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Therefore a pure Vaishnava, whatever his or her social status, should be accepted as a bona fide brahmana. Spiritual considerations should always override material ones. However, the spiritual essence is subtle and difficult to perceive, being covered by externals.
Therefore ISKCON needs to maintain even higher standards and monitor regular preachers. We can especially recognize a good preacher by his or her fruits. The disciples are the mirror of the guru. In particular, does he or she inspire, in his or her disciples and regular listeners, a strong desire to serve Lord Caitanya and be loyal to Srila Prabhupada?
However each individual devotee is ultimately responsible for themselves. As Srila Prabhupada says, “The whole world is full of cheaters and cheated. Because we want to be cheated, there are so many cheaters. “ Especially, when choosing a spiritual master a prolonged period of getting to know each other is always a must.
And even after finding a bona fide spiritual master, the devotee still needs to be careful not to cheat himself or herself. A devotee’s bad karma or inappropriate behaviour can bring down a spiritual master if the spiritual master is not careful enough to reject such a devotee at the first place. Therefore continuous self-purification is absolutely essential.
Sorry for changing the topic or rather for going back to the original topic of Vaishnava education but i have questions regarding the heart of all education – chanting and the Panca-tattva mantra in particular.
Personally, i have felt that my relationship with the Panca-tattva is not properly developed. So, i was thinking about chanting the Panca-tattva mantra for several full rounds in addition to my regular chanting. Is this alright?
I mean when we chant the maha-mantra we are pleasing Lord Caitanya and when we chant the panca-tattva mantra we are pleasing Sri Sri Radha Krishna. They are like the two sides of the same coin, right?
What is the general rule – should one chant Jaya Sri Krishna Chaitanya, Prabhu Nityananda, Sri Advaita Gadhadhara, Srivasadi-gaura-bhakti-vrinda just at the beginning and end of chanting my rounds or before each round? What mood should one chant this mantra in? Why exactly do we chant it? I’ve been around for a few years but i’ve got only superficial answers so far and i will appreciate if someone can explain this in detail, please. Thanks a lot in advance.
Your fallen servant,
» Posted By elin108 On Oct 9, 2011 @ 3:32 am
Hare Krishna! Jaya Sri Krishna Caitanya!
All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.
I would like to share a verse which makes it much clearer how to appreciate a Srimad Bhagavatam preacher or a spiritual master.
CC Madhya 8.128: “Whether one is a brahmana, a sannyasi or a sudra — regardless of what he is — he can become a spiritual master if he knows the science of Krishna.”
Purport: This verse is very important to the Krishna consciousness movement. In his Amrita-pravaha-bhashya, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura explains that one should not think that because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was born a brahmana and was situated in the topmost spiritual order as a sannyasi, it was improper for Him to receive instructions from Srila Ramananda Raya, who belonged to the sudra caste. To clarify this matter, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu informed Ramananda Raya that knowledge of Krishna consciousness is more important than caste. In the system of varnasrama-dharma there are various duties for the brahmanas, kshatriyas, vaisyas and sudras. Actually the brahmana is supposed to be the spiritual master of all other varnas, or classes, but as far as Krishna consciousness is concerned, everyone is capable of becoming a spiritual master because knowledge in Krishna consciousness is on the platform of the spirit soul. To spread Krishna consciousness, one need only be cognizant of the science of the spirit soul. It does not matter whether one is a brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya, sudra, sannyasi, grihastha or whatever. If one simply understands this science, he can become a spiritual master.
It is stated in the Hari-bhakti-vilasa that one should not accept initiation from a person who is not in the brahminical order if there is a fit person in the brahminical order present. This instruction is meant for those who are overly dependent on the mundane social order and is suitable for those who want to remain in mundane life. If one understands the truth of Krishna consciousness and seriously desires to attain transcendental knowledge for the perfection of life, he can accept a spiritual master from any social status, provided the spiritual master is fully conversant with the science of Krishna…
…This does not mean that people should take to His teachings and remain sudras or candalas. As soon as one is trained as a pure Vaishnava, he must be accepted as a bona fide brahmana. This is the essence of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s instructions in this verse.
» Posted By elin108 On Oct 9, 2011 @ 2:57 am
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I wholeheartedly agree with Urmila Prabhu’s post #359 about friendly competition among the devotees. Grihasthas, sannyasis, housewives, female preachers – all devotees are immensely valuable. The International Society for Krishna Consciousness is large enough for all of us and sometimes we simply have to agree to disagree.
I have read that even among the gopis there are pro- and ‘against-‘ Radhika factions. But their competition is a transcendental play without any touch of envy.
Criticizing someone wishing them success and criticizing someone wishing them failure might be exactly the same in superficial appearance but are diametrically opposite in essence and actual effect. Only Krishna knows anyone’s heart.
And i don’t feel that Srila Prabhupada looked down on women or that he didn’t want them to preach. I believe he was only interested in inspiring women to give up vain mental speculation and unlock their immense devotional potential. It appears he saw women as blessed and more surrendered.
SB 1.8.20 Purport: “Women in general are unable to speculate like philosophers, but they are blessed by the Lord because they believe at once in the superiority and almightiness of the Lord, and thus they offer obeisances without reservation. The Lord is so kind that He does not show special favor only to one who is a great philosopher. He knows the sincerity of purpose. For this reason only, women generally assemble in great number in any sort of religious function. In every country and in every sect of religion it appears that the women are more interested than the men. This simplicity of acceptance of the Lord’s authority is more effective than showy insincere religious fervor.”
I would like to take this opportunity to offer my sincere apologies to Urmila Prabhu because i got carried away in a separate online ‘debate’ with her. No senior authorities have asked me to apologize. Neither have i been shown an incontestable objective proof of an intentional offence on my part. I am doing it of my own volition and just in case :-).
Dear Urmila Prabhu, please accept my sincere apologies for any offences i have committed consciously or unwittingly. I am deeply touched by your full surrender unto Sri Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisances repeatedly.
May everyone give up forever all barriers to pure devotional service! May Sri Sri Radha Krishna be victorious in everyone’s heart!
Begging everyone’s forgiveness,
Yours in service,
» Posted By elin108 On Jul 21, 2011 @ 11:23 pm
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