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Hare Krishna Prabhu,
I think that you dont need a refrigerator to keep milk cold, it can be kept in containers under water away from the heat and the sun. And in victorian times ice was harvested during the Winter and stored in deep caverns as ice all year round so milk was also stored in very cold conditions in these stores.How do you think products were kept cold before fridges were invented. Ice has been around since time immemoria and humans have been harvesting ice likewise.
Also milk will store for 24hour without going off anyways and in India milk was used daily and then replenished the next day after milking the cows. Alot of milk was processed straight away making the need for pasteurisation and refridgerating redundant.
But the modern method of pasteurisation is not the same as the one described above. And boiling the milk at 100 degrees for 60-90 seconds does destroy the nutrients. Just because it has been done like this in India does not mean the nutrients are not destroyed, cooking anything destroys nutrients, period. Thats why raw milk is better than processed milk.
The modern method not only destroys nutrients but positively contributes to creating toxicity in the milk. By the method of extrusion using high temperatures and high pressure it creates nitrates in the milk and oxidises the cholesterol , this is undisputable. Oxidised cholesterol is particularly bad for the body and causes heart infarcation which leads to heart attacks. Oxidised cholesterol lines the blood stream with platelets of “bad” LDL type cholesterol which eventually blocks up the blood flow and causes heart attacks. Skimmed milk, and semi skimmed milk are particularly bad types of milk to drink because of the way they are processed to make them. They are also subjected to extrusion type methods of production and what you think is a healthy food is actually the worst.
Best to drink wholesome raw milk that has not been processed and if you have to boil milk then do it for the shortest time possible. In fact it is impossible to get away from processed foods unless you grow the food yourself.
How do you think grains are milled, how cereals are processed for your breakfast, how juice is extracted from fruit, how oils are seperated from seeds and nuts, the three main foods are made in this way of extrusion. grains that are flaked, how do you think they process the original grain into flakes, its by extrusion.And this adversely affects the food.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 12.09.2014 @ 13:27
Hare Krishna Prabhu,
The story of Pasteurization is another one of being fed mis information by the “establishment”. previous to the middle of the 20th century milk was never pasteurized for thousands of years. But what happened was that the industrial revolution spurred on farmers to produce more. So in the struggle and greed of capitalists to make money from farm products the mechanisation of milk production came into being. And because the people producing the milk were especially un clean with particularly unclean mechanisation milking hundreds of cows the milk was especially “dirty” . The government of the day were unable to clean up the dairy industry as it had become only up to 50-60 years ago so they invented the process for cleaning the milk called pasteuization which takes the milk to above 161 degrees F. And at that time it was fairly inaccurate and the milk was taken to higher temperatures than that. For example sterile milk keeps without refrigeration because there is nothing left in the milk to go off. Milk goes off because of the nutrients in milk, fresh food goes off because of oxidisation.
back in the 1940’s-1950’s milk produced industrially was hardly fit for human consumption unless it was heat treated to kill off all the bacteria in the milk from dirty animal husbandry practices. But that heat also kills off the nutrients in milk. The proteins especially are vulnerable to heat and when we get to temperatures of 161 degrees-200F degrees then the nutrients are transformed to “oxidised” fats and proteins.Todays commercial milk is produced at much higher standards than those of the last century making pasteurization totally unnecessary but it is a legal requirment in many countries.
Studies back in the Uk in the 1940’s-1950’s showed the superiority of raw milk over pasteurized milk in building strong bones, healthy organs and stronger nervous system.
Actually raw milk is making a comeback and pasture fed milking cows that produce raw milk with no pasteurization, no homogenization and no processing is becoming more available.
The process used for pasteurization means that milk is forced through a tiny hole at high pressure and heat treatment..This causes alot of nitrates to form and oxidises the cholestorol, which means you are drinking oxidised cholesterol which initiates the process of heart disease. your servant, Dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 02.09.2014 @ 16:10
The price, cost and value of milk in a cow protection dynamic can only be related to a symbiotic community otherwise it becomes a business. When we place the products that come from a cow protection project in a holistic way then there is no independent price or cost of each product like conventional milk producers. We are not capitalists in cow protection. Milk is produced alongside vegetables, fruits and grains all have a value and then the manure produces energy which adds more value. In effect the holistic understanding of a cow protection project means each product is a subsidy for the other, because they are related.
A communty is dependent on the cow protection project. A cow protection project does not stand alone and sell milk to support itself, thats a business proposition, its a wholesome project. All the products from cow protection, once it has been set up properly, are all free to the community that is related symbiotically to it. Where can there be any expense? Cow protection is self-sustaining, its self independent and self -sufficient otherwise it has been set up in the wrong dynamics.And in the wrong circumstances. Cow protection self generates wealth, how can it not? Just because it is not self evident does not mean it does not exist. Cow protection has to be set up in exactly the correct way otherwise it wont work properly irrespective of the quality of the milk, we are not trying to win prizes for top quality milk, we are trying to make cow protection work so that it benefits all the devotees that relate to it.If we could minimally make milk available to all devotees that would be a step forward, then simultaneously make available grains and then vegetables, fruit, and flowers then that would be another step forward and then we need to make available energy requirements for all devotees. And then the proper community dynamics would naturally emerge by dint of following the mode of goodness lifestyle.Its a whole package not just a single component;milk. Milk is just a small part of the whole integrated cow protection culture.Varnashrama is centred around the cow , cow protection. We by-pass all the capitalistic problems by following this culture. And because cow protection is the centre of this culture it has to be in the mode of goodness otherwise we can throw as much money at it as you like but it will never work properly. your servant , Dusyanta dasa
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 12.08.2014 @ 14:02
Thank you so much for your kind words of support Visakha Priya Mataji,a quote you may be referring to is a room conversation with poet Allen Ginsberg.
“From an economic point of view, if one man has a cow and four acres he has no economic problem. That we want to start. He can independently live in any part of the world. Simply he must have one cow and four acres of land. So let the people be divided in four acres of land and a cow and there will be no economic question. All the factories will close.(everyone laughs.)….. from conversations with Allen Ginsberg.
And to Dear Yagnavalkya dasa, when we start to delve deeper into the world agricultural process there is no escaping animal slaughter for anyone except those who protect cows. Vegans eat food that is produced from fertilisers from the slaughter industry, vegans dont escape that process whatsoever. We have to understand that its not just the food that you eat, but also how it is farmed and then also the violence of eating food. There is different types of violence in agriculture. Its not that just because i eat a carrot there is no violence. Srila Prabhupada says that to eat vegetables is violence, period. His purport in S. Bhagavatam 3.29.15 illustrates what He considers to be violence not what we consider to be violent. The violence is committed by commercial farmers, and whoever buys their products supports it. vegans support soya production which is absolutely riddled with violence, chemical fertilisers, mechanical harvesting, carbon transportation, genetical modification, pesticides, capitalisic exploitation and the list continues.
The only way around violence in food production is to become a cow protector and then we can only minimise that violence because Srila Prabhupada says that eating vegetables is violence.
Also i am researching the relatively new production of unhealthy margarines and soya spreads which is very eye opening and finding alot of work done by devotees in India. mans civilization was similar for 20,000 years and only changed in the mid 19th century and changed faster in USA in 20th century.Up until then cancer was low and food sensitivities were also low.It was the birth of a butter replacement which originated as food for Geese that paved the way to unhealthy eating.In fact Margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic and shares 27 ingredients with paint.. your servant Dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 08.08.2014 @ 15:25
Even the title of this article is misrepresentational. Devotees that live in Iskcon that follow Srila Prabhupada’s comprehensive instruction to keep cows and follow the actual dynamics of cow protection will never become vegans. The vegan culture is a dead end route when it comes to a holistic lifestyle, vegans eat loads of genetically modified foods all the time. They get their food from the same place everyone gets their food. Unless you have created a self-sufficient dynamic you are implicated in world wide agricultural violence, period. Eating vegetables is violence. read the quotes from Srimad Bhagavatam 3.29.15, this is the definitive explanation about how to actually circumvent violence and its not by becoming vegan.
Veganism uses masses of animal products throughout their whole life they just dont know it. What about all the insects that are killed to produce soya. What about all the bees that pollinate their fruits and vegetables. What about all that super violent fertiliser from the slaughter industry they use in “organically” produced food. What about all the chemicals they use in producing grains, rice and potatoes, what about all the carbon based transport they use , what about all those food miles used to import foods, what about all those tractors used to grow all the food, are you mad- veganism is contributing equally as much violence and exploitation in farming as anyone else, there is nothing more non-violent about veganism, thats a big MYTH.
There is only one way around violence in food and thats by growing it all yourself in conjunction with cow protection for all your minimum violent fertiliser requirements, otherwise where do you get your fertilisers for growing your food. Its either chemicals or organics. And both are violent unless you can source cow protected manures, green fertilisers and seaweed calcified or liquified and then its not “non-violent” its “minimum” violent. Non violence in farming does not exist. Its a MYTH.
“The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life.” Srimad Bhagavatam 3.29.15.purport..The best anyone can hope to achieve in agriculture and food production is miminum-violence, and thats in a self-sufficient dynamic and only if you know what you are doing , or “natihimsrena” not non-violence. your servant Dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 04.08.2014 @ 11:42
Hare Krsna .
I have been in farming all my life. And the yellow 1.5 inch x 2.5inch yellow plastic ear tags are factual and not an exageration as explained by Nitin Bhatt. What is not the exaggeration? That they have yellow ear tags or the size of them. Look at a picture of a young calf with brand new yellow ear tags , they look ridiculous. And they do hurt the calf when they are clamped into the ears with metal pliers-like utensils. Not only do they hurt but the cows get them caught on all sorts of things and they get ripped out of their ears and cause loads of pain. Many cows have ripped ears from this and its violence in motion. Before the huge yellow plastic tags were small metal ones with the numbers etched into it but the humans could not read the number so the huge yellow tags were put in for the humans benefit especially the beef trade.
Yes the word COW is a way better term for describing protected cows. Cattle is for commercial herds of whatever gender of animals for slaughter so we devotees steer clear of such derogatory terms as the word “Cattle” to describe protected cows. Also we dont follow dictionary and “farming” definitions in the literal sense of applying them to Lord Krishna’s protected cows. We have an emotive reason for applying the word “COW” rather than the word “cattle”because we LOVE our cows rather than farm our cows. And the relationship with cows is one of symbiosis so applying the word “cattle” is redundant again. Cattle are huge herds of animals that are being farmed for beef there is no sybiosis, no love and no relationship as in cow protection. Thats why the word cattle is always wrong and it should be avoided by devotees. glories to the cows., Dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 05.01.2014 @ 14:45
Being a Kanishta Adhikari vaisnava in kali Yuga is an amazing platform to attain. being kanishta-adhikari means to follow 4 regulative principles and chant at least 16 rounds a day. Thats the qualification of kanistha.In kali-yuga thats an amazing platform to maintain and we have seen many devotees not even able to maintain 4 regulative principles.I dont agree with Aindra prabhus point that a Kanistha-Adhikari is not a Vaisnava and therefore can not be Guru, that is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.I think he has underestimated the Kanistha-Adhikari as if it is an easy platform to attain but i dont agree. I think there are only a few devotees that actually attain the heights of kanistha-adhikari in Iskcon.Madhyama-Adhikari and Uttama-Adhikarai are out of sight for most devotees.
In Nectar of Instruction text 5 Srila Prabhupada writes that a Kanistha-Adhikari can also accept disciples under certain conditions which means that not only is a Kanishta-Adhikari a Vaisnava but also a Guru capable of accepting disciples.
In Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.32 Srila Prabhupada writes thus;
“It is the duty of the siksa guru or diksa guru to instruct the disciple in the right way, and it depends on the disciple to execute the process. According to sastric injunctions , there is no difference between the siksa guru and diksa guru, and generally the siksa guru later on becomes the diksa guru.”
It depends on the disciple to execute the process that has been given by either the siksa or diksa gurus.Even if the diksa guru is of a lower status the disciple can always accept Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa. But the onus is on the disciple to execute the process to advance. A disciple can be given all the best instruction and association in the world and still not follow the process.We have seen this situation carbon copied by devotees.And because in Iskcon we have the unique situation of Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa eternally we all have that advantage whether or not the diksa gurus come up to the mark or not.We are all Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa disciples and He is that eternal Shiksa Guru of Uttama-Adhikari status, but we have to come up to being good disciples and follow His disciplne.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 20.01.2013 @ 14:38
From S. Bhagavatam 10.6.19 this encapsulates the goals of cow protection simply.
1 There are many facilities afforded by cow protection for people.
2 Cow dung is used as a fuel as well as fertiliser .
3Cow protection supplies sufficient stocks of grains.
4 Milk and milk products along with grains solve all the economic problems.
This is the quintessential truth that cow protection affords to mankind.But it appears that we have forgotten the art of cow protection.
Mostly the cow protection projects in iskcon dont reach these specified goals of cow protection.They vary in their depth of accomplishments. This means that the projects as they have conceived and executed them dont work as they should.
What needs to happen in Iskcon is to thoroughly review the whole action plan so as to address the reasons that the projects have come short on. Perhaps an independent audit would be a good idea.Understanding the concept of “solving all the economic problems” obviously has not happened. Understanding the actual backdrop of where cow protection fits into Vaisnava community is another problem. The next item is obviously the symbiotic relationship with cow protection facilities that is clearly not working. How the economic solution fits into a symbiotic vaisnava community is the model that is just not being manifest in Iskcon cow protection projects. The obvious lack of integration by vaisnava community in iskcon illustrates how the cow protection projects have exhibited exclusive tendencies where there is no integrated infrastructure from the beginning for community to follow that relationship anyways.
There seems to be a huge lack of community spirit in the cow protection projects .And that needs to be addressed at all levels in iskcon.The use of iskcon funds and donations for cow protection projects also appears to have been misunderstood. Its as if the devotees dont know what they are trying to achieve by cow protection. The goal is misplaced and they are trying to fit western principles and western styled economics into a picture of mode of goodness cow protection. The two separate conceptions will never marry up.We as humans have to change our lifestyle to mode of goodness and on every level of cow protection.Its a great disappointment for us looking into iskcon how the projects are just missing the whole point. ys,dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 25.01.2013 @ 17:23
Hare Krsna Adikarta Prabhu,
Cow protection is practised differently around the Iskcon world,some projects really have not understood the goal of Cow protection at all. Others have not been able to set the background dynamics in place that Cow protection really needs to function in. Mostly devotees have forgotten the Art of Cow protection and the multifaceted facilities Cow protection affords us. Even in Hungary they have still alot to learn, grass management,alternative energy requirements,community governance, etc but most importantly what is missing in iskcon Cow protection projects is the simple principle of symbiosis, dependance on Cows and land. What iskcon tries to do is marry up western lifestyles with Cow protection which is why it does not work. Cows are in the mode of goodness and our lifestyles are not. If we marry up our lifestyles with the Cows in the mode of goodness then there is a chance that cow protection will afford all those facilities.
We are not supposed to be producing milk to sell-that is a misconception in Cow protection. The fundamental purpose is to marry up the community dynamic in a symbiotic relationship to solve the economic problems of life. Its that simple. We produce milk for the community of devotees, not to sell.We are not trying to make money . Then the economic dynamic is based on the hub of cows with devotees like the spokes of a wheel relating in that symbiotic lifestyle.The community is self-evidently symbiotic with cows. If we follow the steps in a chronological way then the community that is dependant on cows and land will become economically dependant on cows and land. All other cow protection projects are just a compromise otherwise-they try to fit in to a mode of passion or ignorance system by trying to marry up western principles of economics with cow protection-that is a disaster.
All our solutions in Cow protection have to be in the mode of goodness for the symbiotic relationship to work.The cow manure has to be part of that solution through energy resources,the creation of buildings have to be community orientated,the infrastructure has to be community minded, the governance has to be community driven and on every level the mode of goodness must predominate,then you may become successful. your servant , Dusyanta dasa from stunningly beautiful Wales.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 24.01.2013 @ 13:32
Hare Krsna. In the elaborate detailed schedule i could not find anything related to Iskcon and the Iskcon criteria for the definition of self-sustainability and how the Iskcon ethic of cow protection would work in the symbiotic relationship of the community in the economic solutions. There did not seem to be an integrated approach but rather isolated workshops. If Krsna valley is to represent the Iskcon ethic in self-sufficienty then it must represent the Iskcon standard.
Another worrying factor of the highlighted workshops was the use of the word “financial” which only relates to the use of paper money rather than wealth as defined in S.Bhagavatam.
If we read Srila Prabhupada’s definitions from the compilation book “Shikshamrta” there are overall definitions and detailed definitions that as Iskcon devotees is our mandate to follow. is krsna valley an Iskcon project by ownership or is it just an affiliated project.???
Depending on the answer to that question the response will be different.
But for me i found serious definitional shortcomings in the itinery as set out in the links provided.
This subject of Cow protection and symbiosis on cows and land appears to be following arbritary rules and roads in the Iskcon world and for me i find that worrying and disappointing. If we cant follow Srila Prabhupada’s mandates , His standards and goals then what are we trying to exemplify.??????
If we are to have projects such as ones in Hungary as krsna valley then what strategy are they following and why?
The idea from studying Srila Prabhupada’s Books is “Simple living-High thinking” its not that we are trying to introduce western styled economic solutions or practices into rural farm based projects. all we are trying to accomplish is mode of goodness lifestyles based on cow protection and land dependance. Its that simple,why do we need hugely expensive workshops to desribe our goals, its simple living not complicated living. We dont even need to get into “financial” models at all thats just a western conceptualised economic understanding in the lower modes of nature. How can that be compatibile to Cow protection in the mode of goodness? No thats the wrong answer we have to change our lifestyles to suit the mode of goodness and forget about western types of financial and economic solutions, they are not our soluitions, they will just create more problems!! y.s. dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 01.02.2013 @ 14:58