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Reject the high cost of milk in Cow protection

Hare Krishna.
The price, cost and value of milk in a cow protection dynamic can only be related to a symbiotic community otherwise it becomes a business. When we place the products that come from a cow protection project in a holistic way then there is no independent price or cost of each product like conventional milk producers. We are not capitalists in cow protection. Milk is produced alongside vegetables, fruits and grains all have a value and then the manure produces energy which adds more value. In effect the holistic understanding of a cow protection project means each product is a subsidy for the other, because they are related.

A communty is dependent on the cow protection project. A cow protection project does not stand alone and sell milk to support itself, thats a business proposition, its a wholesome project. All the products from cow protection, once it has been set up properly, are all free to the community that is related symbiotically to it. Where can there be any expense? Cow protection is self-sustaining, its self independent and self -sufficient otherwise it has been set up in the wrong dynamics.And in the wrong circumstances. Cow protection self generates wealth, how can it not? Just because it is not self evident does not mean it does not exist. Cow protection has to be set up in exactly the correct way otherwise it wont work properly irrespective of the quality of the milk, we are not trying to win prizes for top quality milk, we are trying to make cow protection work so that it benefits all the devotees that relate to it.If we could minimally make milk available to all devotees that would be a step forward, then simultaneously make available grains and then vegetables, fruit, and flowers then that would be another step forward and then we need to make available energy requirements for all devotees. And then the proper community dynamics would naturally emerge by dint of following the mode of goodness lifestyle.Its a whole package not just a single component;milk. Milk is just a small part of the whole integrated cow protection culture.Varnashrama is centred around the cow , cow protection. We by-pass all the capitalistic problems by following this culture. And because cow protection is the centre of this culture it has to be in the mode of goodness otherwise we can throw as much money at it as you like but it will never work properly. your servant , Dusyanta dasa

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 12.08.2014 @ 14:02

Will Hare Krishnas Go Vegan?

Hare Krishna.
Thank you so much for your kind words of support Visakha Priya Mataji,a quote you may be referring to is a room conversation with poet Allen Ginsberg.
“From an economic point of view, if one man has a cow and four acres he has no economic problem. That we want to start. He can independently live in any part of the world. Simply he must have one cow and four acres of land. So let the people be divided in four acres of land and a cow and there will be no economic question. All the factories will close.(everyone laughs.)….. from conversations with Allen Ginsberg.

And to Dear Yagnavalkya dasa, when we start to delve deeper into the world agricultural process there is no escaping animal slaughter for anyone except those who protect cows. Vegans eat food that is produced from fertilisers from the slaughter industry, vegans dont escape that process whatsoever. We have to understand that its not just the food that you eat, but also how it is farmed and then also the violence of eating food. There is different types of violence in agriculture. Its not that just because i eat a carrot there is no violence. Srila Prabhupada says that to eat vegetables is violence, period. His purport in S. Bhagavatam 3.29.15 illustrates what He considers to be violence not what we consider to be violent. The violence is committed by commercial farmers, and whoever buys their products supports it. vegans support soya production which is absolutely riddled with violence, chemical fertilisers, mechanical harvesting, carbon transportation, genetical modification, pesticides, capitalisic exploitation and the list continues.
The only way around violence in food production is to become a cow protector and then we can only minimise that violence because Srila Prabhupada says that eating vegetables is violence.
Also i am researching the relatively new production of unhealthy margarines and soya spreads which is very eye opening and finding alot of work done by devotees in India. mans civilization was similar for 20,000 years and only changed in the mid 19th century and changed faster in USA in 20th century.Up until then cancer was low and food sensitivities were also low.It was the birth of a butter replacement which originated as food for Geese that paved the way to unhealthy eating.In fact Margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic and shares 27 ingredients with paint.. your servant Dusyanta dasa.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 08.08.2014 @ 15:25

Hare Krishna.

Even the title of this article is misrepresentational. Devotees that live in Iskcon that follow Srila Prabhupada’s comprehensive instruction to keep cows and follow the actual dynamics of cow protection will never become vegans. The vegan culture is a dead end route when it comes to a holistic lifestyle, vegans eat loads of genetically modified foods all the time. They get their food from the same place everyone gets their food. Unless you have created a self-sufficient dynamic you are implicated in world wide agricultural violence, period. Eating vegetables is violence. read the quotes from Srimad Bhagavatam 3.29.15, this is the definitive explanation about how to actually circumvent violence and its not by becoming vegan.
Veganism uses masses of animal products throughout their whole life they just dont know it. What about all the insects that are killed to produce soya. What about all the bees that pollinate their fruits and vegetables. What about all that super violent fertiliser from the slaughter industry they use in “organically” produced food. What about all the chemicals they use in producing grains, rice and potatoes, what about all the carbon based transport they use , what about all those food miles used to import foods, what about all those tractors used to grow all the food, are you mad- veganism is contributing equally as much violence and exploitation in farming as anyone else, there is nothing more non-violent about veganism, thats a big MYTH.
There is only one way around violence in food and thats by growing it all yourself in conjunction with cow protection for all your minimum violent fertiliser requirements, otherwise where do you get your fertilisers for growing your food. Its either chemicals or organics. And both are violent unless you can source cow protected manures, green fertilisers and seaweed calcified or liquified and then its not “non-violent” its “minimum” violent. Non violence in farming does not exist. Its a MYTH.
“The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life.” Srimad Bhagavatam 3.29.15.purport..The best anyone can hope to achieve in agriculture and food production is miminum-violence, and thats in a self-sufficient dynamic and only if you know what you are doing , or “natihimsrena” not non-violence. your servant Dusyanta dasa.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 04.08.2014 @ 11:42

Response to Cow Protection article

Hare Krsna .

I have been in farming all my life. And the yellow 1.5 inch x 2.5inch yellow plastic ear tags are factual and not an exageration as explained by Nitin Bhatt. What is not the exaggeration? That they have yellow ear tags or the size of them. Look at a picture of a young calf with brand new yellow ear tags , they look ridiculous. And they do hurt the calf when they are clamped into the ears with metal pliers-like utensils. Not only do they hurt but the cows get them caught on all sorts of things and they get ripped out of their ears and cause loads of pain. Many cows have ripped ears from this and its violence in motion. Before the huge yellow plastic tags were small metal ones with the numbers etched into it but the humans could not read the number so the huge yellow tags were put in for the humans benefit especially the beef trade.
Yes the word COW is a way better term for describing protected cows. Cattle is for commercial herds of whatever gender of animals for slaughter so we devotees steer clear of such derogatory terms as the word “Cattle” to describe protected cows. Also we dont follow dictionary and “farming” definitions in the literal sense of applying them to Lord Krishna’s protected cows. We have an emotive reason for applying the word “COW” rather than the word “cattle”because we LOVE our cows rather than farm our cows. And the relationship with cows is one of symbiosis so applying the word “cattle” is redundant again. Cattle are huge herds of animals that are being farmed for beef there is no sybiosis, no love and no relationship as in cow protection. Thats why the word cattle is always wrong and it should be avoided by devotees. glories to the cows., Dusyanta dasa.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 05.01.2014 @ 14:45

Not male or female, the real question is who is qualified?

Hare Krsna,
Being a Kanishta Adhikari vaisnava in kali Yuga is an amazing platform to attain. being kanishta-adhikari means to follow 4 regulative principles and chant at least 16 rounds a day. Thats the qualification of kanistha.In kali-yuga thats an amazing platform to maintain and we have seen many devotees not even able to maintain 4 regulative principles.I dont agree with Aindra prabhus point that a Kanistha-Adhikari is not a Vaisnava and therefore can not be Guru, that is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.I think he has underestimated the Kanistha-Adhikari as if it is an easy platform to attain but i dont agree. I think there are only a few devotees that actually attain the heights of kanistha-adhikari in Iskcon.Madhyama-Adhikari and Uttama-Adhikarai are out of sight for most devotees.
In Nectar of Instruction text 5 Srila Prabhupada writes that a Kanistha-Adhikari can also accept disciples under certain conditions which means that not only is a Kanishta-Adhikari a Vaisnava but also a Guru capable of accepting disciples.
In Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.32 Srila Prabhupada writes thus;
“It is the duty of the siksa guru or diksa guru to instruct the disciple in the right way, and it depends on the disciple to execute the process. According to sastric injunctions , there is no difference between the siksa guru and diksa guru, and generally the siksa guru later on becomes the diksa guru.”
It depends on the disciple to execute the process that has been given by either the siksa or diksa gurus.Even if the diksa guru is of a lower status the disciple can always accept Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa. But the onus is on the disciple to execute the process to advance. A disciple can be given all the best instruction and association in the world and still not follow the process.We have seen this situation carbon copied by devotees.And because in Iskcon we have the unique situation of Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa eternally we all have that advantage whether or not the diksa gurus come up to the mark or not.We are all Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa disciples and He is that eternal Shiksa Guru of Uttama-Adhikari status, but we have to come up to being good disciples and follow His disciplne.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 20.01.2013 @ 14:38

New Farm Community : Cintamani Dham Land of Touchstone tucked away in Kentucky

Hare Krsna.
From S. Bhagavatam 10.6.19 this encapsulates the goals of cow protection simply.
1 There are many facilities afforded by cow protection for people.
2 Cow dung is used as a fuel as well as fertiliser .
3Cow protection supplies sufficient stocks of grains.
4 Milk and milk products along with grains solve all the economic problems.

This is the quintessential truth that cow protection affords to mankind.But it appears that we have forgotten the art of cow protection.
Mostly the cow protection projects in iskcon dont reach these specified goals of cow protection.They vary in their depth of accomplishments. This means that the projects as they have conceived and executed them dont work as they should.

What needs to happen in Iskcon is to thoroughly review the whole action plan so as to address the reasons that the projects have come short on. Perhaps an independent audit would be a good idea.Understanding the concept of “solving all the economic problems” obviously has not happened. Understanding the actual backdrop of where cow protection fits into Vaisnava community is another problem. The next item is obviously the symbiotic relationship with cow protection facilities that is clearly not working. How the economic solution fits into a symbiotic vaisnava community is the model that is just not being manifest in Iskcon cow protection projects. The obvious lack of integration by vaisnava community in iskcon illustrates how the cow protection projects have exhibited exclusive tendencies where there is no integrated infrastructure from the beginning for community to follow that relationship anyways.
There seems to be a huge lack of community spirit in the cow protection projects .And that needs to be addressed at all levels in iskcon.The use of iskcon funds and donations for cow protection projects also appears to have been misunderstood. Its as if the devotees dont know what they are trying to achieve by cow protection. The goal is misplaced and they are trying to fit western principles and western styled economics into a picture of mode of goodness cow protection. The two separate conceptions will never marry up.We as humans have to change our lifestyle to mode of goodness and on every level of cow protection.Its a great disappointment for us looking into iskcon how the projects are just missing the whole point. ys,dusyanta dasa.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 25.01.2013 @ 17:23

Hare Krsna Adikarta Prabhu,
Cow protection is practised differently around the Iskcon world,some projects really have not understood the goal of Cow protection at all. Others have not been able to set the background dynamics in place that Cow protection really needs to function in. Mostly devotees have forgotten the Art of Cow protection and the multifaceted facilities Cow protection affords us. Even in Hungary they have still alot to learn, grass management,alternative energy requirements,community governance, etc but most importantly what is missing in iskcon Cow protection projects is the simple principle of symbiosis, dependance on Cows and land. What iskcon tries to do is marry up western lifestyles with Cow protection which is why it does not work. Cows are in the mode of goodness and our lifestyles are not. If we marry up our lifestyles with the Cows in the mode of goodness then there is a chance that cow protection will afford all those facilities.
We are not supposed to be producing milk to sell-that is a misconception in Cow protection. The fundamental purpose is to marry up the community dynamic in a symbiotic relationship to solve the economic problems of life. Its that simple. We produce milk for the community of devotees, not to sell.We are not trying to make money . Then the economic dynamic is based on the hub of cows with devotees like the spokes of a wheel relating in that symbiotic lifestyle.The community is self-evidently symbiotic with cows. If we follow the steps in a chronological way then the community that is dependant on cows and land will become economically dependant on cows and land. All other cow protection projects are just a compromise otherwise-they try to fit in to a mode of passion or ignorance system by trying to marry up western principles of economics with cow protection-that is a disaster.
All our solutions in Cow protection have to be in the mode of goodness for the symbiotic relationship to work.The cow manure has to be part of that solution through energy resources,the creation of buildings have to be community orientated,the infrastructure has to be community minded, the governance has to be community driven and on every level the mode of goodness must predominate,then you may become successful. your servant , Dusyanta dasa from stunningly beautiful Wales.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 24.01.2013 @ 13:32

Pillars of Sustainability Seminar in Krishna Valley

Hare Krsna. In the elaborate detailed schedule i could not find anything related to Iskcon and the Iskcon criteria for the definition of self-sustainability and how the Iskcon ethic of cow protection would work in the symbiotic relationship of the community in the economic solutions. There did not seem to be an integrated approach but rather isolated workshops. If Krsna valley is to represent the Iskcon ethic in self-sufficienty then it must represent the Iskcon standard.

Another worrying factor of the highlighted workshops was the use of the word “financial” which only relates to the use of paper money rather than wealth as defined in S.Bhagavatam.

If we read Srila Prabhupada’s definitions from the compilation book “Shikshamrta” there are overall definitions and detailed definitions that as Iskcon devotees is our mandate to follow. is krsna valley an Iskcon project by ownership or is it just an affiliated project.???

Depending on the answer to that question the response will be different.
But for me i found serious definitional shortcomings in the itinery as set out in the links provided.

This subject of Cow protection and symbiosis on cows and land appears to be following arbritary rules and roads in the Iskcon world and for me i find that worrying and disappointing. If we cant follow Srila Prabhupada’s mandates , His standards and goals then what are we trying to exemplify.??????

If we are to have projects such as ones in Hungary as krsna valley then what strategy are they following and why?
The idea from studying Srila Prabhupada’s Books is “Simple living-High thinking” its not that we are trying to introduce western styled economic solutions or practices into rural farm based projects. all we are trying to accomplish is mode of goodness lifestyles based on cow protection and land dependance. Its that simple,why do we need hugely expensive workshops to desribe our goals, its simple living not complicated living. We dont even need to get into “financial” models at all thats just a western conceptualised economic understanding in the lower modes of nature. How can that be compatibile to Cow protection in the mode of goodness? No thats the wrong answer we have to change our lifestyles to suit the mode of goodness and forget about western types of financial and economic solutions, they are not our soluitions, they will just create more problems!! y.s. dusyanta dasa.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 01.02.2013 @ 14:58

Vegans in ISKCON

Hare Krsna.
Yes Bhakta Matty i suggest you read S.Bhagavatam 3.29.15.purport by Srila Prabhupada. I was not saying my opinion but what Srila Prabhupada says in His Books .3.29.15. There is no such concept as “ahimsa” connected to milk and food production.The concept is minimum-violence its called natihimsrena.
The community model of Iskcon means a lifestyle that is symbiotically integrated with cows in the mode of goodness, whether you think you are transcendental or not.If you were transcendental then the three modes of nature are automatically included so that symbiotic integrated community lifestyle in the mode of goodness would be manifest at Bhaktivedanta Goshalla and there is no evidence of that. There is no community infrastucture that manifests the symbiosis in evidence there. How can you demonstrate Cow protection as defined by Srila Prabhupada if there is no integrated symbiosis of community?
The actual dynamics of Cow protection as determined by Srila Prabhupada’s mandates means that it solves all the economic problems of life.It affords so many facilities to mankind on so many levels. Agriculturally, Economically, Socialogically, Environmentally, Energetically, Communially and all the spin offs go deep into the heart of Society. But as yet in iskcon we have not reached that place as yet. In Iskcon we still only operate the Temple model and i dont accept that Bhaktivedanta Goshalla operates the community model or the agricultural model of Iskcon or that you are 70% S-Sufficient.
Saying you are the biggest Cow protection project does not mean you are practicing it in the community or agricultural model.
I know both projects that you have mentioned,well, and i know of ones that you have not mentioned run by iskcon devotees independently. And i have more years of Go-seva under my belt than you have. In fact i have been a Farmer for over 40years.And 37years of that in Iskcon. Why?
I understand Cow protection and the dynamics of the situation that it has to be in to actually work in the way Srila Prabhupada mandates. That situation is in an integrated symbiotic relationship with community in the mode of goodness.If you have no community related infrastructure, which clearly you dont at Bhaktivedanta Goshalla,how can cow protection solve any economic problems for society and community.What does your model demonstrate economically for Community?

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 07.01.2013 @ 17:52

Hare Krsna.
I dont agree that Srila Prabhupada teaches that Iskcon functions an ahimsa policy with milk and food production.Its minimum-violence for milk and food producton not “non-violence”.S. Bhagavatam 3.29.15. Find it in Lord Kapiladeva’s explanations of Devotional Service.
I also dont agree with the way to solve milk production for devotees. If you properly read Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksamrta all the answers are found there. Iskcon devotees only need produce milk for Iskcon devotees-its called self determination, self sufficienty and this should be practiced within the community dynamic of Iskcon- which does not exist yet. We still follow the Temple model of Iskcon not the community model of Iskcon. So we have to shift alot of dynamics yet before we are in a position to produce milk for devotees in the way that Srila Prabhupada mandates.
Bhaktivedanta Goshalla still operates in the Temple model of Iskcon thats why it does not work there, what they should do is integrate with community, construct community integrated infrastructure so that the symbiotic relationship with cows actually takes place . Its not just a case of what you call cows whether its a “unit” or a “cow” but its the symbiosis relationship integrated with the mode of goodness lifestyle that creates the right background for cow protection to work as designed by nature.
Other wise we are just trying to put a western lifestyle into a mode of goodness cow protection life style and that dynamic will never work .Its like trying to put a square plug into a round hole.
We have to change our whole approach to Cow protection to work in the way that illustrates the symbiotic relationship with the integrated community. Other wise you will just be banging your heads against a brick wall for ever.Figure out what is mode of goodness lifestyle, mode of goodness relationship with mode of goodness cows, then you might actually start the path to the real conclusive practise of cow protection and community in symbiosis.

Comment Posted By ananda dd On 06.01.2013 @ 10:56


 


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