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Hare Krsna .
I have been in farming all my life. And the yellow 1.5 inch x 2.5inch yellow plastic ear tags are factual and not an exageration as explained by Nitin Bhatt. What is not the exaggeration? That they have yellow ear tags or the size of them. Look at a picture of a young calf with brand new yellow ear tags , they look ridiculous. And they do hurt the calf when they are clamped into the ears with metal pliers-like utensils. Not only do they hurt but the cows get them caught on all sorts of things and they get ripped out of their ears and cause loads of pain. Many cows have ripped ears from this and its violence in motion. Before the huge yellow plastic tags were small metal ones with the numbers etched into it but the humans could not read the number so the huge yellow tags were put in for the humans benefit especially the beef trade.
Yes the word COW is a way better term for describing protected cows. Cattle is for commercial herds of whatever gender of animals for slaughter so we devotees steer clear of such derogatory terms as the word “Cattle” to describe protected cows. Also we dont follow dictionary and “farming” definitions in the literal sense of applying them to Lord Krishna’s protected cows. We have an emotive reason for applying the word “COW” rather than the word “cattle”because we LOVE our cows rather than farm our cows. And the relationship with cows is one of symbiosis so applying the word “cattle” is redundant again. Cattle are huge herds of animals that are being farmed for beef there is no sybiosis, no love and no relationship as in cow protection. Thats why the word cattle is always wrong and it should be avoided by devotees. glories to the cows., Dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 05.01.2014 @ 14:45
Being a Kanishta Adhikari vaisnava in kali Yuga is an amazing platform to attain. being kanishta-adhikari means to follow 4 regulative principles and chant at least 16 rounds a day. Thats the qualification of kanistha.In kali-yuga thats an amazing platform to maintain and we have seen many devotees not even able to maintain 4 regulative principles.I dont agree with Aindra prabhus point that a Kanistha-Adhikari is not a Vaisnava and therefore can not be Guru, that is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.I think he has underestimated the Kanistha-Adhikari as if it is an easy platform to attain but i dont agree. I think there are only a few devotees that actually attain the heights of kanistha-adhikari in Iskcon.Madhyama-Adhikari and Uttama-Adhikarai are out of sight for most devotees.
In Nectar of Instruction text 5 Srila Prabhupada writes that a Kanistha-Adhikari can also accept disciples under certain conditions which means that not only is a Kanishta-Adhikari a Vaisnava but also a Guru capable of accepting disciples.
In Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.32 Srila Prabhupada writes thus;
“It is the duty of the siksa guru or diksa guru to instruct the disciple in the right way, and it depends on the disciple to execute the process. According to sastric injunctions , there is no difference between the siksa guru and diksa guru, and generally the siksa guru later on becomes the diksa guru.”
It depends on the disciple to execute the process that has been given by either the siksa or diksa gurus.Even if the diksa guru is of a lower status the disciple can always accept Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa. But the onus is on the disciple to execute the process to advance. A disciple can be given all the best instruction and association in the world and still not follow the process.We have seen this situation carbon copied by devotees.And because in Iskcon we have the unique situation of Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa eternally we all have that advantage whether or not the diksa gurus come up to the mark or not.We are all Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksa disciples and He is that eternal Shiksa Guru of Uttama-Adhikari status, but we have to come up to being good disciples and follow His disciplne.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 20.01.2013 @ 14:38
From S. Bhagavatam 10.6.19 this encapsulates the goals of cow protection simply.
1 There are many facilities afforded by cow protection for people.
2 Cow dung is used as a fuel as well as fertiliser .
3Cow protection supplies sufficient stocks of grains.
4 Milk and milk products along with grains solve all the economic problems.
This is the quintessential truth that cow protection affords to mankind.But it appears that we have forgotten the art of cow protection.
Mostly the cow protection projects in iskcon dont reach these specified goals of cow protection.They vary in their depth of accomplishments. This means that the projects as they have conceived and executed them dont work as they should.
What needs to happen in Iskcon is to thoroughly review the whole action plan so as to address the reasons that the projects have come short on. Perhaps an independent audit would be a good idea.Understanding the concept of “solving all the economic problems” obviously has not happened. Understanding the actual backdrop of where cow protection fits into Vaisnava community is another problem. The next item is obviously the symbiotic relationship with cow protection facilities that is clearly not working. How the economic solution fits into a symbiotic vaisnava community is the model that is just not being manifest in Iskcon cow protection projects. The obvious lack of integration by vaisnava community in iskcon illustrates how the cow protection projects have exhibited exclusive tendencies where there is no integrated infrastructure from the beginning for community to follow that relationship anyways.
There seems to be a huge lack of community spirit in the cow protection projects .And that needs to be addressed at all levels in iskcon.The use of iskcon funds and donations for cow protection projects also appears to have been misunderstood. Its as if the devotees dont know what they are trying to achieve by cow protection. The goal is misplaced and they are trying to fit western principles and western styled economics into a picture of mode of goodness cow protection. The two separate conceptions will never marry up.We as humans have to change our lifestyle to mode of goodness and on every level of cow protection.Its a great disappointment for us looking into iskcon how the projects are just missing the whole point. ys,dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 25.01.2013 @ 17:23
Hare Krsna Adikarta Prabhu,
Cow protection is practised differently around the Iskcon world,some projects really have not understood the goal of Cow protection at all. Others have not been able to set the background dynamics in place that Cow protection really needs to function in. Mostly devotees have forgotten the Art of Cow protection and the multifaceted facilities Cow protection affords us. Even in Hungary they have still alot to learn, grass management,alternative energy requirements,community governance, etc but most importantly what is missing in iskcon Cow protection projects is the simple principle of symbiosis, dependance on Cows and land. What iskcon tries to do is marry up western lifestyles with Cow protection which is why it does not work. Cows are in the mode of goodness and our lifestyles are not. If we marry up our lifestyles with the Cows in the mode of goodness then there is a chance that cow protection will afford all those facilities.
We are not supposed to be producing milk to sell-that is a misconception in Cow protection. The fundamental purpose is to marry up the community dynamic in a symbiotic relationship to solve the economic problems of life. Its that simple. We produce milk for the community of devotees, not to sell.We are not trying to make money . Then the economic dynamic is based on the hub of cows with devotees like the spokes of a wheel relating in that symbiotic lifestyle.The community is self-evidently symbiotic with cows. If we follow the steps in a chronological way then the community that is dependant on cows and land will become economically dependant on cows and land. All other cow protection projects are just a compromise otherwise-they try to fit in to a mode of passion or ignorance system by trying to marry up western principles of economics with cow protection-that is a disaster.
All our solutions in Cow protection have to be in the mode of goodness for the symbiotic relationship to work.The cow manure has to be part of that solution through energy resources,the creation of buildings have to be community orientated,the infrastructure has to be community minded, the governance has to be community driven and on every level the mode of goodness must predominate,then you may become successful. your servant , Dusyanta dasa from stunningly beautiful Wales.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 24.01.2013 @ 13:32
Hare Krsna. In the elaborate detailed schedule i could not find anything related to Iskcon and the Iskcon criteria for the definition of self-sustainability and how the Iskcon ethic of cow protection would work in the symbiotic relationship of the community in the economic solutions. There did not seem to be an integrated approach but rather isolated workshops. If Krsna valley is to represent the Iskcon ethic in self-sufficienty then it must represent the Iskcon standard.
Another worrying factor of the highlighted workshops was the use of the word “financial” which only relates to the use of paper money rather than wealth as defined in S.Bhagavatam.
If we read Srila Prabhupada’s definitions from the compilation book “Shikshamrta” there are overall definitions and detailed definitions that as Iskcon devotees is our mandate to follow. is krsna valley an Iskcon project by ownership or is it just an affiliated project.???
Depending on the answer to that question the response will be different.
But for me i found serious definitional shortcomings in the itinery as set out in the links provided.
This subject of Cow protection and symbiosis on cows and land appears to be following arbritary rules and roads in the Iskcon world and for me i find that worrying and disappointing. If we cant follow Srila Prabhupada’s mandates , His standards and goals then what are we trying to exemplify.??????
If we are to have projects such as ones in Hungary as krsna valley then what strategy are they following and why?
The idea from studying Srila Prabhupada’s Books is “Simple living-High thinking” its not that we are trying to introduce western styled economic solutions or practices into rural farm based projects. all we are trying to accomplish is mode of goodness lifestyles based on cow protection and land dependance. Its that simple,why do we need hugely expensive workshops to desribe our goals, its simple living not complicated living. We dont even need to get into “financial” models at all thats just a western conceptualised economic understanding in the lower modes of nature. How can that be compatibile to Cow protection in the mode of goodness? No thats the wrong answer we have to change our lifestyles to suit the mode of goodness and forget about western types of financial and economic solutions, they are not our soluitions, they will just create more problems!! y.s. dusyanta dasa.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 01.02.2013 @ 14:58
Yes Bhakta Matty i suggest you read S.Bhagavatam 3.29.15.purport by Srila Prabhupada. I was not saying my opinion but what Srila Prabhupada says in His Books .3.29.15. There is no such concept as “ahimsa” connected to milk and food production.The concept is minimum-violence its called natihimsrena.
The community model of Iskcon means a lifestyle that is symbiotically integrated with cows in the mode of goodness, whether you think you are transcendental or not.If you were transcendental then the three modes of nature are automatically included so that symbiotic integrated community lifestyle in the mode of goodness would be manifest at Bhaktivedanta Goshalla and there is no evidence of that. There is no community infrastucture that manifests the symbiosis in evidence there. How can you demonstrate Cow protection as defined by Srila Prabhupada if there is no integrated symbiosis of community?
The actual dynamics of Cow protection as determined by Srila Prabhupada’s mandates means that it solves all the economic problems of life.It affords so many facilities to mankind on so many levels. Agriculturally, Economically, Socialogically, Environmentally, Energetically, Communially and all the spin offs go deep into the heart of Society. But as yet in iskcon we have not reached that place as yet. In Iskcon we still only operate the Temple model and i dont accept that Bhaktivedanta Goshalla operates the community model or the agricultural model of Iskcon or that you are 70% S-Sufficient.
Saying you are the biggest Cow protection project does not mean you are practicing it in the community or agricultural model.
I know both projects that you have mentioned,well, and i know of ones that you have not mentioned run by iskcon devotees independently. And i have more years of Go-seva under my belt than you have. In fact i have been a Farmer for over 40years.And 37years of that in Iskcon. Why?
I understand Cow protection and the dynamics of the situation that it has to be in to actually work in the way Srila Prabhupada mandates. That situation is in an integrated symbiotic relationship with community in the mode of goodness.If you have no community related infrastructure, which clearly you dont at Bhaktivedanta Goshalla,how can cow protection solve any economic problems for society and community.What does your model demonstrate economically for Community?
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 07.01.2013 @ 17:52
I dont agree that Srila Prabhupada teaches that Iskcon functions an ahimsa policy with milk and food production.Its minimum-violence for milk and food producton not “non-violence”.S. Bhagavatam 3.29.15. Find it in Lord Kapiladeva’s explanations of Devotional Service.
I also dont agree with the way to solve milk production for devotees. If you properly read Srila Prabhupada’s Shiksamrta all the answers are found there. Iskcon devotees only need produce milk for Iskcon devotees-its called self determination, self sufficienty and this should be practiced within the community dynamic of Iskcon- which does not exist yet. We still follow the Temple model of Iskcon not the community model of Iskcon. So we have to shift alot of dynamics yet before we are in a position to produce milk for devotees in the way that Srila Prabhupada mandates.
Bhaktivedanta Goshalla still operates in the Temple model of Iskcon thats why it does not work there, what they should do is integrate with community, construct community integrated infrastructure so that the symbiotic relationship with cows actually takes place . Its not just a case of what you call cows whether its a “unit” or a “cow” but its the symbiosis relationship integrated with the mode of goodness lifestyle that creates the right background for cow protection to work as designed by nature.
Other wise we are just trying to put a western lifestyle into a mode of goodness cow protection life style and that dynamic will never work .Its like trying to put a square plug into a round hole.
We have to change our whole approach to Cow protection to work in the way that illustrates the symbiotic relationship with the integrated community. Other wise you will just be banging your heads against a brick wall for ever.Figure out what is mode of goodness lifestyle, mode of goodness relationship with mode of goodness cows, then you might actually start the path to the real conclusive practise of cow protection and community in symbiosis.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 06.01.2013 @ 10:56
From my personal experience i have found that chanting Hare Krsna is helped by so many external factors, and when we perfect these external factors then we can progress on into chanting with our hearts, in other words chanting your hearts out.
What are these external factors?
Become situated in the mode of goodness, find a welcoming building with character and integrity that is naturally friendly and warm. Let go of all pre-conceptions and what others may think of you. Obtain the association of Mother Cows and Father Bulls. Feel peaceful with yourself. Use beautiful musical instruments and especially a tune that has heart string notes to hang on to at certain parts of the hare Krsna mantra so you can sing your heart out to it. Chant for at least 3hours together, with no worries ,no children’s influence, no distractions, no electricity, no towns and cities in the distance, just you and your devotee friends together chanting Hare Krsna because you want to chant Hare Krsna. And for no other reason. Chant to the Cows, to the room, to the building, to the situation, to the Deities if you have some, to pictures , but chant because you want to chant and you have to chant. Dont bring your phone or just turn it off. Listen to the magically blissful tune that supports the Hare Krsna mantra as a picture is enhanced by the frame. Be totally aboard the chanting,there is nothing else that matters. Chant as if you are dependent on the Hare Krsna mantra and feel the mantra right through your being and let yourself go into the Holy Name because chanting hare Krsna is non-different to Krsna Himself, so associate with Him by surrendering to Him through chanting Hare Krsna.
We do not have any other shelter in this material world other than chanting Hare Krsna.
Once you have a taste for chanting through this process of chanting then you will always relish chanting wherever it may be but you have to obtain the taste.Thats why you became a devotee in the first place because of chanting Hare Krsna.
Get away fromit all and leave your phone, computer and whatever behind you ,they can never save you and adopt the mode of goodness lifestyle with Cows and Land and chanting Hare Krsna will automatically become the most ecstatic activity you can do and then youll want to pass it on to the next person and help save their life in this material prison house .
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 23.07.2012 @ 13:30
Aspiring to be a devotee, a Bhakta, of Krsna includes following the idea of growing food that is minimum violent and vegetarian. If we are to offer our cooking to Krsna and Srila Prabhupada then the devotion is required, but devotion does not existe existentially without some effort on our behalf. If we plant seeds and grow food that is truly vegetarian, with minimum violence, then there is more devotion involved in this offering than just buying some chemically produced food and milk. Where is the devotion in just buying from a store?
The mode of goodness already includes the other two lower modes and when we operate in the mode of goodness, either through growing food or any other mode of goodness activity then this already includes the other two lower modes and is therefore a better activity. In our activities in being a Bhakta then the mode of goodness is a better basis for these actions if we are not transcendentally situated. If we are tobe better Bhaktas then how is our devotion understood and measured by Krsna? Why would we offer just any old stuff to Krsna and then say its the devotion that counts, thats just a cop out! Our devotion includes planting the seeds and taking care of our food for offering to Krnsa, then this is the mode of goodness working which is a better platform than the lower modes of nature.
Cow protection also means operating in the mode of goodness to protect Cows and plough with Oxen , Bhagavad-Gita 18.44, but the problem with Cow protection is trying to protect Cows whilst operating in the lower two modes. Cow protection does not work in the mode of passion and mode of ignorance because Cow protection solves all the economic problems of life. In the lower two modes of nature the economic problems are created but the mode of goodness solves the problems so we have to at least operate within the mode of goodness to protect Cows and to grow all our own food.
Therefore any bought food product must have been produced in the lower two modes of nature which means they include non-vegetarian products and also violence, which cant be a good thing to offer to Krsna. Our mandate is to grow all our own foods in the mode of goodness , to protect Cows and plough with Oxen to produce all our own products which will then be vegetarian and non-violent, the real measure of devotion to Krsna and Srila Prabhupada.
your servant Dusyanta dasa. Wales.
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 14.06.2012 @ 16:57
I hope i am not deviating too far from the original context of the article.
Even if we dont live in the mode of goodness, the countryside, we can still cultivate that countryside mentality. This mentality is to become as self-sufficient as you can possibly be according to your situation and then its perfectly reasonable to know where your products originated for the offering to Lord Krsna. And because Lord Krsna is the goal of our offerings then it makes it all that more important to source our food products from devotees, from yourself, or from the countryside. The countryside mentality is to make the most of what nature provides naturally even beyond the purview of Agriculture and Horticulture.
Just as an example of our countryside mentality each time of the year around early summer there is an abundance of Elderflowers which are easily made into Elderflower Cordial which can be used all year round simply by collecting the flowers freely and combining with sugar and water and letting it sit for a few days.
Then also in the UK there are abundances of Blackberries, many wild apple trees, and farms where you can rent fruit trees for yourself, so these are all accessible and useful for devotees living in towns and cities but you have to develop the self-sufficent mentality and the mode of goodness principles.
Its all too easy to just use “money” to buy things but this is not our Iskcon mandate.This huge project is really the next big issue that is waiting in the Iskcon wings ready for unleashing on to the devotee community.Whilst there have always been some farms in Iskcon they have not provided the necassary food products to satisfy Iskcon devotees and many farms have developed the wrong mentality toward what and why they are farming, who it is for and importantly who actually is the proprietor, Lord Krsna. because the farmers have based their ideas on the lower modes of nature the farms to date have not actually solved the problems of life as they are mandated to but have actually caused their own problems.
The mode of goodness does not cause problems and cows are in the mode of goodness so combining these two modes of goodness together should mean that out Iskcon farms have solved the problems.
Unless and until we as iskcon have followed the mandate as set out in the Bhagavad-Gita and Srila Prabhupada’s multi-farious instructions on this subject we will just be floundering around with no clear way forward for solving any problems at all
Comment Posted By ananda dd On 25.06.2012 @ 13:21