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The greatest book distributors – Bhakta Carl & Radhika Ramana Prabhus

Nice article!
Preaching is the essence of this ISKCON Movement.
It would very nice to have book distributors from any part of the world to submit their stories, however brief, to Dandavats so that we all can benefit by hearing about this most sublime devotional service that is going, on everyday, quietly in unheard of corners of this world…

Yugala Kishor dasa
Alachua, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Feb 27, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

HH Romapada Swami in hospital

Our prayers go to the lotus feet of Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu on behalf of our senior ISKCON Vaishnava, HH Romapada Swami. We are sure that given his dedication to Srila Prabhupada’s Movement, years of service, and current services, Romapada Swami is well sheltered no matter the outcome of this temporary illness.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhpada,
Yugala Kishor dasa
Alachua, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Feb 19, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

Our Petition!

ISKCON devotees should realize that the world in which ISKCON operates is still a very divided world. What ISKCON Hungary is going through is not a surprise at all. Hungary is a former communist country but its political leaders, it seems, still have the flavor of communism by resorting to the “rule of man” rather than the “rule of law,” in dealing with the ISKCON there.

Those of us who were born and raised in the West (Western world) should be grateful that, at least, we enjoy freedom of religion that enables to spread Gaudiya Vaishnavism, under the spiritual leadership of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Once again, another Eastern European nation has displays its true colors. We can only hope that they will reconsider their medieval mentality and speed up their cultural growth to come attuned to the 21st century.

Hare Krishna.
Yugala Kishor dasa
Alachua, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Dec 15, 2011 @ 9:38 pm

Limit the volume of kirtans in ISKCON Temples?

Prabhus,
Thanks for this excellent article. I am presently suffering from hearing loss. In fact I just a surgery yesterday!
I joined ISKCON in Sep 1977 and for all my brahmacary years and about 10 years as a grhastha (total of 21 years), I was in kirtanas during mangala artik, Deity greetings, and Sundara artika.

As the writer clearly points out, the sweetness of krishna kirtana doesn’t have to damage our ears. So approrpriate measure should be taken at all ISKCON Temples to ensure that our congregational members are informed of the problem.

Something that the articles didn’t mention is that devotees SHOULD have a medical exam at least once a year with a specialist (ENT doctor). It does pay off in the long run to prevent rather than to wait to last minute, when you hearing is GONE.

I regret that I didn’t early enough and that this is my second ear surgery.

Your servant,
Yugala Kishro dasa
Alachua, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Jul 2, 2011 @ 4:43 pm

Simple Living – the Path to Happiness and Personal Fulfillment?

We wish you all the best in your efforts, Dhanesvara prabhu, in your efforts to establish a rural community in Ukraine.

It is interesting that you tried first in a former Soviet country. Why was it launched in a socialist country? Any plans to establish one in the USA?

I have read your first book “Spiritual Economics.” My first impression was that even though your conclusive remarks do tie to Srila Prabhupada’s line of theological thinking, many of your premises (macroeconomic), built all along the book, seemed somewhat vague, and do not address the pragmatic and complex nature of the modern economic system. This question is valid, since this economic system has worked so far.

In your book, you seemed to go on a rampage against the capitalist mode of economics, even though it survived the socialist and communist economics of Eastern Europe, China and any of the few remaining communist nations.

It seems to me that you will to do a lot more refined thinking and writing (within the realm of macroeconomics), in order to convince the peoples in capitalist nations, that their system is flawed. Your philosophical foundation is quite fine, as it is based on Srila Prabhupada’s philosophy. Your theories of economic discourse, however need improvement.

It seems that Prabhupada’s take on this issue is that any political/economic system would be fine as long as it support – or at the very least does not impede – the spreading of Krishna Consciousness. America, a capitalist nation from the start, indirectly supports the spreading of the Krishna Consciousness Movement, by not “impeding” our missionary work, nor infringes upon our religious freedoms. To a lesser or greater extent, the same is true for many of other Western countries. However, you will not find the same in most other countries. In fact, both politically and culturally, Ukraine probably has its own history of infringement upon religious groups that are not Eastern-Christian Orthodox.

Is capitalism in and of itself inherently evil, as you seem to assert?
I may be wrong, but I do not recall ever reading, within Prabhupada’s books, any statement confirming such assertion.

In preaching Krishna Consciousness, we would be fine in either a socialist or capitalist nation, as long as culturally and politically we are not hampered in our missionary work.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Dec 6, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

Why Cow Protection does not work in Iskcon

Dusyanta prabhu, the gist of your article is what I have observed for the last several years.
Protection of cows and bulls does not mean what we practice prominently in ISKCON. Your analogy of the zoo is quite appropriate.

We need to get the bulls to work and the cows to produce milk, abundance of milk. To what extent are we doing that in ISKCON? No one knows, or no one seems to know. The Cow Protection office is silent on this issue. Where are the stats that indicate to us, how many bulls, cows, and calves that ISKCON have? Where is the info from the CPO about the economic output from bulls and cows? …. Food for thought…

Your servant,
Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Oct 9, 2010 @ 5:52 pm

Nirjala Ekadasi

Good article! It reminds that we need the association of devotees to keep us sheltered in devotional service. Over the years that I have observed Ekadasi, I realized that I had done it sort of “mechanical,” to some extent.
This article by Dravida prabhu gave me, or reminded me of the proper vision or perspective of observing this holy day.

I have a question for either Dravida or anyone else: When do children or minors should begin observing Ekadasi?

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Jun 16, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

Leadership Crisis

Maharaja, thanks for the time you take to address this important issue that Srila Prabhupada wanted us to implement. Your article does spark the much needed discussion about daiva-varnashrama.

The way it looks to me, daiva varnashrama necessarily involves the politico-social dimension as well as the theological dimension of the human condition.

Varna corresponds to the politico-social dimension of societal life, and ashrama to the theological aspect of human life.

To make the theme clearer to your readers, I would recommend that you define beforehand the terms brahmanas, kshatriyas, vaisyas and shudras from both dimensions or realms of discourse, i.e., the socio-political and the theological.

Overall, your article does not give any credit to the shudra class. This is more evident in your Leadership and Dependence paragraph, wherein you omitted (consciously?) to mention that members of the shudra class also function (today) as “natural leaders,” when they take up the role of parents and/or elders of their own shudra clans or families.

A lot of the time, especially in ISKCON, we use the term shudra mostly in a pejorative sense. Thus, consciously or unconsciously, we strip the shudras off of any good qualities they may indeed possess; natural leadership being one of them.

I do not see and cannot reason that all shudras are always bad and in darkness, so much so that they must be told what to do at all times.

Being a shudra does not necessarily mean that they are scoundrels, and so bad that they can’t be natural leaders of their own families or dependents. After all, Sri Krishna (Gita 9.32) has stated that shudras are also candidates for self-realization.

I would even add a third dimension to the discussion of finding and defining appropriate terms and meanings to the four varnas: that is the psychological dimension.

Consider the following scenarios: Someone can be a brahmana by birth and even by initiation and by psychological disposition, but work in a shudra occupation (socio-political dimension).

Or someone else can be a brahmana by birth and by initiation, and have the occupation of a brahmana, but his psychological disposition and behavior points to the attributes of a shudra.

Ideally the psychological and the theological dimension should reflect the true nature of a man who is brahamana.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Mar 25, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

How Will the Forthcoming Eclipses Affect You?

Mithuna Twins Astrological Services,
Prabhus,
PAMHO. Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Prabhupda.

After reading your article, this is my two-cents worth observation:

Most of the philosophical statements you made are found in the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Moreover, you have quoted Srila Prabhupada in your article; that was quite nice. However, one does not need resort to astrology to find out how bad the material world is; nor to find the ultimate solution to our material existence.

Having said that, What is the use of the astrological technicality your article mentions throughout? It makes it hard to read. It would have been better to directly address the relevant issues of philosophy to enlighten us, your readers.

What is the purpose of this article?

Your servant, Yugala Kishor dasa (Alachua, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Dec 11, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Mumbai celebrities unveil ‘The Journey Home’ by Radhanath Swami

It is nice to see how devotees, like HH Radhanath Swami, are enthusing people to pay attention to the Krishna Consciousness Movement!

We need thousands of such devotees, who according to their means and stages in life, are engaged in passing on what Srila Prabhupada so painstakingly gave us.

I also second Patita Pavana prabhu’s concern. Srila Prabhupada is the Founder-Acarya of the Krishna Consciousness Movement and we owe to pay respect to his name appropriately.

Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Sep 10, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Yadunandana prabhu to take sannyasa at Radhadesh

Prabhus,

I second Pusta Krishna prabhu in his no. 10 post!

All disciples of Srila Prabhupada who dedicated their youth to help him spread Krishna Consciouness, in so many parts of the world, are indeed great souls.

Some of them, sannyasis, who later could not maintain their celibacy vows are commandable for their efforts. Nothing is lost in the service of the Lord.

All devotees are honable. The problem, lately, of giving honor to others is that important or conspicuous devotees have fallen down and committed major blunders along the way, dragging others into their misery, usually followers and formal disciples.

The problem became compounded by the fact that there were “many” of such personalities. Building trust again, after such a shock, as ISKCON has gone through, is very difficult. Yet it has to be done! Hence, those who didn’t leave ISKCON have the major job of building trust again. We were left to pick the pieces, deal with the traumas, with political problems, with intrusion from other sampradayas (Gaudiya mathas, etc.) who see an opportunity in a weak ISKCON, who see an opportunity of an ISKCON in crisis.

In ISKCON, we are in the business of “selling ourselves,” so to speak. People cannot perceive the presence of Sri Krishna, unless it comes funneled through a devotee of Krishna. That means, whoever protrays himself as a devotee of Krishna is basically saying: “Hey, here I am. Do you want to get to know Krishna? Then, watch me. This is how it is done.”

Hence, the task of preaching KC is, first of all, a task of personal transformation. A transformation of character, of morality, and of ethics. And then a transformation that leads to purity of the heart, cleansing of the mind, of the intelligence. Then, a transformation of getting rid of all misidenfications and come to level of bhakti. Then a transformation from kanistha, to madhyam, to uttama…
… That’s not easy at all.

But the empowerment is there; Prabhupada gave it to us, even to those who never met him, or heard personally from him…

At any rate, it is better to be a decent grhastha than a pretender renunciant. After all, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu instructed that at any stage, in any body, under any social designations, the whole idea, the whole deal, is to engage oneself in sadhana-bhakti.
Nonetheless, we need sannyasis, devotees who have made the major commitment of their lives, in service others by giving themselves to others, in the service of Srila Prabhupad

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Mar 7, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Hare Krishna prabhus!

Just as we are honoring someone who is entering the sannyasa order of life, we should also honor those who take any asrama. In ISKCON we have accorded, mostly, honors to sannyasis, and rarely to anyone else.

I think it is time that we also honor ISKCON members who take up the grhastha order, since it is in this asrama that we are supposed to produce Krishna conscious children, and create wealth that should benefit, not only ourselves but ultimately ISKCON.

Moreover, being an examplary grhasthas is as important as being an examplary sannyasis. The materialists are utterly confused about following leaders, in all spheres of human life, e.g. religious, political, in business and economics.

In comparision to sannyasis, grhasthas have the double duty and responsibility of being role models to the world because not only are they called upon to be leaders in the secular world, but also in the ethical, religious and spiritual realm of human society.

In a sense, it is easier to renounce “making wealth” than producing wealth. Grhasthas should be encourage (and given the credit) of being pillars of our ISKCON communities all over the world.

Hence, I concur with Akruranath’s prabhus words “And we also have dedicated householder preachers who also deserve all honor and respect.”

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Yugala Kishor dasa / Alachua, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Mar 2, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

Mathematical Knowledge vs Spiritual Knowledge

This is great stuff!
It is quite enlivening to know that there are ISKCON members, such as Ananta Rama prabhu, who use their academic skills to present Krishna Consciousness to scholars.
Yugala Kishor dasa.

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Dec 3, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

Radha Govinda Swami Katha in Agra Jail

Nice to see that even convicted felons are getting the mercy of Lord Caitanya!
Here in the USA, we have a similar program (Prison Ministry).

One thing is preaching to criminals in jails; quite another thing is to assimilated them into ISKCON. Many, in ISKCON, feel uneasy about doing that with convicted criminals, specially people who have committed murder.

One important policy that should be established in ISKCON — and so far I haven’t seen anywhere — is that Temple authorities should do what we call, here in the USA, “background checks.”

Temple management should be ver aware that convicted felons do commit crimes again. In other words the likelihood of getting into trouble with law is much higher for an ex-convict that it is for a someone who has never been jailed.

In this day and age of lawsuits (at least in the West), integrating ex-convicts into ISKCON should be approached very carefully and control it very diligently.

Yugala kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Mar 31, 2008 @ 5:01 pm

Please support Dandavats

Prabhus,

Some recommendations:

1. CHARGE A FEE. People using Dandavats for any type of selling, should pay a fee. After all, when using it for such purpose, the idea is to make a monetary gain; it is only fair that they pay a fee. I would say that the fee should cover the “fixed and variable expenses” of running the ad as well as a “mark-up” percentage of say 10% of the fixed expenses. For example, if running an ad cost you US $5.00 in fixed expenses (set-up time, computer usage, electricity, rent, or depreciation of building, amortizatio of equipment, etc.) and $2.00 of variable expense (programmer’s time; clerk’s time), the fee would amount to including US$7.70. You could run the ad for, say, a week, at that price. If they want it run longer than that, they should be charged accordingly.

2. TAX CONSIDERATIONS. People who make donations to charitable organizations (at least in the West) oftentimes require a “tax-deductible” receipt from the organization. In the case of Dandavats, are you able to provide that? If not, then a possible solution would be to work it out with temples, in such a way, that whenever I want to make a donation to Dandavats, I should be able to approach my temple (Alachua, FL) so that I give the funds to them, they issue me a tax-deductible receipt, and forward the funds to you.

Anyway, these are two possible ideas in which you could raise funds to maintain this very important service that you are doing.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada.
Yugala Kishor dasa
Gainesville, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Feb 28, 2008 @ 5:02 pm

We’re looking for a few good vaisnavas

Prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP.

I am somewhat concerned about preaching to convicts. The reason being that after they leave their prison sentence, Where will they go? To a temple?

If they go to a temple and try to reside in them as brahmacaris or even to blend as outsiders, how are they going to be perceived by the rest of ISKCON?

Coming out of jail is not such a good thing in one’s life.

If these people are sincere in efforts to become serious about KC, should they disclose their past crimincal activity? What is they want to take responsible positions within ISKCON?

How are you supposed to deal with such delicate issues?

Moreover, there are many different types of innmates. Some are they for major crimes, others for minor ones…. How do you make the difference? Should it matter at all, if they want to be assimilated within the ranks of ISKCON?

Yugala Kishor dasa
Gainesville, FL

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Dec 5, 2007 @ 2:48 am

Kazakhstan

It is quite sad to see how the Kazakhstan government is mistreating ISKCON members. However, it should not be a surprise to us that the heads of State are acting as a typical communists, with their third world mentality of corruption, blind enforcement, expropriation, and leaving its citizens with no rights of any kind to protect themselves against arbitrary actions.

In ISKCON, we have the tendency to denigrate and attack Western Civilization, specially the USA, as a demoniac form of government; but in comparison to the dimwits in Kazakhstan, I’d rather stay in the USA. At least, we got some legal recourse against the government, when it acts arbitrarily; our rights are protected under the Law, and we can preach Krishna Consciousness without being harassed.

ISKCON leaders in Kazakhstan should prepare some type of contingency plan to get those Kazakhstani devotees to get them out of there, if the worst does occur, which it seems imminent.

Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Nov 13, 2007 @ 10:30 pm

The Prabhupada Marathon

Thanks Vijaya Prabhu for your notice. I am one of those who feel the nostalgia of the good old days of self-less dedication of Srila Prabhupada’s books distribution.

One thing that perhaps you can help us is to give us contacts were we could order books. Many temples don’t have accounts with the BBT, so we are left wondering where we could order books from, at decent prices.

Your servant,
Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Nov 11, 2007 @ 4:56 pm

Radhanatha das update

Reading, here in Dandavats.com, about ISKCON devotees passing away, quite frequently these days, may lead us to think that it is a depressing thing to do. The apparent problem may be compounded by the fact that Dandavats.com reports on devotees passing away from all over the world; not only the ones we are familiar with. Here we have yet another case, His Grace Radhanatha Prabhu’s imminent departure from this world.

But, while reading some of the brief biographic sketches provided by other ISKCON devotees, about the ones dying, we can see that – contrary to public opinion – there are indeed many saints, great souls, and pure devotees living among us, in ISKCON. I met Radhanath Prabh twice; once in Miami many years ago, and about 2-3 years ago, here in Alachua, Florida. I was surprised to see his determination in publishing “Krishna Kids,” over the years. Seeing his health condition, I knew it was a taxing situation for him to engage himself in the service of others. Now that HH Kavicandra Swami gave us a brief sketch of Radhanatha Prabhu’s life in ISKCON, I can see the Vaishnava qualities present in his person, “beyond the appearance of a disabled man.” The sad thing is that we shouldn’t have to wait for someone to be in his deathbed to find out about his glorious life. We should recognize the beautiful qualities of devotees while they are alive, while they are making a difference in the lives of others.

Seeing devotees dying may also produce, within us, a feeling of dread. One reason for this feeling may be that reading about dying ISKCON devotees may remind us of our own mortality. “Out of fear for the Supreme Lord,” death is, indeed, chasing and claiming everyone. No one is immune. We all succumb to it: gurus, sannyasis, brahmacaris, grhashtas, brahmanas, devotees and non-devotees, good people and bad people; the sinful and the sinless; the pious and the impious; from the most powerful down to the most feeble. From all over the creation, “from the highest planet down to the lowest,” we are all being consistently, efficiently chased away from these bodies.

Knowledge of transcendence helps realize that despite our failing material bodies, we are eternally and lovingly connected to Sri Krishna. And for having given us this knowledge, Srila Prabhupada stands out and remains our utmost well-wisher; he is leading the way out of this material world. Srila Prabhupada – no matter what many people may think – is irrefutably and unquestionably, irreplaceable.

Surely, I will take time off tonight, to chant the Holy Names, and to join the other devotees who will be by Radhanatha Prabhu’s side as he leaves this world. That is the least I can do to honor another great soul who invested his life in ISKCON, and who contributed to make life more bearable in association of saintly persons.

Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Oct 24, 2007 @ 8:24 pm

Ragatmika’s surgery

Hari-sauri Prabhu,

Madhusudhana prabh is right! It would be a waste to send funds directly to his foreign bank account; the bank’s fee for wiring funds is outrageous, specially going into a foreign account.

Somehow or other, get a PayPal account set up; it is quite easy to do.

Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville,FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Oct 8, 2007 @ 6:26 pm

In regards with the preaching efforts in Iraq

Dear Partha-sarathi prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP.

Praghosa prabhu has very nicely expressed his appreciation for your duty and your efforts to share the values of Krishna Consciousness with your fellow soldiers.

Our prayers are with all of you on the battlefield. Lord Krishna is surely watching you and your men; no doubt about that, as He is doing with all other living entities, all over the creation.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,

Yugala Kishor dasa
Nistaranga devi dasi
Anantadeva
Sri-Rama
(Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Sep 26, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

They Said it Was Chance Debate – video

Prabhus,
Is there a way of downloading this video clip?

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Jun 11, 2007 @ 2:59 pm

A strange place to give out the mercy

Partha-sarati prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP.

You are indeed one of a kind vaishnava!!!
I was under similar situation, when we used to distribute books in Latin America, Central America to be precise, back in the late 1970s. We weren’t under sniper fire, but we in the cross-fire between the army and rebels.

May Lord Krishna protect you.
Your servant, Yugala Kishor dasa

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Jun 7, 2007 @ 8:01 pm

Conspiracy Theories

I do not agree with Gokulananda prabhu’s viewpoint. I don’t think we are being patriotic here; we are just being realistic. Despite the open tendency of ISKCON devotees to praise India, we should remember that Srila Prabhupada HAD TO LEAVE India, after 10+ years of attempting to start the Krishna Consciousness Movement there. Hindus were not interested in helping. The reason is probably that Indians or Hindus are not into KC; they were (and still are) into what Srila Prabhupada called “hodgepodge” of religion.

The values of American philosophy – which include pragmatism and the metaphysical justifications for the freedoms as outlined in the U.S. Constitution, among other notions – are actually excellent steppingstones to imbibe and spread the Krishna Consciousness Movement, not only in North America, but the whole world. Factually, it is due to these ethical and philosophical values that America was the right place for Srila Prabhupada to preach and start the Krishna Consciousness Movement.

Sadly, India is still a third world country, with all the socio-economic maladies, and philosophical distortions that any third world country has. To a great extent this is due to being stuck in their useless, damaging “caste” system, which simply perpetrates their status as a third world nation, and with which they are not impressing anybody but themselves.

If India’s political leadership will take the values of the Krishna Consciousness Movement and apply them in the social, political and economical life of their citizens, then the story would be quite different.

Yugala Kishor dasa (Alachua, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Jun 1, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

Economic Nonviabilty Of Devotee Milk Production

We are all attached to the idea of cow protection, after all it is expressed in our Scriptures.

However, given our current situation, the historical period of ISKCON — with all of its challenges, lawsuits, leadership problems, defalcation, mismanagement, screwed-up marriages, poverty-stricken population, etc.. — worrying about cows looks like a quiddity.

It seems that the cow protection programs ought to be taken by private individuals, who are not going to tap into the fund-raising sources that ISKCON is already using. At least, at this historical junction, that seems more viable.

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On May 3, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

Iskcon – Montreal 30th Anniversary Invitation

Thank you to all Vaishnavas and Vaishnavis from Montreal, Quebec. I received the invitation via email. I am still hoping for a miracle (to attend).

But if unable, my thoughts and meditation will be your during the festivities to honor Sri-Sri Radha Manohara, and Lord Jaganatha, Sri Baladeva and Srimati Subhadra-devi throughout the streets of Montreal.

I have very fond memories of my ISKCON Montreal stint. I am very glad to have served Srila Prabhupada’s mission in such a fine place (minus the winters) with such fine people and devotees.

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On May 1, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

Response to the ongoing debate

COMMENTS TO POST NO. 13 BY AMARA PRABHU

AMARA: “For the most part I have been encouraged by the good number of ISKCON devotees who are willing to work with and encourage the gay community in Krsna consciousness.”

What does “a good number of devotees” mean? Why can’t you be precise? Is it 10% of the devotee population? Is it 50 or 75%? Are they grhasthas? Sannyasis? Brahmacaris? Who are these people you are referring to, as they were a meaningful number? Can you substantiate your calculation?

“His Holiness Hridayananada Goswami’s article on gay monogamy is just one example.”
Yes. We all know about that. This bagatelle of homosexuality is creating a division in ISKCON. It is defining who are the liberals and who are the conservatives. It is tearing apart disciples (who are conservatives) and gurus (who are liberals) apart. This is why the outcome of this issue of homosexuals is very important to the rest of ISKCON.

AMARA: “On a personal level, I have been contacted by quite a few ISKCON gurus, sannyasis and temple presidents who have expressed a willingness to help gay devotees advance spiritually.”

Again, who are these people you are referring to? Why the secrecy? What is proportion of this “quite a few” is? At least HH Hrdayananda Maharaja had the guts to publicly define himself on this issue; needless to say with great controversy and displeasure to many, in ISKCON.

AMARA: “Many of these senior devotees have gay disciples, temple devotees, friends, relatives, peers, etc. that they are genuinely concerned about and do not simply want to “throw away” just because they require householder life.”

How can someone have disciples who are homosexuals? The very notion of discipleship implies vows of no illicit-sex. Homosexuals can’t live a life within the protection of grhastha-dharma, because that is confined to men and women, in the relationship of a Vedic (sacred) marriage.

We wonder how even you got a Sanskrit name. Did you disclose to your spiritual master that you were homosexual? Did he, knowing such a fact, go ahead and grant you initiation? Or did you have to lie about it, and got initiated anyway?

No guru, in their right mind, would initiate a person who is not serious or committed to the 4 regulative principles, unless he is lied to by the so-called disciple.

Moreover, householder life (as the term is used in ISKCON) is for bona fide grhasthas. You are pushing for this idea that your glorified notion of homosexuals’ monogamy is to be accommodated within grhastha-dharma. We invite to read, ponder and digest ALL what Prabhupada ever wrote, and said about it. Then you will see why we adamantly opposed to you, and to whomever come up with the idea of accommodating homosexuals within the social, religious and institutional milieu of ISKCON.

Whether the homosexual issue has the potential of dividing and weakening ISKCON, as it has done to the Christians in the West, is something to be carefully watched.

AMARA: “On this issue (Jayadwaita Swami’s) I think we are seeing such a vision manifest.”

What vision? The vision of a homosexuals’ paradise in ISKCON? Again, it shows how befuddled you seem to be. Before your vision is manifest in ISKCON, you will see a lot controversy being fought out, you will see leaders defending their philosophical stands on this issue, you will see ISKCON’s peoples, communities and assets being wasted on this issue. In sum, you will see a divided and weakened ISKCON (something that Srila Prabhupada never liked). Is that your vision of a homosexual safe have?

AMARA: “Clearly, not all ISKCON devotees hate gays or wish to exclude them as temple or congregational members.”

Hating is one thing, giving blanket acceptance to homosexuality is entirely another matter. You are evading the issue. If you are sincerely interested in providing solutions instead playing the ‘sentimental card’ (if I may use that expression), then tell the world why is it that homosexuals should be socially, religiously, institutionally and even dharmically accommodated in ISKCON? What do we (and the world) gain from it? Tell the world, why should we disregard Srila Prabhupada’s numerous writings and verbal expressions about homosexuality just to accommodate all homosexuals of the world?

AMARA: “In fact, many devotees appreciate and welcome them. While it is unlikely that ISKCON will pass a resolution ending discrimination against gays, it is also unlikely to pass any resolution banning gay couples from visiting the temple or mandating discrimination against them.”

I would argue otherwise. The issue has the potential of creating further division in ISKCON that it may very well be the best thing to do, to just issue an institutional, religious decree to ban them, and get on with our business of preaching Krishna Consciousness and you get on with your private business of living your dream of making an homosexuals’ paradise.

As Vidura posited to Dhritarasthra: To save his kingdom from doom, a king may sacrifice a city; to save a city, he may sacrifice a village; to save a village, he may sacrifice a family; to save a family, he may sacrifice one member thereof. Hence, if for the sake of preserving ISKCON, the way Srila Prabhupada gave it to use, we have sacrifice homosexuality, then so be it.

AMARA: “Therefore, I think the best thing right now is for gay devotees to seek out gurus, sannyasis and temples that share such a mood and demonstrate a practical and humane understanding of people with homosexual orientation.”

Don’t you have your own homosexuals’ websites? Why is that you want to carry your message to us, the non-homosexuals, and forums such Dandavats? Why are you so keenly interested in the non-homosexual world to know about your pro-homosexual agenda and you as an activist thereof?

AMARA: “There are, in my opinion, enough temples and devotees like this to make such a suggestion feasible. I am very hopeful in this regard and even expect it to increase as time moves forward.

Again, how many? You are trying to portray – to the non homosexual world – the idea that your homosexual agenda has won acceptance in “quite a few,” “enough” temples, gurus, and sannyasis. But you have failed to define numbers.

Yugala Kishor dasa (Gainesville, FL)

» Posted By Yugal Kishor Dasa On Mar 30, 2007 @ 3:04 pm

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