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BB Govinda Swami οn the death of the young Indian girl who was gang raped in Delhi

(From: Life with the Perfect Master, by Satsvarupa Maharaj)

[At ISKCON Calcutta] I was sometimes bewildered by conditions in the
kitchen. … They did everything in a simple, nonmechanized fashion — like
cutting vegetables while squatting on the floor. … I had to stand by and
observe without any hope of changing things, even when I saw something I
thought wasn’t up to Prabhupada’s standard. …,

“Srila Prabhupada,” I began, “you say that the Indian culture is suci,
cleaner than America which is mleccha, but it appears to me that the kitchen
here is dirty — “

“You mind your own business!” Prabhupada said sharply. His words were like a
slap and immediately brought me to my senses. There was no need for more
discussion. I left his room and hurried back to the kitchen to get his
lunch, realizing that I had fallen into mundane, pro-Western faultfinding.

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 07.01.2013 @ 05:59

In response to bbd

“The vast majority of Indian temples that depicted women in the Vedic light were destroyed by Islamic invaders. Due to these invasions and manipulations of history, India today, in it’s social customs (esp. women’s issues), are largely more in line with Islamic customs than historical Vedic society.

In actual Vedic society women freely mixed with men and were not seen as inherently “lesser” than men. Women were not held to obscure and exploitative social customs. If you look at pre-Islamic art, you will see how differently women were seen in India than of today. I would even venture to say that modern Indian society is far less “Vedic” than American society just due to the lack of personal freedoms. Vedic society was a free society that facilitated everyone’s level of spiritual evolution, no matter what occupation, gender, affiliation, sexual orientation, race, creed, color, etc…one occupied. Indian society today is far from that concept of personal liberty and freedom.

If India was able to rid itself of Islamic and British societal influences, it would be a whole different country. But obviously that is not what Krishna currently has planned for India.”

It is only the less intelligent persons not well versed in the history of the world who say that observance of separation of female from male is an introduction of the Mohammedan period in India. This incident from the Mahabharata period proves definitely that the ladies of the palace observed strict parda (restricted association with men), and instead of coming down in the open air where Lord Krsna and others were assembled, the ladies of the palace went up on the top of the palace and from there paid their respects to Lord Krsna by showers of flowers.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 1.10.16

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 07.01.2013 @ 05:58

To Be Heavy, Without The Weight

continued…

Prabhupada: No, why shall I? I am not in that position. I am not within that… I am simply repeating the words of Krsna.

Guest (4): Then that… You came to… Even your… (?)

Prabhupada: I am simply teaching the teachings of Krsna. That is my point. I may be sama-darsi, I may be not sama-darsi.

Guest (4): Not be, but you teach that we should worship the sama-darsi.

Prabhupada: Krsna says. I don’t say.

Guest (4): Ah! You say, Krsna says that…

Prabhupada: But that does not mean that one has become sama-darsinah. That is… That is his…

Guest (4): Then he is not following the guru.

Prabhupada: No. My position is simply repeating. That’s all. My position is.

Guest (2): So we want understanding more than mere tape recorder.

Prabhupada: Yes, you may be tape… But that is my position because I have been authorized in that way, that “Anyone who preaches this confidential subject matter, he is My dear.” So I have nothing to learn, what is sama-darsi. I have my position…

Guest (4): No, blind following and open-eyed following, I say it is all right. We can read the book. We can read the verses, translation, Hindi translation. But that is not understanding.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is not understanding, I understand. But I am understanding from my teacher, just like I told you, Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Visnu Svami, Lord Caitanya. There are so many stalwart teachers, practically whole Hindu community.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Discussion with Indians — January 18, 1971, Allahabad

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 25.10.2012 @ 17:32

continued…

Prabhupada: Sama-darsinah means you have no distinction what is sin and what is…

Guest (1): Sama-darsinah means to treat everyone as equal.

Prabhupada: No, no, no. Sama darsinah means there is no distinction between sin and virtue. That is sama-darsinah. As soon as you see, “This is virtue, and this is sin,” it is not sama-darsinah.

Guest (1): Virtue and sin become the same in sama-darsinah.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is sama-darsinah.

Guest (2): In other words, the sin does not remain sin any longer.

Prabhupada: That is another thing. But he has no vision that “This is sin, and this is virtue.” That is sama-darsinah. As soon as you make distinction, you are not sama-darsinah.

Guest (2): In another interpretation, in…

Prabhupada: You may interpret in a different. Sama-darsi, this is plain word. Sama-darsi means there is no difference, that’s all.

Guest (2): But sama-darsi equals sama-darsi. The sin and virtue are the same.

Prabhupada: No, here… Yes, that is sama-darsinah because here it is said clearly, vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmana [Bg. 5.18]. A brahmana, learned brahmana, and vinaya, very humble… That is the sign of goodness. Vidya-vinaya-sampanne gavi hastini sunica. Sunica means dog. Now he is seeing a dog and a learned brahmana-same. Now, dog is supposed to be sinful, and this learned brahmana is supposed to be virtuous. Therefore his vision, the virtuous and the sinful, the same. That is sama-darsi.

Guest (1): I think that they have made a many mistakes in writing of the slokas.

Prabhupada: That’s all right. Now you are finding mistake with Vyasa, so who can talk with you?

Guest (2): No, but, but…

Prabhupada: Please excuse me. Please go out. Please go out. Don’t trouble. You are finding faults with Vyasa.

Guest (4): We only want you to be understood here.

Prabhupada: (shouting) I am not sama-darsi! I don’t say I’m sama-darsi! I don’t say, sama-darsi. So you say sama-darsi. Sama-darsi.

Guest (2): You should be sama-darsi.

Prabhupada: But I am not in that stage. I say because you don’t surrender to Krsna, you are sinful. That is my darsana.

Guest (4): So then you should be also seeing as sama-darsinah.

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 25.10.2012 @ 17:27

Srila Prabhupada declares that he is not sama-darsinah!

Guest (5): …if each and every person has an individual identity of (indistinct) soul above the body consciousness and unless you treat him as equal, there is little…

Prabhupada: No, nobody… You cannot say… Even though they are equal, you can see equal but they are not equal. They are not equal. There are three gunas, and in the Bhagavad-gita that is analyzed, that “These persons are in the sattva-guna, these persons are in the rajo-guna, these persons are in…”

Guest (5): That is not personality of the atma, but the atma is everybody’s soul.

Prabhupada: That’s all… First of all we have…

Guest (5): If you have potency to rise and go higher and higher…

Prabhupada: You are not on the atma stage; I am not in the atma stage. You are in the bodily stage.

Guest (5): Both, body and soul, together…

Prabhupada: Then if you are in the atma stage, then you have no argument with me. Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg. 5.18].

Guest (5): But argument, you have admitted that…

Prabhupada: No, there is no argument. That will stop. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54].

Guest (5): It is on arguments get down…

Prabhupada: No. If you are… Just see. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that:

vidya-vinaya-sampanne
brahmane gavi hastini
suni caiva sva-pake ca
panditah sama-darsinah

[Bg. 5.18]

If you are in the spiritual platform, then you will see a learned brahmana, a dog, a candala, a elephant — they are in the same stage. So there is no argument because he sees a dog and the learned brahmana, the same position.

Guest (3): That is the correct position.

Prabhupada: That is correct position. But if you find that “Swamiji is not on the standard,” that means you are not in the posit…, sama-darsinah even.

Guest (3): You mean if a person commits a murder, a sinner…

Prabhupada: Yes, that is very high stage. That is very high stage, sama-darsinah.

Guest (3): No, no. If a person commits a murder, you are seeing…

Prabhupada: So why you see, you are seeing, “Commits murder?” Why don’t you see that it is Krsna is acting there? Why you say that “commits murder?”

Guest (2): Krsna is getting the sin committed.

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 25.10.2012 @ 17:18

Hate Mayavada to Love Krishna

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura writes in Rai Ramananda:

Sri Krishna-Chaitanya had always a detestation for mayavada–that phase of pantheism in which the eternal service is practically denied and pedantic aspersions are found to predominate over the aspects of transcendental manifestive Truth.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura writes in a commentary to Sri Caitanya Bhagavata Adi Khanda 12.76:

The fierce poison of formidable impersonalism vomited by foolish, imperfect yogis who are conditioned by maya and who proclaim themselves as ahangrahopasakas, or self-worshipers, is extremely abominable, hated, and totally disapproved by Gaurasundara.

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 26.10.2012 @ 07:31

This is from Prema Bhakti-candrika:

Text 9

kama krodha moha lobha mada matsarjya dambha-saha
sthane sthane nijukta kariba
ananda kari hrdaya ripu kari parajaya
anayase gobinda bhajiba

Word for word:

kama — lust; krodha — anger; moha — illusion; lobha — greed; mada — pride; matsarjya — envy; dambha-saha — with vanity; sthane sthane — in their respective places; nijukta — engage; kariba — will do; ananda — happiness; kari — doing; hrdaya — heart; ripu — the enemies; kari — do; parajaya — defeat; anayase — easily; gobinda — Lord Govinda; bhajiba — will worship.

Translation:

I will engage lust, anger, greed, illusion, envy and pride in their proper places. In this way, I will defeat the enemies and with ecstasy in my heart, I will worship Govinda without difficulty.

Text 10

krsna seva kamarpane krodha bhakta-dwesi-jane
lobha sadhu-sange hari-katha
moha ista-labha-bine mada krsna-guna-gane
nijukta kariba jatha tatha

Word for word:

krsna seva — service to Krsna; kamarpane — engage lust; krodha — anger; bhakta — devotee; dwesi-jane — envious persons; lobha — greed; sadhu-sange — in the association of devotees; hari-katha — opics of Hari; moha — illusion; ista-labha — attaining; bine — without; mada — pride; krsna — Lord Krsna; guna-gane — glorifying the qualities; nijukta — engaged; kariba — will do; jatha tatha — proper places

Translation:

I will engage my lust in eagerness to serve Krsna and I will use my anger against those who are envious of the devotees. I will be greedy to hear the topics of Hari in the association of the devotees. I will be illusioned if I fail to achieve my worshipable Lord and I will feel proud to chant the glories of Krsna. In this way, I will engage them in their respective duties.

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 25.10.2012 @ 16:27

Association with nondevotees takes place in many ways, aside from face-to-face encounters. Through books, movies, gathering places — the possibilities of contact are unlimited. Especially nowadays, a person may apparently live alone in a city apartment and yet be completely immersed in bad association through mass media and technological entertainment. It takes deliberate cultivation, and a fight, to remove oneself from bad influences.

One may object to these injunctions and claim, “God is everywhere! Why say that certain people are bad?” The topmost devotee, the maha-bhagavata, can see all persons as perfect servants of God. He humbly thinks that everyone is a servant of the Lord except himself. But another qualification of a maha-bhagavata is that he always thinks of Krsna and never forgets Him for a moment. One should not imitate one aspect of the maha-bhagavata’s activities while lacking his qualifications. In other words, on the plea of following the example of the great devotees, one should not indulge in bad association and claim, “It’s all Krsna.”

The great majority of devotees have to make an effort to come up from the lower (kanistha) stage of devotion, where one sees God only in the temple. They have to strive to reach the second stage (madhyama), where one acknowledges that God is in everyone’s heart and yet discriminates in his relationships. The madhyama-bhakta saves his love for the Supreme Lord, makes friendships with like-minded devotees, shows compassion to innocent persons, and avoids the demons. He takes seriously the following injunction from the Katyayana-samhita: “It is better to accept the miseries of being encaged within bars and surrounded by burning flames than to associate with those bereft of Krsna consciousness. Such association is a very great hardship”

Narada-Bhakti-sutra, Ch. 3, The Means of Achievement

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 27.09.2012 @ 11:51

Respecting Our Women In Iskcon

continued…

If, however, a woman remains persistent in her desire for an unwilling brahmacari, the latter may frankly say to her, “Mataji I already gave many lifetimes to many women like yourself. Please give me your blessings that I can give this life fully to Krishna, without unnecessary disturbances or entanglements.” If the brahmacari is serious about his commitment, only a shameless woman would continue to pursue him further.

However, in our temples it is often a practical necessity that men and women engage in devotional service side by side. We can’t avoid such situations, although temple authorities should arrange that male and female devotees are kept apart as much as possible. Brahmacaris should maintain Vaisnava respect towards devotee women, without becoming overly familiar or loose, or developing friendships with them. Srila Prabhupada: “Sannyasis should have ‘Keep in a cool place’ stamped on their foreheads, just like on the butter package.” (Told by Srutakirti dasa)

End of Quote

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 24.05.2012 @ 03:42

continued…

A brahmacari should be very cautious if a woman is being “too nice” to him (e.g. keeps giving him maha-prasada). Service by a woman is a trap for a man. (SB 3.31.40) It is women’s nature to seek shelter and protection from a man, because it is generally both spiritually and materially beneficial for them to be married. But brahmacaris should know that although men generally improve materially if married, that so-called improvement simply means entanglement in sense gratification; therefore for a man’s spiritual progress it is intrinsically better to live without a woman. Acting on the platform of this knowledge, a brahmacari who wants to stay brahmacari has to be free from material compassion for women looking for husbands.

Srila Prabhupada: “The managers of our society should see that all the brahmacaris stay brahmacari, and all the women get married.” Devotees: “How is that possible, Srila Prabhupada?” Srila Prabhupada: “That is your management.” (Told by Giriraja Swami)

Srila Prabhupada noted, “These girls generally come to our society to find out a suitable husband.” (Letter, 06/10/68) Naturally, women devotees want to marry the best men devotees. They tend to be more attracted to brahmacaris who are steady, committed, mature, and responsible. Almost perversely, brahmacaris who are serious to stay brahmacaris usually become targets of anxious brahmacarinis. For a women to “hunt down” a man who wants to remain committed to brahmacari life could be considered an act of violence against his progressive spiritual development. On the other hand, it can be considered a test that even great sages have to undergo.

If a brahmacari who wants to stay a brahmacari finds that a young woman is becoming friendly towards him, alarm bells should go off in his head and he should extricate himself from that situation. If that is not possible, the next best response is not to respond. To remain polite but cold in the face of advances, and to consistently show disinterest, soon convinces women to direct their conjugal aspirations elsewhere. There is no room for sentiment in such dealings. If the brahmacari allows his heart to flutter and reciprocates with even a little interest, the huntress, being encouraged, will not stop until the quarry’s heart is fully pierced with Cupid’s arrows.

continues…

Comment Posted By Vrindavanchandra On 24.05.2012 @ 03:39


 


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