Comments Posted By Swami B. A. Ashram
Displaying 1 To 3 Of 3 Comments
I’m always happy to see how Ksudhi prabhu has kept himself engaged in recent years. I met him on a long train ride in India in 1980, and he and I spent much of the ride discussing with a religion professor from Cambridge or Oxford (it was a long time ago). I’m particularly struck by his recounting Srila Prabhupada’s response to Ksudhi’s assertion that going to Africa would increase his service to Srila Prabhupada: âService to Lord Caitanya, service to Lord Caitanya, service to Lord Caitanya.â Just see the breadth and depth of his vision. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Comment Posted By Swami B. A. Ashram On 14.02.2014 @ 12:41
Basu Ghosh das wrote: “Prabhupada told Prof. OâConnel [room conversation @ Toronto, June â76] that female gurus were extremely rare & Jahnava Devi âdid not declareâ [herself as guru].”
For the record, here is what Srila Prabhupada actually said, after making it clear that there’s no essential distinction between men and women in our movement, to the extent that women could be panditas:
Prof. O’Connell: Is it possible, Swamiji, for a woman to be a guru in the line of disciplic succession?
Prabhupada: Yes. Jahnava devi was-Nityananda’s wife. She became. If she is able to go to the highest perfection of life, why it is not possible to become guru? But, not so many. Actually one who has attained the perfection, she can become guru. But man or woman, unless one has attained the perfection…. Yei krsna-tattva-vetta sei guru haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. The qualification of guru is that he must be fully cognizant of the science of Krsna. Then he or she can become guru. Yei krsna-tattva-vetta, sei guru haya. [break] In our material world, is it any prohibition that woman cannot become professor? If she is qualified, she can become professor. What is the wrong there? She must be qualified. That is the position. So similarly, if the woman understands Krsna consciousness perfectly, she can become guru.
Comment Posted By Swami B. A. Ashram On 28.12.2012 @ 17:04
Phalini wrote, âTraditionally, we see only male gurus giving diksha. The women in our line who initiated others during the time of Lord Caitanya were most likely giving harinam initiation, which is not actually diksha.â
Traditionally, there are many examples of women giving diksa. Phaliniâs suggestion that women who initiated during Mahaprabhuâs time only gave harinama, not mantra diksa, is nothing more than speculation, as she admits by qualifying it with âmost likely.â On what basis would anyone make such an assertion? Such guesswork doesnât help her argument; rather, it weakens it.
In fact, there is no evidence that women initiating disciples during or subsequent to Mahaprabhuâs time gave only harinama. In fact, examining Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakuraâs diksa patra shows three women, aside from Jahnava Thakurani, in the third, fourth, and fifth positions back from Bhaktivinoda Thakura. These women certainly gave their disciples both sacred mantra and transcendental knowledge.
I donât want readers to think that I submit this to denigrate Phalini in any way. My family was friends with hers when we lived in California in the â80s, and I remember her and her husband fondly as dedicated servants of our beloved spiritual master. However, I havenât seen anyone address this point in her argument yet, and I think itâs a mistake to let it go unquestioned.
There is considerably more to say on this issue, and I may do so soon, when I have some time.
Comment Posted By Swami B. A. Ashram On 08.12.2012 @ 18:24