does not include milk. However, pure milk is sattvic and therefore is offer able.
7. The idea that commercial dairy cows are killed because of karma is simply ruthless, insensitive and a cop out.
We can do better and all I and others are saying is that ISKCON should do better.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Apr 8, 2014 @ 12:13 am
I am surprised there was no resolution to invest more money and effort in developing cow protection in ISKCON. I am also surprised that 36% of the voters did not think it was important to source better quality milk to offer Krishna. One of my main points in the presentation is that most commercial milk is contaminated and therefore not sattvic, and because Lord Krishna only accepts sattvic foods offered with devotion, most commercial dairy products should not be offered. This is not a question of vegan or non-vegan, but is all about what is the BEST thing to offer Krishna, and honesty asking ourselves are we doing our best?
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Oct 20, 2013 @ 4:12 pm
The issue is not about being a “vegan” it is about acting with integrity. I am a Krishna-dairian and proud of it.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Jan 5, 2013 @ 12:29 am
Dairy farmers sell their cows to slaughter because to them a cow is just a “unit” in their business. When that “unit” does not produce milk anymore, it becomes a “liability” and so they get rid of the liability to stay in business. If however consumers were willing to pay more to the farmers to respect the cows by allowing them to feed on grass, etc, and never killing them once they stop producing milk, then the farmer would change their business model accordingly. When people buy commercial milk from farmers that do not respect cows, they pay to keep the status quo. It is the same logic that would make McDonalds change to selling soy burgers. If the consumers demanded it, they would comply. Their agenda is profit, not selling meat burgers.
What is needed is a change in the model of milk production. ISKCON devotees should not support an industry that is hell bent on exploitation of cows for profit. It should only support ahimsa dairy farms and work towards the ideal that Srila Prabhupada wanted. As long as devotees continue supporting an exploitive system, the motivation to develop ahimsa dairy projects (inside and outside of ISKCON) will not be there, and neither will the current business model change.
“So unless one becomes responsible householder, how he’ll execute his responsibility? If he thinks, “Oh, what is the use of keeping a cow when the milk is available in the market? Oh, sex life is so cheap. Why shall I take the responsibility of marrying?” This is going on.” – CC Adi 7 – 107-109 15/2/67 San Francisco
I think the solution is to form a cooperative of ahimsa milk buyers and approach the organic dairies with a proposal to adopt cows so they they are never sent to slaughter. Remember, this is all about business. We have to think in terms of what makes sense for business. The farmers, especially the organic dairy farms must have some respect for the cows, so it is a matter of forming a powerful alliance of consumers and proposing to them a new model for business. This initiative should be headed by organizations like ISKCON. It is a step in the right direction. ISKCON needs to see the solution from a broader perspective. SP didn’t expect that ISKCON would have all the solutions, and therefore he was always very keen to cooperate with others, as long as principles were not compromised. For me at least, for ISKCON to continue purchasing poor quality commercial dairy is a huge compromise of their principles.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Jan 5, 2013 @ 12:28 am
Wow, this is beautiful news. I am so honoured to know these wonderful devotees. May the Lord continue to bless your efforts.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Dec 12, 2012 @ 8:33 am
Sitalatama prabhu, why do you feel the need to nitpick. Just be happy that prasadam is going out in more and more quantities. Let’s celebrate with kirtan!!!!
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Nov 20, 2012 @ 4:15 am
Thanks Tim for your contribution. Yes, in many way, the cheating that has gone in the name of FFL has hampered our ability to be more bold in promoting the excellent work that the volunteers are doing.
As for the other commentators on this article, my question is: Why do you feel the need to preach to me or any of us FFL volunteers about what Prabhupada meant when it comes to welfare. We have also read the book. We know what real welfare means, and giving someone prasadam is the greatest charity.
My article was really just a commentary on World Food Day and how if the world was more spiritually aware there would be no need for a special World Food Day. Every Day would be World food day, because we all see each other as brother or sister.
What Food for Life is doing is just putting that ideal into practice — setting an example. Whether we feed a so-called poor person or rich person is a moot point. Everyone needs prasadam and that has been our mission from the very beginning.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Nov 20, 2012 @ 4:11 am
Parasuram is a legend. The event was not about promoting a religion. It was simply about raising awareness of the tremendous waste of good food that is happening all over the world. It is a credit to Parasuram prabhu and his dedicated team that they were chosen to participate and therefore turn this “waste” food into prasadam. Hopefully the french yatra can build on this success. Prasadam is always the answer to ALL problems.
Goon onya, mate.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Oct 26, 2012 @ 6:25 am
Dear Gaurakeshava prabhu. Excellent comments.
Bashu Gosh, also good point, however, I think it is unfair to label any kind of prasadam distribution as “social welfare activities.” Doing so, in my opinion, lessons to service of those involved. If the food is prepared and offered with love, then it is prasadam, and prasadam distribution is transcendental.
Krishna Kirti prabhu, I am a very optimistic person and I know that Prabhupada will not fail. Since ISKCON is Prabhupada’s body, it won’t fail. I pray that you will one day have such faith.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Oct 15, 2011 @ 12:50 pm
Glad to see there is some discussion on this.
My initial concern with the lecture is that in my opinion Bhakti Vikasha Swami was indirectly criticising his senior Godbrother, Mukunda Goswami by totally misrepresenting the story regarding the Salvation Army. Mukunda Goswami was not suggesting that ISKCON become like the Salvation Army, he was just making a point that through positive social contributions they were able to change public opinion. Unfortunately for them, is that they forgot their missionary activities for the sake of mundane charity.
Fortunately for us is that prasadam distribution is ALWAYS transcendental, no matter who it is directed at. And, ISKCON has never stopped chanting Hare Krishna.
The first reference I gave from the Bhagavatam explains it all, Chanting as much as possible and distributing prasadam as far as possible. We should encourage any program that is realising these ideals.
Just because a prasadam distribution program is focused on an underpriviledged sector of society, does not mean that the program is mundane or somehow less pure. Prasadam is for everyone, including the poor. Furthermore, you can be sure that all these children are developing great faith in Krishna and the devotees. Seeds of bhakti are being planted.
Moreover, consistent with Srila Prabhupada’s desire that we engage the state administrators in this mission, the Midday meal program has done a tremendous job in inspiring and gaining the support of so many leaders of society, all of whom in their own way can influence the masses to accept ISKCON and have faith in Krishna.
Maharaja may have encouraged the mass distribution of prasadam, however, to suggest that these projects are impure or leading ISKCON down a path of mundanity is absurd and quite frankly very offensive to a lot of very pure devotees.
Please understand that I write these words, not in defence of myself, but the thousands of great souls who work hard every day to share Krishna’s mercy. I am pray to remain their servant.
As to Krishna Kirti’s comments, I stand my ground that ISKCON is too large an organization that it will ever lose sight of the goal of spreading Krishna consciousness. I know of no prasadam distribution program in the world that does not have this as their ULTIMATE agenda. The only difference is that prasadam distributors have a different way of doing that to the book distributors. Unity in diversity. In this regard, I second the words of Puskaraksa prabhu.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Oct 14, 2011 @ 4:19 pm
Thank you prabhu for sharing your thoughts on this. It is indeed very important for devotees to eat a simple diet.
Here is another nice quote from Prabhupada where he instructs his disciple to eat raw foods to maintain health:
My Dear Dayananda,
Please accept my blessings. Regarding your letter asking me permission for taking prasadam comprising fruits, nuts, milk product and green leaf vegetables,—if the __ to your health for rendering service to Krishna with more energy, then you must take such Prasdam instead of cooked food. If required you can take raw cereals soaked in water overnight that is also good. The thing is you must accept such food as will keep you fit. Not more nor less that is the injunction of Lord Krishna in the B.G. Hope you are well. (Letter to Dayananda — Hawaii 23 March, 1969)
Food is the most basic necessity of life. Its only purpose is to nourish the body, mind and soul. Food, therefore, should give us life, cleanse our body and uplift our spirit. Eating food should never be just about fueling the physical body. As Michael Pollan suggests in his book, In Defense of Food, “That eating should be foremost about bodily health is a relatively new, and I think, destructive idea – destructive not just of the pleasure of eating, which would be bad enough, but paradoxically of our health as well.”
In ceding control of our dinner dinner table to scientists, food marketers and governments, a terrible thing happened — tradition and common sense have gone out the window, and as Pollen notes, “Thirty years of nutritional advice have left us fatter, sicker, and more poorly nourished. Which is why we find ourselves in the predicament we do: in need of a whole new way to think about eating.”
Take Vitamin B12 for example. It is a bacteria that comes from the soil. When animals eat grass they consume this bacteria and it is cultivated in their stomachs. That is why eating flesh or drinking milk are sources for this essential vitamin. However, for those that are vegetarian and also lactose intolerant, getting this vitamin becomes a challenge. The pharmaceutical companies will encourage us to buy their vitamin pills, however, if we lived simply and grew our own food, working our hands through that same soil and breathing the fresh air that carries that bacteria (B12) we would naturally get all the B12 we needed.
Simple living is the answer to all our problems.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Apr 27, 2011 @ 1:28 am
One of my favorite books on this topic is Mysticism and the new physics, by Michael Talbot,
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Mar 31, 2011 @ 4:41 am
Dear Sanjaya Krsnacandra,
We are glad to hear all is ok with the devotees and the temple. I have been in Mayapur for the last few weeks, but have just now arrived in Hong Kong. Food for Life Global is willing to help set up a prasadam relief effort in Japan with the cooperation of the local devotees. We already have many people willing to volunteer and some donations are coming in.
Please contact me at EMERGENCY@FFL.ORG to see how Food for Life Global can be of service.
Food for Life Global
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Mar 16, 2011 @ 11:28 am
If you are interested, please call 301 987 5883 and leave a message or email
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Dec 6, 2010 @ 4:02 am
As a follow up to my points about our limited sense perception:
The electromagnetic spectrum is the range of all possible frequencies of electromagnetic radiation. An object’s electromagnetic spectrum is the characteristic distribution of electromagnetic radiation emitted or absorbed by that particular object.
The electromagnetic spectrum (EM) extends from below frequencies used for modern radio to gamma radiation at the short wavelength end, covering wavelengths from thousands of kilometers down to a fraction of the size of an atom.
Electromagnetic radiation in the range of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be detected by the human eye is called visible light. A typical human eye will respond to wavelengths from about 380 to 750 nm .
The entire electromagnetic spectrum ranges from 10 megameters to a very minute 1 picometer. In layman’s terms, this means that more than 99% of the total electromagnetic spectrum is completely beyond our ability to perceive! Think about that for a second. Human eyes can only perceive about 1% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum and yet, somewhat audaciously, we claim to understand the world around us!
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Nov 13, 2010 @ 9:13 pm
The Srimad Bhagavatam presents many concepts that are completely beyond the limits of our mundane sense perception in this 3-dimensional prison. What may appear as contradictory statements from Srila Prabhupada could very well be a case of a higher being (SP) presenting one view from the human paradigm and then later another from that of higher dimensional beings like demigods and great saints. Although the history of the Apollo mission is somewhat controversial, the evidence for moon exploration in general is overwhelming, and so it is foolish to discount everything as a hoax. I believe that the statements in the SB suggesting the moon is farther away than the sun are presenting a paradigm that is simply beyond our sensual abilities. It is absolute truth — we just can’t see it at this time. The example of the “flat world” metaphor comes to mind.
I don’t envy the devotees working on the Vedic Planetarium. How they are going to present a concept that is chaste to the SB description and yet understandable to the common man is a monumental undertaking. It may only be possible once there is an enormous shift in consciousness across the planet and collectively we are able to see and understand more of this very mysterious world we live in.
Nothing should ever be taken at face value, neither the statements of modern empirical science or even statements of scripture, because in both cases, unless we have the ability to understand these statements we can very easily be cheated. Cheated by a cheater (as in the case of a self-serving scientist) or cheated by our own limited intelligence as we filter the statements through our tiny brains.
Our great blessing is that we somehow were blessed by a true messenger of God and so even if we don’t understand everything it will never disqualify us from the benefit of being in the presence of God.
Jay Srila Prabhupada!
Pavamana’s comments are excellent.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Nov 5, 2010 @ 3:58 am
August, 2010 — Food for Life Global in partnership with affiliates in Pakistan and India are mobilizing teams to provide meals to survivors of the recent floods in Pakistan.
According to FFL coordinator, Sandeep Kumar Maheshwary, most of the public have been collecting clothes, dry food, water, and medicine for the affected areas. They are then transporting the donations to local community groups or the Army who have set up relief camps.
Maheshwary suggests that the most practical type of meal should be dry, like Dhal Chawal, or spicy rice, etc, however, the kind of meals served will largely be dependent on the financial support Food for Life Global recieves. “Food for Life is famous for providing hot, tasty nutritious meals at such times, and the Pakistan food relief will be no exception, explains global director, Paul Turner.
The Food for Life Pakistan Relief Team will focus on poor, minority groups who have lost their homes.
Areas of focus include: Sindh Areas: Hyderabad, Khairpur, Sukkur, Gambt, Shikarpur, Larkana, Rato, Dero, Mirpur. Punjab Areas: Kand kut, Kambr, Karmpur, Gunspur, Gutki, Khan Garr, Khan Pur Mehr, Sultan Kut, Sehdad Kut
Food for Life Pakistan Relief Team will also try to collaborate with other NGOs, namely, the Swami Narayan Welfare Temple and Trust and the Pakistan Hindu Council.
The teams will be led by Ram Yagya who is a full time volunteer with the Food for Life project and ISKCON Karachi.
Ram Yagya: +92 301 36 88 360
Sadhu Seva: +92 332 27 30 312
DONATE NOW AT http://www.FFL.ORG
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Aug 30, 2010 @ 1:02 am
Thank you for your kind words. I thought that the article would get more comments than it has. I was very surprised. In any case, I did get a response from devotees in Pakistan and India and we are now working in a solution to provide prasadam to people.
Pray for them!
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Aug 30, 2010 @ 1:01 am
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Thank you, Maharaja for taking the time to do this research about modern ghee. Hopefully this will encourage leadership to revisit the roots on KC movement and strive once more to achieve self sufficiency.
We cannot trust anyone that produces food solely for profit and greed.
It amazes me that in 2008, ISKCON devotees are even discussing the harmful effects and impurity of white sugar. It is well documented. There is absolutely no excuse to use white sugar anymore when there are so many natural and pure alternatives.
Giridhari is right about the process of using animal bone charcoal filters as archaic. Very few do this. Most sugar companies today use beets to filter the sugar. However, it still does not minimize the fact that white sugar has zero nutrition and is dangerous for one’s health. And yes, brown sugar is really just white sugar colored with molasses. However, I know that Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was referring to Gor, which is very nutritious and pure, and not modern day brown sugar.
As for Giridhari prabhu’s comment about milk powder, I am wondering why you think it is necessary to use contaminated milk powder in replace of contaminated liquid milk? Replacing one contaminated product with another will certainly not solve the problem and most certainly not please Krishna. It is better to go without if you cannot find a clean source. Krishna wants our love and not any particular food item. Of course, it is best if we can have our own cows and get pure milk, but if the temple is not able to or willing to do that, then you have no moral choice really but to go without. But typically this never happens and we compromise.
I am very confident that if Prabhupada was here to observe what is happening in modern day factory farming, something which practically didn’t exist when he was physically here, then he would encourage us even more to be independent of this profit driven, greedy, and contaminated economic system created by the West.
Using and kind of impure food in our offerings to the deities is ludicrous. Radha and Krishna should ONLY be offered the very best available. One would think that after 40 years of trying, ISKCON should know very well what the “very best” is. If we were really honest, as a society, and acted in the best interest of Krishna’s pleasure, these articles would have little relevance to our daily lives. We would truly be independent and unaffected by whatever was happening in these kali yuga food factories.
» Posted By PriyavrataFFL On Jan 26, 2008 @ 8:42 pm
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