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Are there different sizes of infinity?

You are right it is amazing that the all powerful Krsna our dear most friend.

In the Bg 10.12-13 Arjuna states that Krsna divine nature had been confirmed to the Pandavas by others before such as Devala, Asita, Narada and Vyasa.

Makandeya Rsi was also one of those who had explained to the Pandavas that their cousin Krsna was God Himself. Markendeya Rsi had told his story about his experience with the Lord’s illusory potency to the Pandavas while there were in the forest. Krsna was also listening to the story. Here is last part of that chapter where he points out the real identity of Krsna.

‘Markandeya continued, ‘Having said so unto me that wonderful Deity vanished, O son, from my sight! I then beheld this varied and wondrous creation start into life. O king, O thou foremost of the Bharata race, I witnessed all this, so wonderful, O thou foremost of all virtuous men, at the end of the Yuga! And the Deity, of eyes large as lotus leaves, seen by me, in days of yore is this tiger among men, this Janardana who hath become thy relative! It is in consequence of the boon granted to me by this One that memory doth not fail me, that the period of my life, O son of Kunti, is so long and death itself is under my control. This is that ancient and supreme Lord Hari of inconceivable soul who hath taken his birth as Krishna of the Vrishni race, and who endued with mighty arms, seemeth to sport in this world! This one is Dhatri and Vidhatri, the Destroyer of all the Eternal, the bearer of the Sreevatsa mark on his breast, the Lord of the lord of all creatures, the highest of the high, called also Govinda! Beholding this foremost of all gods, this ever-victorious Being, attired in yellow robes, this chief of the Vrishni race, my recollection cometh back to me! This Madhava is the father and mother of all creatures! Ye bulls of the Kuru race, seek ye the refuge of this Protector!’

Vaisampayana continued, “Thus addressed, the sons of Pritha and those bulls among men–the twins, along with Draupadi, all bowed down unto Janardana. And that tiger among men deserving of every respect thus revered by the sons of Pandu, then consoled them all with words of great sweetness.”

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Nov 24, 2014 @ 2:46 pm

For those of you who wanted a more complete proof that the Real Numbers R ={0<x<1} is a bigger size of infinity than the set of (integers) Natural Numbers N= {1, 2, 3, 4, …} here is an easy to understand article on the topic:

Here’s The Simple Proof That There Must Be Multiple Levels Of Infinity

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Nov 24, 2014 @ 2:10 pm

Hare Krsna.

Some doubts have been expressed by the purva-paksa. To present the siddhanta on this topic I request the reader to refresh their memory by reading Caitanya Caritamrta 2.21

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura gives the following summary of the twenty-first chapter. In this chapter Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu fully describes Krsnaloka, the spiritual sky, the Causal Ocean and the material world, which consists of innumerable universes. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu then describes Lord Brahma’s interview with Krsna at Dvaraka and the Lord’s curbing the pride of Brahma. There is also a description of one of Krsna’s pastimes with Brahma. In this chapter the author of the Caitanya-caritamrta has presented some nice poems about the pastimes of Krsna and Krsna’s superexcellent beauty. Throughout the rest of the chapter, our intimate relationship (sambandha) with Krsna is described.

Here are few salient verses, the kind reader is requested to read the whole text including purports.

As you will find Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s opinion is that the material world is composed of innumerable (infinite) universes (not a mere 35 million which is a countable number). And that no one can measure the one fourth of His energy what to speak of the three fourths. It is not an exaggeration to say the material manifestation is infinite.

“Krsna said, ‘Your particular universe has a diameter of four billion miles; therefore it is the smallest of all the universes. Consequently you have only four heads.

“ ‘Some of the universes are one billion yojanas in diameter, some one trillion, some ten trillion and some one hundred trillion yojanas. Thus they are almost unlimited in area.

“ ‘According to the size of the universe, there are so many heads on the body of Brahma. In this way I maintain innumerable universes [brahmandas].

“ ‘No one can measure the length and breadth of the one fourth of My energy manifested in the material world. Who then can measure the three fourths that is manifested in the spiritual world?’

“ ‘Beyond the river Viraja is the spiritual nature, which is indestructible, eternal, inexhaustible and unlimited. It is the supreme abode, consisting of three fourths of the Lord’s opulences. It is known as paravyoma, the spiritual sky.”’

CC 2.21.84-88

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Nov 24, 2014 @ 2:02 pm

Margarine Spreads vs. Butter

Dear Ananda dd,

Hare Krsrna. For some reason only the first part of my comment was published yesterday not the second in which I quote from the ayurveda stating that uncooked milk has defects unless it is taken directly from the teat of a healthy cow with very little time lag, you can read it for your self.

“Uncooked milk is abhisyandi (produces excess secretion in the tissue pores and causing their blockage) and not easily digestible, that which is properly cooked is opposite in its qualities; too much of boiling makes it very hard for digestion. Milk drawn from the udder (nipple) direct into the mouth is similar to nectar.” Astanga Hrdayam 5.27

The Ayurveda tells us that properly cooked milk is the healthiest way to drink milk. Prabhupada accepted this pramana, that is why hot milk is a staple in ISKCON. I never had hot milk before joining ISKCON.

Raw food is generally avoided in Ayurveda as it creates undue burden on the fire of digestion which will have to cook it anyway. We don’t just eat raw dough balls but cook them into chappatis, though some foods like fruit and certain vegetables can be eaten raw or cooked.

I follow the ayurvedic system given by Lord Dhanvantari because that is the system followed by Srila Prabhupada my guru and other propagators of Vedic civilization – the guru parampara. The ayurveda promotes boiling milk for greater digestibility and reduced sleshma (mucus), etc.

And we are reminded that the residents of Vrndavana drank boiled milk.

Mother Yaśodā took her son on her lap and pushed the nipple of her breast into His mouth, and while Kṛṣṇa was sucking the milk, she was smiling, enjoying the beauty of her child’s face. Suddenly, the milk which was on the stove began to boil over. Just to stop the milk from spilling, Mother Yaśodā at once put Kṛṣṇa aside and went to the stove. Left in that state by His mother, Kṛṣṇa became very angry, and His lips and eyes became red in rage.

I am of course aware that there are some people who think we should jettison Vedic culture and just follow Western values with a spray coating of KC. I prefer to get deeper into Krsna’s culture not further away.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 13, 2014 @ 11:58 am

part 2

In the morning of course new fresh milk arrived and the cycle started again. In mean time the yogurt had formed over night and it had cultured cream at the top, which was skimmed off and churned into butter having buttermilk as a by-product. Any excess butter would then be turned into ghee. (It should be noted that butter and ghee made from cultured cream has different properties than that made from uncultured cream.) So the next day there would be yoghurt, buttermilk, butter, ghee, paneer, plus more milk. And the cycle would continue as long as the cows gave milk. Cows are indeed our mothers.

No one drank cold milk, or milk from a cow who had given birth within 10-12 days. You could drink fresh milk directly from the udder but only if you knew the cow was healthy. I have on occasion put the glass right under the cow and drank it from there.

The process that I have described above is approved of in the Ayurveda.

“Uncooked milk is abhisyandi (produces excess secretion in the tissue pores and causing their blockage) and not easily digestible, that which is properly cooked is opposite in its qualities; too much of boiling makes it very hard for digestion. Milk drawn from the udder (nipple) direct into the mouth is similar to nectar.” Astanga Hrdayam 5.27

We never boiled milk for more than 1-2 minutes except in the process of making payasam (sweet rice).

An exception to the long boiling process would be in the case of milk based ayurvedic decoctions (kashayams) in which milk and herbs were mixed together and boiled for long period to reduce the volume. But such milk would no longer be milk but take on the character of the herbs.

I would never drink milk that has not been boiled unless I was standing with a glass underneath the udder of a healthy cow.

In conclusion pasteurization of milk is not a problem, Ayurveda recommends heating to even higher temperatures and for longer.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 12, 2014 @ 12:15 pm

You wrote:

“… Now the product that started off life as Organic Whole milk has been heat-treated to 161 degrees Fahrenheit and then high-pressurised treatment to bombard the fat molecules to merge with the milk.
Once milk is pasteurised the nutritional value in the milk is destroyed and all that is left is a delicious sanitized liquid of oxidised fat that causes more health problems than the miraculous elixir of Mother Nature’s perfect milk ever did.”

While I certainly agree that homogenization of milk is a major blunder completely destroying the structure of the milk; I disagree regarding pasteurization.

I have lived in India for almost 15 years over the last 40 years, and especially during my early stay from 1977-83 practically no homes in the cities, what to speak of the villages had refrigerators (now common in cities). This was the way it had been for thousands of years — no fridges, yet India was the land of the cow and lots of milk. So how was milk handled in India, a very hot country where milk will spoil very easily if not handled properly?

I was in charge of the ashram kitchen at the Hyderabad temple as well as the Deity kitchen in Mumbai where I was trained to deal with milk in the time-honored system of ancient Indian villages.

Typically after the cows were milked and distributed to the homes the milk would be heated and brought to a boil three (3) times thus being kept at a sustained heat much higher and longer than in pasteurization. (In pasteurization milk is heated to 72C for 15 seconds, while bringing milk to a boil three times would raise the temperature to 100C for about 60-90 seconds.) The milk would then be covered and ether set aside or kept on a very low flame for the rest of the day and milk would be drawn from that supply all day as needed until evening when a another batch of milk would be delivered which in turn would be brought to a boil 3 times. After taking any milk for consumption at night the evening and morning milk (if any remained) would be merged together and either made into yogurt or paneer (or both) as the need required.

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» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 12, 2014 @ 12:05 pm

“Conservative and liberal positions in and around ISKCON” – video

I have not personally listened to this talk as it is much too long, a transcript would have been better. But here is the comment of a friend of mine about this video.

I just listened to the presentation. I characterize it as descriptive, not analytical. That is, he describes things that we see, for example, that liberal and conservative devotees disagree with each other. He quotes William Blake’s aphorism, “both read the Bible day and night one reads black while the other reads white.” However he does not try to explain the gulf of difference between liberal and conservative devotees outside of saying that there extremes on both sides and that we shouldn’t be extreme. This is pretty much the substance of what he says.

What I would like to see however is an account from a particular point of view, liberal or conservative, both preferably, but either one would be acceptable, in accounting for why the difference exists. For example, a liberal trying to explain why he thinks the conservatives different from them, and vice versa.

What will eventually become clear is that the liberals and conservatives in fact do have fundamentally different approaches to epistemology. We both read scripture in different ways because we differ substantially in the way they think that something can be understood. The answer to the question of who is right and who is not right can be settled by analyzing the different approaches of the different camps.

This is overall a good thing because it opens up the possibility of being able to objectively assess the different approaches to understanding by the different camps and comparing them to the tradition. In other words how close is this particular camp in its way of reading srila prabhupada or shastra, how close are they to what the tradition actually describes. And you will probably find that one camp is closer to the tradition than the other.

It also opens up the possibility of finding one camp mostly close to the tradition but its approach to understanding could be adjusted a little more to bring it in line with tradition. It can also help determine whether a particular approach is just fundamentally at too far a distance from the tradition to be useful at all. So this is what an analytical approach to understanding liberal / conservative differences could bring to resolving some of the important issues at hand.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 4, 2014 @ 6:30 am

An Appointment with Mr. Death

Regarding #1

It is not Samarkand but Samarra:

The metaphor of “Having an appointment in Samarra”, signifying death, is a literary reference to an ancient Babylonian myth: Death is both the narrator and a central character, transcribed by W. Somerset Maugham. The story was titled “The Appointment in Samarra”, and subsequently formed the germ of the novel Appointment in Samarra by John O’Hara.

The title is a reference to W. Somerset Maugham’s retelling of an old story,[1] which appears as an epigraph for the novel: A merchant in Baghdad sends his servant to the marketplace for provisions. Shortly, the servant comes home white and trembling and tells him that in the marketplace he was jostled by a woman, whom he recognized as Death, and she made a threatening gesture. Borrowing the merchant’s horse, he flees at top speed to Samarra, a distance of about 75 miles (125 km), where he believes Death will not find him. The merchant then goes to the marketplace and finds Death, and asks why she made the threatening gesture. She replies, “That was not a threatening gesture, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Baghdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.”

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 8, 2014 @ 5:04 am

A life of spiritual transition in ISKCON. Varnasrama, ISKCON, and the GBC – video

Dear Dhanesvara Prabhu,

pamho agtsp

You are absolutely right. These two persons may not know anything about Varna Ashrama as they have admitted but that doesn’t mean no one does. So they should have chosen experts in the field to speak on the topic. And while I have put in a lot of time an effort since 1998 studying Varna Ashrama dharma I still look to HH Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami as the expert on the subject. Back in 1998 when I was just starting he was already giving extremely learned and detailed seminars on Daiva Varnaashrama Dharma. He knows more about the subject and how to implement it than any one else in or out of ISKCON. Aside from my own study, research and realizations I have learned a lot from him.

As for the importance and need for implementing dVAD in ISKCON see

dasa dasa anu dasa
Shyamasundara Dasa
krsne matirastu

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 24, 2014 @ 4:29 pm

A physician from the UK produces a film documentary of evidence for the historical existence of Krishna

While he gives some interesting information his dates are off by 30-40 years, that of course is significantly better than what the academics say. The date of Kali yuga is 3101 BC and it started after 36 years of maharaja Yudhisthira’s reign, the battle of Kurukshetra took place in 3037 BC not 3067 as stated in the article.

He says that Lord Krsna was about 55-60 during the battle but Srila Prabhupada says Lord Krsna was about 100 years old or older (I am doing this from memory so don’t hold me to any dates etc).

One thing that should be noted is that the earliest known astronomical observational data is that of the Babylonians and only goes back to the 8th century BC. This is verified by Ptolemy and other early sources. What this means is that anyone using modern astronomical algorithms is extrapolating back more than 2300 years past the earliest known observations and assuming that the calculated results they derive are accurate. Even a slight error will greatly magnify over the span of 2300 years. And of course there is the unstated assumption of “uniformanism” that everything everywhere in the universe and over time is always uniform and without variation, which simply is not true. No one knows what perturbations took place in those distant dates.

Varaha Mihira states in his Brhat Jataka that former Rishis recorded positions for the planets Mercury and Venus that were impossible in his (and our) era. So either the Rishis were imbeciles or something changed in the intervening 3000 years.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Jun 5, 2014 @ 2:31 am

The Return of a Cult Classic—Hare Krishnas are Back

Here are some important quotes from this article:

“Yes, Christianity and Islam may have the numbers, but Hare Krishna—the little sect that could—is winning the culture war.

‘Considering Hare Krishna’s relatively recent arrival in America, the extent of its infiltration is impressive. “Their religion hasn’t succeeded yet,” Atkin says, “but their ideas have.”’

This strongly suggests what we have always known that “purity is the force” not numbers, that is, popularity. That if we just stick to our principles we will have an unimaginable revolutionary effect on the ambient society. This is very much contrary to the position of those who have compromised their principles in a futile attempt to gain ephemeral popularity and by so doing undermined our mission and created internal divisions.

We either:

1 affect society


2 are affected by it.

I choose option 1.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On May 21, 2014 @ 4:51 pm

Ocean of Mercy: Bhakti Benefits for Doomed Cows?

In #47 BBD (who is bbd please reveal yourself?) wrote:

“1. It is widely accepted amongst the majority of respected scholars of indology, Sanskrit, and Vedic studies that the Manu Samhita and the dharma sastras have been heavily interpolated throughout the years and thus not intact in their original form. These interpolations are clearly identifiable and a plenty. Therefore, it is highly irrelevant to currently advocate a conclusive interpretation, or a practical application of the dharma sastras.”

So Srila Prabhupada is not respected as an authority in Vedic culture? He accepted Manu Samhita as an authority. So now we must instead take lessons from mundane scholars who also tell us that Krsna was just a tribal leader who somehow morphed into an incarnation of Visnu. That actually Visnu was not so important in the Vedas but rather Indra and Agni and somehow these old gods got forgotten and replaced by Visnu. Who also think that the Bhagavatam was written around 1000 AD, that the 1st and last khandas of the Ramayana are extra add-ons to make it look like Rama is God. Who propagate the Aryan Invasion myth. Who claim that the eternal Vedas were authored by men in 1200 BC. Who claim that there is no such thing as Kali yuga, that it was a fraud created by the “wiley” brahmanas who used Greek astronomy to back date a grand conjunction of planets in 3102 BC. That Vedic culture was from ancient times but is not current. That Vedic astronomy and astrology were imported into India in the 3rd century AD. Etc etc. The list of nonsensical opinions of such “respected scholars” fills whole libraries.

The whole enterprise of Indology was created with the sole objective of destroying Vedic culture and promote European colonialism and imperialism. Thus, I completely reject such “scholars” and authorities that you accept. I only accept Guru, Sadhu, and Sastra.

Our acaryas ancient and modern have all accepted Manu Samhita for a more lengthy discussion of this topic including how to deal with potential interpolations in Manu Samhita or any sastra see:

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 30, 2014 @ 12:10 pm

Part 2

SP also points out that being a vegetarian is also violence, so we best not get caught up on the issue of violence. Living in the material world by definition means violence.

Prabhupada: Ah, yes. Patram puspam phalam. He is asking very simple thing which everyone can offer. Just like a little leaf, patram; a little flower, puspam; a little fruit; and little liquid, either water or ghee, er, milk. So we offer that. We make different varieties with these ingredients, patram puspam phalam toyam [Bg. 9.26], and after Krsna’s eating, we take it. We are servant; we take the remnants of foodstuff left by Krsna. We are neither vegetarian nor nonvegetarian. We are prasad-ian. We don’t care for vegetable or not vegetable, because either you kill a cow or kill a vegetable, the sinful action is there. And according to nature’s law, it is said that “The animals which has no hand, that is the food for the animals with hands.” We are also animals with hands. We human being, we are also animal with hands, and they are animals-no hand but four legs. And there are animals which has no leg; that is vegetable. Apadani catus-padam [SB 1.13.47]. These animals which has no leg, they are food for the animals with four leg. Just like cow eats grass, the goat eats grass. So eating vegetable, there is no credit. Then the goats and the cows are more credit, have more credit, because they don’t touch anything except vegetable. So we are not preaching to become goats and cows. No. We are preaching that you become servant of Krsna. So whatever Krsna eats, we eat. If Krsna says that “Give me meat, give me eggs,” so we shall offer Krsna meat and eggs, and we shall take it. So don’t think that we are after vegetarian, nonvegetarian. No. That is not our philosophy. Because either you take vegetable or you take meat, you are killing. And you have to kill, because otherwise you cannot live. That is nature’s way.

Mr. Dixon: Yes.

Prabhupada: So we are not for that way.

Mr. Dixon: Well, why do you put the stricture on…

Prabhupada: Stricture in this way: no meat-eating, because cow protection is required. We require milk. And instead of taking milk, if we eat the cows, then where is milk?

Mr. Dixon: So milk is very important.

Prabhupada: Very, very important.

Room Conversation with Minister Dixon,
State Minister for Social Services,
Sport and Recreation,
State of Victoria Liberal Party

April 23, 1976, Melbourne

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 30, 2014 @ 6:32 am

Hare Krsna.

Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Bhakti vigna-vinasha Narasimhadeva Bhagavan kijaya!

Some commentators have suggested that Bg 9.26 refers only to water but not to milk. Others suggest that milk is not essential or important and can best be avoided etc..

In the following conversation between Srila Prabhupada and Mr. Dixon recorded April 23, 1976 in Melbourne that I heard today our Acarya, Srila Prabhupada, has pointed out that Bg 9.26 refers to any liquid including milk and then tells us that milk is “very very important” thus nullifying the argument that it is not essential.

In any case I have faith in Srila Prabhupada not others who have been influenced by demons who want to discourage milk consumption as pointed out in comment #36 quoting from SB 8.7.3 purport.

Your humble servant

Shyamasundara Dasa ACBSP
Krsne matirastu

The conversation will be in the next part.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 30, 2014 @ 6:24 am

Dear Muralivadaka Prabhu,

Hare Krsna.

Thank you again for your excellent comments #39-44 for the benefit to all lovers of clear thinking.

Regarding your comment to me in #45 in regards to Manu Samhita and its applicability to Vaisnavas and ISKCON. Srimad Bhagavatam tells us that Manu Samhita gives the laws for regulating Varna Asrama Dharma:

“All the Manus offered their prayers as follows: As Your order carriers, O Lord, we, the Manus, are the law-givers for human society, but because of the temporary supremacy of this great demon, Hiranyakasipu, our laws for maintaining varnasrama-dharma were destroyed. O Lord, now that You have killed this great demon, we are in our normal condition. Kindly order us, Your eternal servants, what to do now.” SB 7.8.48

It is also one of the texts mentioned by Rupa Goswami that must be followed to prevent so called Bhakti from becoming a disturbance in society.

Manu Samhita is written in such a way that it is accepted by all classes of followers of the Vedas. For example when it speaks of the “supreme destination” karma kandis take it to mean svarga, smartas to mean kaivalya, and Vaisnavas to mean Vaikuntha.

HH Bhakti Vidya Purna Svami has given a very in depth series of lectures on the Manu Samhita with explicit focus on how and which parts of it are applicable to Vaisnavas and ISKCON in particular.

The recorded lectures can be found here


» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 29, 2014 @ 10:35 am

In #32 Muralivadaka Prabhu quoted this letter by Srila Prabhupada:

“We do not want all these rituals. Chanting Hare Krishna is our only business. According to the Manu-samhita you are all mlecchas and yavanas. You cannot touch the Manu-samhita, what to speak of translating it. So if you try to follow the Manu-samhita then you become a mleccha and yavana and your career is finished.” (letter to Madhusudana prabhu 5/19/77)

I personally contacted Madhusudana Prabhu about the context of that letter and he said it was a time and place thing not applicable to everyone. Hence this letter can not be taken as a tool to invalidate the Manu Samhita.

For more details see this text

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 24, 2014 @ 4:06 am

Excellent comments by Murlivadaka Prabhu.

I would like to change the perspective. Imagine in your mind’s eye if you were in a slave labor camp and destined to die but you had some small gift (a result of your slave labor) that you could give as an offering to the Lord in the temple. Would you want the devotees to take it or would you want them to refuse it in principle as an objection to your current situation. In either case you die. If they accept it you go back to Godhead, if they reject it you stay in samsara but they made their political statement.

Which would you prefer?

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Apr 24, 2014 @ 3:59 am

How Could Sri Rama Do That To His Pregnant Wife?

Many people have difficulty understanding why Rama exiled Sita to the forest. In 2003-4 I was looking through the Padma Purana and came across an explanation of this lila. I don’t have Padma Purana with me at this time so what I am now saying is from memory and subject to error in the details, nor can I give you the exact citation. Having said that the Padma purana says that once when she was a young girl Sita and Urmila and other playmates heard some parrots singing songs and chanting mantras about someone called Rama and His adventures. Sita heard her own name being mentioned. She became extremely curious to find out what this was all about. So she and her friends caught the parrots and asked them who this Rama they were singing about was? The parrots said “We don’t don’t know anything, we just sit in the trees near the ashrama of Valmiki muni and all day they are chanting these songs and we as parrots just repeat what we hear.” This didn’t exactly satisfy Sita who said “I am going to put you in a cage and wait and see if this Rama fellow Who you describe actually comes.” The parrots become very agitated at the thought of being caged and protested “we have always lived free in the sky please don’t cage us.” Sita partially relented and grabbed the female parrot and put her in the cage saying “ok I will only put one of you in the cage not both.” The female parrot became highly aggrieved at being separated from her mate and cursed Sita thusly “You have separated me from my mate while I am pregnant. You too will also be separated from your husband when you become pregnant.” Then the female parrot died. The male parrot on seeing his wife caged and then dying swooned and fell down into a pool of water and drowned and was reborn as the dhobi in the city of Ayodhya whose wife was unchaste.

Of course Mother Sita doesn’t have to accept a curse especially of a parrot, but just like Citraketu Maharaja and other great personalities have done in the past She accepted it to further a greater plan.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:48 pm

The Ebb and Flow of History

Dear Pustakrsna Prabhu,

Hare Krsna. Since 1980 there has been a huge amount of work done that seriously undermines the work of Western Indologists — a group who continue the goals of European Imperialists, that being, to suppress Indian culture so that they could continue to rationalize their exploitation of India.

Several books have come out that demonstrate Western Academes intent to distort history and the Vedic worldview for less than savory reasons.

“India, once a major civilizational and economic power that suffered centuries of decline, is now newly resurgent in business, geopolitics and culture. However, a powerful counterforce within the American Academy is systematically undermining core icons and ideals of Indic Culture and thought. For instance, scholars of this counterforce have disparaged the Bhagavad Gita as ‘a dishonest book … “

“Invading the Sacred”

As for the dating of the Vedas and the division of literary composition and language into neat cycles of 200 years such that, tracing back, Max Muller concluded that the Vedas were composed in 1200 BC; has also been shown to be nonsense (by Winternitz and others) and that even Muller when questioned said was not true. He eventually admitted that it was impossible to know the date of origin of the Vedas it could be 3000 BC or 6000 BC there was no way of knowing. But, for political reasons his date of 1200 BC became popular. In this way the Western Eurocentric scholars did everything they could possible to do to make Vedic civilization as recent as possible.

Here is a university lecture by Hrdayananda Goswami in which he demonstrates the political and religious bias of the Indologists who created the untruths that are taught in school as knowledge.

Much of this lecture is based on “The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture: The Indo-Aryan Migration Debate”

Another good source

The current teaching of Indic subjects is heavily fraught with Western centric political and religious bias and would be akin but not as extreme as trying to learn Judaism from the Nazis.

dasa dasa nu dasa

Shyamasundara Dasa

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

Vaisnava Prabhu presents the standard well documented hypothesis for how Zoroastrianism, a Vedic heterodoxy, strongly influenced all three Abrahamic religions (Judasm, Christianity and Islam) with its concept of radical dualism (God vs Satan).

Damodar Prasada Prabhu asks whether or not an argument can be made for paramount Egyptian influence on the Abrahamic religions and Hellenic beliefs.

Of course people do argue about any and all topics but in this case there is very little if any influence of Egyptian religious beliefs on the Abrahamic religions. For one thing it is self evident that Egyptian religion was polytheistic which is anathema to the Abrahamic religions.

There was more sharing between the Egyptians and the Greeks. Herodotus tells us that the Greeks learned the names of the theoi (gods) from the Egyptians. And Philostratus tells us that the Greeks learned philosophy from the Egyptians, and the Egyptians learned it from the Ethiopians, and that the Ethiopians originally came from India! Strabo wrote in his Indika that “if you want to know what Indians look like, they look like Ethiopians.”

So according to them there is a connection between India and Egypt and Greece via Ethiopia. Ethiopia is directly across the Arabian sea from South India and there has always been a flourishing maritime trade between India and the Mediterranean throughout ancient history with only a few short periods of hiatus.

If we take this at face value then India influenced the Abrahamic religions via Zoroastrianism, and the Greeks and Romans via the Egyptian-Ethiopian nexus.

If we want to go even further then we consider that at the age of 12 Jesus and family moved to Alexandria and was not of heard of again till age 30. What did he do for 18 years? It so happened that Alexandria was the western terminus of the Rome-India trade route. Every year Roman gold was shipped down the Nile to a point where it got close to the Red sea and it was then transported overland to the port of Berenice and then scores of ships would then sail down the Red sea and follow the monsoon winds and reach the coast of S India. There are some who claim that Jesus took that trade route and lived in India for a long time. This can not be proven.

But it is an incontestable fact that his disciple St Thomas took this very same route and established Christianity in Kerala and later died near Chennai. Who inspired him to make the trip?

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Sep 21, 2013 @ 11:09 am

Srila Prabhupada on the secret policy of British to cut down Vedic civilization

I have to agree with Akruranatha. There is already so much obvious evidence of British mischief in India that there is no need to invent and fabricate evidence. To do so is a combination of intellectual dishonesty and tactical stupidity. To present false statements as truth simply gives your opponents ammunition to use against you and divert attention from actual facts. Just stick to known facts especially in this case when there are truckloads of facts to substantiate the British strategy to subvert India. As Benjamin Franklin would say “Honesty is the best policy.”

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Jul 19, 2013 @ 6:12 am

I have absolutely no doubts that, as Srila Prabhupada says, the British used psychological warfare to subvert Indian culture. There is abundant proof of this if one does proper research.

However, this article is prefaced by a spurious quote by Lord Macaulay. I say spurious because it never happened, it is a hoax that has been floating around the internet for years. For example he was not in Britain but in India during that time, and India was already a subjugated nation not one needing to be conquered.

For more details see

You could also search for the string “”I have travelled across the length and breadth of India” on your favorite search engine and see what comes up in the SERPs.

dasa dasa anu dasa

Shyamasundara Dasa (ACBSP)

krsne matirastu

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Jul 12, 2013 @ 8:15 pm

Manu Samhita/Smriti with Six Commentaries


BVT continued.

11. What is the difference between Sat-kriya-sara-dipika and the smrti composed by the karmis?
To protect the constitutional duties of the devotees, Srimad Gopala Bhatta Gosvami composed the book Sat-kriya-sara-dipika. According to Vedic injunctions, Aniruddha Bhatta, Bhima Bhatta, and Srimad Govindananda Bhatta wrote separate smrtis for the karmis. Sri Narayana Bhatta also wrote a book about the injunctions of the smrtis for the karmis, and Sri Bhavadeva Bhatta wrote a similar book for persons who are fond of Vedic rituals. The Sat-kriya-sara-dipika was composed from authentic statements of the Vedas, Puranas, and dharma-sastras, headed by the Manu-samhita. After carefully considering the subject of nama-aparadha, and rejecting the process of worshiping the forefathers and the demigods, Srimad Gopala Bhatta Gosvami wrote Sat-kriya-sara-dipika for the benefit of the devotees of Govinda who are either outcastes or situated on the platform of varnasrama. (Bhaktivinode Vani Vaibhava 36)

Jiva Gosvami in his Tattva Sandharba 12.2 quotes Manu and Mahabharata as major authorities.

“This is why the Mahabharata (Adi-parva 1.267) and Manusamhita state, “One should complement one’s understanding of the Vedas with the help of the ltihasas and Puranas.” And elsewhere it is stated, “The Puranasa are called by that name because they complete.” It is not possible to “complete” or explain the meaning of the Vedas with something that is not Vedic in nature, just as it is improper to finish an incomplete gold bracelet with lead.”

In conclusion is clear that we are supposed to apply Manu Samhita to our life. To get a good understanding of Manu Samhita and how it applies to Daiva Varnashrama Dharma HH Bhakti Vidyapurna Swami has given many seminars and courses on it and you can download and listen to them at this location

If one is concerned that some texts in Manu regarding caste by birth have been interpolated then as Vallabhacarya has suggested one should resort to the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam and if there is a contradiction then the later texts should be accepted.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:25 pm

part 5

Regarding Bhaktivinode’s Krsna Samhita, if any text needs to be approached with great caution it is not Manu Samhita but Krsna Samhita. This text was written for a very specific audience, the Bhadraloka of late 19th century Bengal. It was an experiment by BVT in his earliest preaching days and he never repeated it. So to take a quote from this text without seeing what else BVT wrote on the subject is a formal for disaster

BVT wrote:

“”The Manu-samhita and other dharma-sastras written down by other great sages are smrti-sastras, corollaries written in pursuance of the original sruti-sastras known as the Vedas, which are eternal transcendental sound directly manifested from the Supreme Lord, Sri Krsna, and are thus absolutely self-perfected and free of mundane defect. Being corollaries in pursuance of the directions of the Vedas, the dharma-sastras are held in high esteem, just as the law books defining authorized and unauthorized actions in human society are similarly highly regarded throughout civilized society.” Jaiva Dharma chapter 3

`The sattvika-vaisnava-puranas, the religious laws of Manu, the six schools of Vedic philosophy, and the entire literature and medical science of the Vedas are the four perfected subjects directly spoken by the Supreme Lord. In an attempt to distort their clear and primary purport no one must challenge or debate upon these topics.’ Jaiva Dharma chapter 18

“5. Are the conclusions of a bona fide acarya and an unauthorized acarya the same?
After carefully discussing the Vedas and the Vedanta-sutras, the acaryas have drawn two kinds of conclusions. Srimat Sankaracarya preached the philosophy of monism based on the conclusions put forth by the sages like Dattatreya, Astavakra, and Durvasa. This is one kind of conclusion. The Vaisnava acaryas preach the science of pure devotional service based on the conclusion put forth by the great souls like Narada, Prahlada, Dhruva, and Manu. This is other kind of conclusion.
(Sri Manah-siksa Chapter 9)


» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

part 4

Baladeva Vidya Bhusana says:

“”If matter were accepted as the original cause of creation, all the authorized scriptures in the world would be useless, for in every scripture, especially the Vedic scriptures like the Manu-smrti, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is said to be the ultimate creator. The Manu-smrti is considered the highest Vedic direction to humanity. Manu is the giver of law to mankind, and in the Manu-smrti it is clearly stated that before the creation the entire universal space was darkness, without information and without variety, and was in a state of complete suspension, like a dream. Everything was darkness. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then entered the universal space, and although He is invisible, He created the visible cosmic manifestation. In the material world the Supreme Personality of Godhead is not manifested by His personal presence, but the presence of the cosmic manifestation in different varieties is the proof that everything has been created under His direction. He entered the universe with all creative potencies, and thus He removed the darkness of the unlimited space. … If one tries to nullify the conclusions of the Vedas by accepting an unauthorized scripture or so-called scripture, it will be very hard for him to come to the right conclusion about the Absolute Truth. The system for adjusting two contradictory scriptures is to refer to the Vedas, for references from the Vedas are accepted as final judgments. When we refer to a particular scripture, it must be authorized, and for this authority it must strictly follow the Vedic injunctions. If someone presents an alternative doctrine he himself has manufactured, that doctrine will prove itself useless, for any doctrine that tries to prove that Vedic evidence is meaningless immediately proves itself meaningless. The followers of the Vedas unanimously accept the authority of Manu and Parasara in the disciplic succession.” CC1.6.14-15 purport

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

part 3

Sri Sukadeva was an ideal personality and spiritual master of the entire world. As soon as he completed his study with Vyasadeva, he set out to bestow mercy on all living entities. From the external point of view the return of paramahamsa Sri Sukadeva to the royal assembly of Pariksit and his association with Suuta Gosvami may create apparent contradictions, but according to the considerations of paramahamsas, these were pure standards of behavior. One who does not accept this commits an offence at the feet of the spiritual master.”

And when we read the whole of the Brahmana Vaisnava debate BSST is not condemning dharma sastras like Manu nor is he advocating that we not follow dharma. BSST himself was a very moral and upright person who strictly followed dharma and was the one who pushed the principle that “purity is the force.”

There is actually a concordance that shows verses from Manu that are found in the Srimad Bhagavatam for example MS 2.215 and SB 9.19.17.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

part 2

There are numerous similar statements that are in direct contradiction to what Hari Parshad.

Regarding other acarya like Srila Bhakti Siddhanta and Bhaktivine Thakura we understand through Srila Prabhupada if we want to get the right understanding. And since it clear that Srila Prabhupada often quoted Manu Samhita as the Law Books for mankind that his stand is the same as the previous acaryas.

Still we would like to point that Hari Parshad has taken the quote of BSST from the appendix of the Brahmana and Vaisnava debate out of context. First we should note that BSST quotes or mentions Manu 24 times in that text mostly as supporting evidence to substantiate his position. If Manu is wrong why would BSST use it as supporting evidence? When we read the text surrounding the small snippet provided by Hari Parshad the true meaning manifests itself. This text is in regards to Sukadeva Gosvami who was a paramahamsa and not obliged to follow Manu Samhita and Varnashrama dharma. Others who are bewildered by the material energy, that means us, do have to follow it.

“According to the injunction na prakatatvam iha bhakta janasya paçyet—“a devotee should not be seen from a materialistic point of view,” the disciplic succession from Vyasadeva does not consider that spiritual masters are burnt in the blazing fire of material existence. The nature of the material world is that whether one’s son is honest or dishonest, everyone should give up the worship of Hari, cry out “O my son!” and forget Krsna. But the similar expression displayed by Vyasa is simply to increase the ignorance of the mundane fruitive workers and bewilder them. Actually Sukadeva was a great Vaisnava and a renounced paramahamsa. Remaining aloof from his association is not acceptable to Vyasa and his descendants. In order to convince the materialists of this fact, such a pastime was enacted by Sri Vyasadeva. The pastimes of Sri Sanatana Gosvami suffering pain from boils and Sri Krsnacandra being hit by the arrow of a hunter named Uddhava were both enacted to increase the illusion of ignorant people. It is to be understood that the propagation of Mayavada philosophy by Sri Mahadeva and the propagation through Manu of social religious scriptures by Lord Brahmä were both meant for bewildering unqualified people.


» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:10 pm

This text has many problems. First of all if Manu samhita is so bad why is he sharing it with us?

Hari Parshad says:
“who state often that the Hari-bhakti-vilasa is the de-facto smriti literature for a vaishnava society.”

Hari Bhakti Vilasa is not a substitute for Manu Samhita. Manu Samhita is a dharma sastra, while Hari Bhaktivilasa is a Pancaratrika text. They serve two different purpose and are not interchangeable.

Hari Parshad says:

“The application of the Manu Smriti has been discouraged many times by our acharyas as seen in the following quotes:”

This is simply not true. There are about 53 hits in the Veda base to the word “Manu Samhita” all of them positive. Hari Parshad mistakenly says that Srila Prabhupada and other acaryas say that we should not implement them in society but this is the exact opposite of what Srila Prabhupada says. In the purport to Bhagavad-gita 2.21 SP states that it is “the lawbook for mankind.” Laws are meant to be followed not just studied.

In BG 3.21 purport SP writes:

“A teacher must follow the principles of sastra (scripture) to reach the common man. The teacher cannot manufacture rules against the principles of revealed scriptures. The revealed scriptures, like Manu-samhita and similar others, are considered the standard books to be followed by human society. Thus the leader’s teaching should be based on the principles of the standard rules as they are practiced by the great teachers.” Here again SP says that they are to be followed, which means to apply the rules of Manu.

And specifically in his purport to BG 16.7 SP describes the modern concept of womanly life (feminism) as demonic and instead we should follow the dictates of Manu Samhita.

In his purport to SB 1.9.27 SP writes “Actually the qualified brahmanas are meant to give direction to the kings for proper administration in terms of the scriptures like the Manu-samhita and Dharma-sastras of Parasara.”

In purport to SB 2.1.36 SP writes “The Manu-samhita is the standard lawbook for humanity, and every human being is advised to follow this great book of social knowledge.”

“Thus there is no peace in the world. The conclusion is that if we want real peace and order in the human society, we must follow the principles laid down by the Manu-samhita and confirmed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna.” SB7.8.48 purport


» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Aug 6, 2013 @ 5:07 pm

Antyesti Samskara — The last rites (Vedic funeral rites)

I didn’t say it was from Sat-kriya-sara-dipika, I also read the introduction which said that Gopala Bhatta Gosvami didn’t include it in that text because it is customary in most sampradaya’s not to include Antyesti Samskara along with other samskaras.

This text is based on elements of Gopala Bhatta’s Samskara-dipika that would be applicable to non-sannyasis along with common funeral practices mentioned in the sastras compiled by Srila Kesava Maharaja, disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Jun 10, 2013 @ 10:35 am

Original Sanskrit Names Of Places

The vast majority of these, with a few exceptions like Kandhar, Singapore Caspian Sea are completely bogus and spring from the fertile imagination of people like P.N. Oak.

To illustrate Rome was named after its founder Romulus, Assyria was named after the goddess Ashur, France after the Franks a Germanic tribe, Milan from the latin Mediolanum, Rhodesia was named after the Englishman Cecil Rhodes, the list goes on.

As Walter Clark said: “… by popular but antiquated discussions in the pursuit of will-o’-the-wisps of etymologies. Anything can be proved by the judicious use of etymologies and the fortuitous resemblances of words from different languages.”

This text is an embarrassment and should never have seen the light of day on Dandavatas.

Dasa dasa anu dasa

Shyamasundara Dasa

krsne matirastu

The Sandalwood and Peacocks of Ophir by Walter Eugene Clark from The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Jan.,1920), pp. 103-119 Published by: The University of Chicago Press

» Posted By Shyamasundara Dasa On Mar 3, 2013 @ 8:52 am

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