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Can A Disciple Advance Only As Much As One’s Guru?

Below is a purport by Srila Prabhupada were he states that a disciple can be more advance than his guru and take the guru back to godhead.

SB 4.12.33 - Dhruva Maharaja goes Back to Godhead

TRANSLATION
The great associates of Vaikunthaloka, Nanda and Sunanda, could understand the mind of Dhruva Maharaja, and thus they showed him that his mother, Suniti, was going forward in another plane.

PURPORT
This incident proves that the siksa- or diksa-guru who has a disciple who strongly executes devotional service like Dhruva Maharaja can be carried by the disciple even though the instructor is not as advanced. Although Suniti was an instructor to Dhruva Maharaja, she could not go to the forest because she was a woman, nor could she execute austerities and penances as Dhruva Maharaja did. Still, Dhruva Maharaja was able to take his mother with him. Similarly, Prahlada Maharaja also delivered his atheistic father, Hiranyakasipu. The conclusion is that a disciple or an offspring who is a very strong devotee can carry with him to Vaikunthaloka either his father, mother or siksa- or diksa-guru. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura used to say, “If I could perfectly deliver even one soul back home, back to Godhead, I would think my mission — propagating Krsna consciousness — to be successful.” The Krsna consciousness movement is spreading now all over the world, and sometimes I think that even though I am crippled in many ways, if one of my disciples becomes as strong as Dhruva Maharaja, then he will be able to carry me with him to Vaikunthaloka.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 27.02.2013 @ 10:48

Double-voice amplification kirtans in Iskcon Mayapur

In response to comment #22, from servantofservant, yes, you can find another sadhu who disagrees as is evident on this blog. As I said, I gave the reasons I made my initial comment way up on #5.

Also, if you were following the thread you would have read where I quoted “no hard in fast rules”. So, due to the limit on characters per blog entry, I simply said “siksatikm” for quoting sastra. I thought those who have been following the blog would not need to see the verse.

I’ve already responded to servanofservant other points in comment #23 (before his comments were posted).

I do better discussing in person or taking a few days preparing a paper. Blogs are difficult for me. I’ll get better with time.

Still, I don’t agree that we should ban double mic kirtans because it is against the foundation of attentive hearing and responding in kirtan. And, that is because I don’t agree with foundation.

Turning down the volume, choosing better kirtan leaders (they know when to double mic), controlling the instruments will solve the problem of kirtan performance.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 09.05.2011 @ 13:03

In response to comment #21 by gracenote108, none of us are 100% wrong or any of us 100% correct. We are voicing our realizations on this subject which brings light from different angles of vision.

This is a blog which means we are speaking quickly as compared to writing a dissertation on the subject. So, we have to give the blogger a little leeway for mistakes or not making clear points. If we were speaking in-person, we would correct ourselves as we discuss. With a dissertation, we can take more time and other opinions to make our points perfect.

After reading all the responses, I can see how the others could be correct from the angles they are presenting. I just don’t like that the argument to stop double mic kirtan is based on what is being presented as the foundation of kirtan, “attentive hearing and responding.” I’ve always performed it in the mood of pleasing the deities. I can see arguing that it is not pleasurable for the audience or the deities because it is a “personal show”.

I feel that chanting the holy name falls under four basic practices: japa, kirtan, sankirtan, and bhajans. They all have different foundations with principles shared by all of them. Japa is attentive hearing and chanting, sankirtan is for the benefit of the non-devotees, kirtan for the pleasure of the deities, and bhajans deities and homes.

Again, my opinion which I can’t back with guru, sastra, and sadhu at the moment. I don’t have time to find the evidence. This is me speaking openly.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 08.05.2011 @ 02:30

In response to comment #16

“This is the actual meaning of ‚Äúno hard and fast rules‚ÄĚ according to our acaryas. Many devotees misunderstand this point because they are not verifying their own conclusions with guru, sadhu, and sastra.”

Here is why I made the comment:

Sadhu:
I had this discussion with his HH Sivarama Swami at the 2010 24 hour kirtan at New Vrindavan. He agreed with the principle that 10 offense are more important in japa than kirtan and that Siksastikam point of “no hard in fast rules” applies to kirtan.

Sastra: Siksastikam

Guru:
Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur explains the offense of inattentive chanting in his Harinam Cintamani:

I will quote the last paragraph do to space constraints of this blog. He says before the last paragraph how all offenses are rooted in this one. Because we are attracted to material objects we commit this offense. And, if we follow Vaisnava etiquette, ekadasi, our basic sadhana bhakti we will overcome this offense. And then he makes this last comment:

“One should thus never be inattentive to complete one’s prescribed number of daily rounds. This should be noted day by day. When chanting these prescribed rounds, one should avoid the different types of inattentiveness. Giving up the desire to increase the number of rounds for show, one should attempt to first concentrate nicely on what one can manage. Therefore, the devotee starts by chanting with full concentration in a peaceful place for a short time. He will always be praying to the Lord that he will chant clear, attentive rounds with the mind fixed on K√•√Ī√ęa; for on one’s own one cannot accomplish anything. Krsna‚Äės grace is necessary to cross the ocean of material existence. Being anxious in heart, one should beg for mercy, and because Krsnaa is merciful, He will help. Whoever does not try for that mercy is very unfortunate.”

You will not find him saying “we must not be inattentive in kirtan. You must hear the leader and respond with full attention”. If that is the foundation, then we should not use any instruments or dance. We should sit and give attention like in japa.

Srila Prabhupada responded to a question about ‘How can we attract the karmis to our harinam?”. He said you simple try to please Krsna with your kirtan. Then, everyone will be please. Just as you pour water on the root of a tree all the leaves and branches are satisfied.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 03.05.2011 @ 14:12

In reply to comment #5, “This style of kirtan fundamentally opposes the very foundation of kirtan: attentive hearing and chanting. No? “

Attentive hearing and chanting is a principle of japa, not kirtan or sankirtan. Siksastikam states “There are no hard and fast rules for chanting the Holy Name.” One of the rules for japa states “it is an offense to be inattentive while chanting.”

Kirtan is more beneficial and powerful than japa, param vijayata sri krsna sankirtan. Therefore, even meat eaters taste the sweetness when they contact it.

The taste derived from japa is more difficult because it dependent upon the offenses you commit while chanting.

That is why even though the kirtan is not performed perfectly (musically proper, too loud, meat eaters present, etc) you see most people dancing, smiling, and blissed out during it’s performance.

ys,
Sikhi Mahiti das

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 24.04.2011 @ 13:50

I think the problem is the sound system volume is too high. Even if only one person chants in the mic, you need earplugs.

I personally don’t have a problem with double mic. We do it in Atlanta sometimes. I’ve seen Radhanatha Swami do it in Alachua. He handed the mic for me to respond. But, the volume was not so high on the sound system.

One man’s taste is another man’s poison. A lot of devotees don’t like trumpets, saxophones, accordions, etc in kirtan. And, you can say that those instruments were not used 500 years ago. And, Srila Prabhupada did instruct not to use harmonium during kirtan. So, that would seem to imply don’t use an accordion.

What to do? To each their own. ISKCON is big enough to facilitate all tastes.

ys,
Sikhi Mahiti das

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 20.04.2011 @ 01:38

Sri Sri Krishna Balarama Installation Alachua

All glories to the devotees of the Alachua Community!

It is nice to see some positive developments in ISKCON North America. I remember visiting Alachua during Pankajanghari das bhramacari’s visit when the plans of the building construction and deity installation was discussed with this “greatest of pujaris.” You could tell then that this was going to happen and whatever obstacles that appear would be overcome. I made my mind up to attend that day. I knew this would be a grand moment when many devotees would come together to participate in the installation and first worship of Their Lordships.

Of course, my fate is I am always “a day late and a dollar short”. I was unable to attend. My heart has been broken by the fact that I couldn’t be apart of the celebration. I couldn’t even watch any of the live video online (I think Krsna.com was overwhelmed with site visitors or our internet just decide not to cooperate that day).

I do plan to attend the observance of Lord Balarama’s appearance day in Alachua this year. I’m sure the management is aware a lot of devotees will come from outside the community. It is nice to see that an additional North American place of pilgrimage is manifesting.

Now, someone needs to build a guest house so the visitors can stay awhile : )

ys,
Sikhi Mahiti das

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 07.06.2010 @ 14:49

Literary Triumph

Dear Patita Pavana das Adhikary
PAMHO AGTSP

Beautiful article! I almost didn’t read it because it was so long. We are very fortunate that Hari Sari prabhu and TKG kept diaries and presented there contents.

I joined the movement in 1974. I had a personal ambition to become Srila Prabhupada’s servant for at least a few days. Of course, the movement was well established by that time, and there was no way I could advance fast enough to be able to serve Srila Prabhupada in that way. But, I had a dream.

After reading Hari Sauri’s accounts, I now realize that I would not have been able to serve Srila Prabhupada as one of His staff members. I would not have been able to handle the pressure and probably blooped. Hari Saura wrote about how once he was so sick he couldn’t give Srila Prabhupada his massage. So, he brought in another devotee who was so nervous that his hands were shaking. Hari Sauri had to send the devotee away and give Prabhupada his massage.

I asked Brahmananda prabhu once - “why are the same devotees in all the pictures of Srila Prabhupada. Didn’t all the GBC members act as His secretary?” He said that Srila Prabhupada was very strict and only a handful could handle the pressure of serving him personally on a daily bases.

Lord Krsna knows what we can and can’t handle in the name of devotional service. I was better at distributing Back to Godhead magazines on the streets of Chicago.

Thanks again for your wonderful article on the history of the diaries of Srila Prabhupada.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 08.03.2009 @ 17:40

How nectar flowed in Alachua Prabhupada Marathon

Sankirtan yajna ki jai!

Thanks to all the devotees in Alachua for distributing books this marathon. A special thanks to the local leaders (GBC, TP, TVP) for taking time to go out during the marathon. When the Temple leaders and Senior devotees go out, that encourages everyone else to perform the sacrifice of book distribution. Please continue posting reports from your monthly marathon regularly. They are encouraging.

It is enlivening to see Divyanga prabhu take up the charge and lead the book distribution. He is a book distributor from the old days. He was part of the famous 1975 marathon in Chicago when thousands of big books were distributed in one day.

My body is older and becoming weak. I am burden by financial crisis. But, we must overcome all these obstacles and keep the book distribution flowing. It is the most effective means to awaken Krsna Consciousness in the masses of people.

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 17.01.2009 @ 21:49

Radharaman Rides Silver Elephant

Dear Deena Bandhu prabhu,

Thanks for posting the photos and article. I’m not able to visit Sri Vrindavan dham and have only had two short visits in 31 years. I love seeing and reading any nectar you post, thanks.

There is a lingering question I have about Sri Radharamana. From what I understand, their is a Gomati chakra, cows eye stone, that is keep next to Sri Radharaman. This stone is worshiped as Srimate Radharani. Can you clarify if Radha is worshiped with Sri Radharaman and how? Or, any other devotee who knows the answer may respond also.

Thanks!

Comment Posted By Sikhi Mahiti das acbsp On 11.10.2008 @ 15:21


 


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