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*Of course* Srila Prabhupada would prefer gays and lesbians to stick to one relationship rather than sleep with a different tree every night! *Of course* Srila Prabhupada would want us to encourage gays and lesbians to chant Hare Krsna, offer their food to Krsna, and visit the Lord in His temple! I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise. But the union of man and woman within the institution of marriage is specifically meant for the gradual purification of conditioned souls attached to the opposite sex. There is no provision in sastra for a common-law ashram for the purification of conditioned souls attached in other ways. To try to adapt the grhastha ashram to suit a homosexual situation will not yield the desired result because it is not sanctioned by sastra. As Krsna-kirti Prabhu recently commented, you cannot pick and choose sastric injunctions, make kichari out of them, and expect to come up with the real thing. It is simply another trick of maya.

If we are born with one leg instead of two, there is nothing we can do about it. We have to face our infirmity and accept the fact that we’ll never be able to run for the Olympics. Our previous karma is responsible for our present state of existence. As someone previously commented, homosexuality is a perversion of the perversion of our pure love for Krsna, and as Amara das pointed out, persons in that category did have a place in Vedic society. In the same way today, I suggest that homosexuals determined to pursue homosexual relationships rather than a life of celibacy do have their place in the society of devotees, but not in leadership positions such as teachers, pujaris, GBCs, gurus, temple presidents, etc. A person born as a homosexual may not be able to change his or her situation in this lifetime, but the choice is there to live a life of celibacy and purify oneself in that way. Then, no one would object to such a person being in a position of leadership. It is common knowlege in ISKCON that several of Srila Prabhupada’s early disciples were homosexual and that Srila Prabhupada knew about it. But because they were living celibate lives (at least we thought they all were!), it was not an issue. But gay unions, although perhaps sanctioned in the kama-sutra, are not sanctioned in the upasana- khanda of the Vedas, and therefore we cannot sanction them either. Srila Prabhupada was very clear on the matter. Just the way he ridiculed and fumed about the way Christianity was condoning homosexuality is pointed proof that we are not allowed to legalize such relationships. It’s hard to be a second-class citizen, but it’s not the society’s fault. It’s a matter of personal karma. Still, karma is not eternal. After one has purified oneself through the proper methods enjoined in the bhakti-sastras, one will be accepted as a bonafide Vaisnava brahmana, regardless of one’s birth and previous activities. And in the meantime, if we need the comfort of a sexual relationship to keep going, then we will have to be satisfied with a second-class status and keep chanting: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Kalau nasty eva, nasty eva, nasty eva gatir anyatha.

N.B. Whether we use the word “gay unions,” “gay marriages,” or “gay monogamy,” the meaning is the same, really. There is no point in arguing the point, which is to gain some official recognition

Visakha Priya (dd) GRS

Comment Posted By Visakha Priya dd On 30.03.2007 @ 11:47

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