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A Tale of Two Zodiacs

[Part 2]

Otoh, we can find quotes like:

It is this daiva-varṇasrama that should be established all over the world to continue a perfect society for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This may be astonishing to foolish critics, but it is one of the functions of a Kṛishna conscious society.(SB:5.1.24p)

Now, for the ‘uninitiated’, it may seem confusing or looking as Srila Prabhupada gives His opinion according to the phase of the Moon, but in the above quotes it’s clear since he used context-relevant attributes like the system of caste and daiva, so it’s clear that Srila Prabhupada is against asuric and for daiva varnasrama which is totally according to his statement about unfinished “50% of my work”.

Unfortunately, many of our leaders are still confused about and speculate “whether it is true?”, or “what did Srila Prabhupada mean?” etc.

However, just rewinding two sentences back in the 2nd purport reveals things very clearly:

Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, however, wanted to reestablish daiva-varṇāśrama.

and Srila Prabhupada as the perfect disciple of His Guru Maharaja just wanted to fulfill this instruction.

The statement of Varahamihira was a true statement at the time it was made. To insist that it is a true statement today requires that you devalue the definitions of the zodiac in Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta. I therefore don’t accept that opinion.

So you believe that Varahamihira is a conditioned soul like our humble self prone to commit mistakes and wrote his Brihat Jataka sastra to be relevant for a couple of years when both zodiacs were close together?

We’re too tiny souls and it’s better to use our intelligence trying to understand how it is? instead of whether it is? following in the footsteps of previous Acaryas.

your servant,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Oct 27, 2012 @ 9:13 am

Dear Vraja Kishor Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Your previous post has completely ignored that Srimad Bhagavatam and Surya Siddhanta (not Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor) define the zodiac tropically.

Not at all…

All things must be understood in context. We have clear, undeniable definitions from absolutely essential shastra stating that the zodiac is tropical. Other statements must be understood within that context.

…I simply did not want to repeat what was already stated clearly:

At this point, it should again be noted that the Srimad-Bhagavatam does provide descriptions of the tropical zodiac. There is however, no need for me to quote these as Vraja Kishor has done so nicely. But as mentioned above in relation to the Surya-siddhanta, evidence in favor of a tropical zodiac does not refute the evidence for the sidereal zodiac, as both the sidereal and tropical zodiacs are factual and are described in the Vedic literatures. The important point is using them for the correct purposes, and from the above statements of Srimad-Bhagavatam and Surya-siddhanta, it is clear that the sidereal zodiac is the correct basis for measuring planetary longitude.

So, the same ‘context’ about which you speak, is essential for proper understanding.

Let me offer modern example which creates lot of controversy within our ISKCON movement due to not understanding things in a proper context…it’s “varnasrama issue”.

Srila Prabhupada’s Bhaktivedanta purports contain references which seemingly give pro/cons in regard to the necessity of establishing varnasrama-dharma.

For instance:

The system of caste, or varnasrama-dharma, is no longer regular even amongst the so-called followers of the system. Nor is it now possible to reestablish the institutional function in the present context of social, political and economic revolution. (SB:2.4.18p.)

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» Posted By ggdasa On Oct 27, 2012 @ 9:12 am

Part 2
How is it possible that there is another opinion represented here by Vraja Kishor Prabhu?

He himself gives the answer(bold added by myself ):

“No, in my opinion you have certainly not demonstrated…That is my understanding…”

which is already ‘predicted’ by Antardwipa Prabhu saying:

“However, both of these causes for misunderstanding can be eradicated by studying under the guidance of a bona fide teacher.”

However, we know “Nothing New In The West”, so we can cite famous mahajano yena gatah sa panthah verse from Mahabharata:

Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, as the sastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate.

your servant,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Oct 25, 2012 @ 8:35 am

Dear Shyamasundara & Antardwipa Prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I’m very thankful to both of you taking your valuable time to masterfully explain those important topics in regard to Vedic astrology which might create confusion for those not so knowledgeable about Vedic astrology.

Shyamasunda Prabhu cites Varahamihira:

“The signs of the zodiac, Mesha etc., are represented successively by the nine padas (quarters) of the several nakshatras commencing with Ashvini.”

which makes things very clear demonstrating which zodiac is to be used for astrological purposes.

Here I can mention excellent article by Shyamasundara Prtrabhu published in the Astrological Magazine where he writes:

“…that in South India, especially Kerala, one was not considered a scholar of jyotish unless he had memorized both Brhat Jataka and Prasna Marga not BPHS…Indeed Brhat Jataka and its author Varaha Mihira were so famous and adored by the Jyotish Pandits that when it came to eulogize Dr. B.V. Raman he was honored by calling him the modern Varaha Mihira.”

So, the position of Varaha Mihira and his authority in the bona-fide astrological circles is well established without the need for cofirmation from the modern scholars and the verse quoted above is appearing at the very beginning of his famous work.

Respected readers can learn more about this Jyotish giant by reading this gem.

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» Posted By ggdasa On Oct 25, 2012 @ 8:32 am

BBT E-books

Hare Krishna!

I’ve downloaded two versions of Bhagavad-gita and 1st Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam and tried ‘em with 3 different (free) readers on my Android phone, but all of them have problem displaying all the diacritics properly.

Is it known problem and/or which ereader app would you recommend for Android platform?

your servant,
Gour-Gadadhara Dasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Jan 6, 2012 @ 10:26 am

The Life of King Kulasekhara – a great Rama Bhakta

Hare Krishna!

Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Few days ago I was asked to give lecture for Rama-navami in our local centre, but did not accept proposal since I was asked too late knowing I would have other obligations and not enough time to prepare it.

However, after reading the article , I phoned our leader two hours before the program asking him if I can read something instead of the lecture.

He agreed and ‘my’ Rama-navami lecture was just reading this wonderful & inspiring article of Shyamasundara Prabhu with just some small comments from our side.

Personally, I believe that Rama-lila is a little bit neglected in our movement, although such stories about devotees of Lord Ramacandra are proving how relevant it is for our devotional life.

We can just express our deep gratitude to Shyamasundara Prabhu for doing extensive research about King Kulasekhara’s life and sharing it with Dandavats readers.

Let’s hope to see more such nectar on this site.

your servant,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Apr 16, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

No man can run a family the way a commander runs an army

Let’s see what Srila Prabhupada says:

There is a story…Two friends were talking. One friend said, “This is cut by a scissor.” So another friend says, “No, it is cut by the knife.” So then there was fight. So the friend who was talking of the knife, he was strong enough. So he captured him: “You accept it is scissor, otherwise I’ll throw you in the water.” So other, “No, it is scissor,” so he threw him in the water. So when he was dying, he was doing like this. (Prabhupäda makes a hand motion like scissor) (laughter) (Morning Walk August 12, 1976, Tehran)

ys,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Nov 21, 2010 @ 9:59 am

part-2:

So, let’s forget about Manus, Valmiki, Srila Vyasadeva, Srila
Sukadeva Goswami, the sages of Naimisaranya, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
and other Vaisnava acaryas in our line ‘cause they did not present
teachings according to the needs of the modern age…

If our only business was to engage in propagating the
holy names and purify our hearts, everything would naturally fall into
its proper place without unnecessary worry.”

Some years ago one middle-aged lady approached me and said: “Dear
Prabhu, you have to marry and show the example. Seeing what is the
divorce rate in your society, you cannot expect that sane & mature
people will take your movement seriously.”

So, I consider that we have to become aware of our fallen condition,
the status from where we are coming trying to approach the platform of
pure devotional service and understand why Srila Prabhupada wanted us
to become established in the daivi varnasrama which means following
the principles enunciated in the above mentioned Vedic scriptures.

Unfortunately, thinking that we are more advanced than we are (common
disease in our ‘modern’ ISKCON) and that therefore “we can only chant”
and “everything would naturally fall into its proper place” results
that we have such high rate of fallen sannyasis and broken marriages.

ys,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Nov 8, 2010 @ 9:13 am

part-1:

Let’s all be modest and reasonably live within the modern
time period.

What does it mean?

Let’s stop trying to artificially impose ancient Vedic
social customs, and our misinterpretations of them, that are clearly
inappropriate for the modern age.

First of all, Shyamasundara Prabhu quoted Manu-samhita and here I’m
giving two quotes from Srila Prabhupada:

In every civilized human society there is some set of scriptural
rules and regulations which is followed from the beginning. Especially
among the Āryans, those who adopt the Vedic civilization and who are
known as the most advanced civilized peoples, those who do not follow
the scriptural injunctions are supposed to be demons…As for behavior,
there are many rules and regulations guiding human behavior, such as
the Manu-saḿhitā, which is the law of the human race.(BG-16.7p)

The conclusion is that if we want real peace and order in the human
society, we must follow the principles laid down by the Manu-saḿhitā
and confirmed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa.(SB-7.8.48p)

The point is that Manu-samhita, Srimad Bhagavatam and other scriptures
which we are supposed to follow speak about the principles and not
social customs.

Therefore, we are advised to follow the principles taught in the
stories like the one about Kardama Muni and Devahuti about grihastha
asrama as well as the ones in scriptures like Ramayana and Mahabhrata
where we can see Manu-samhita ‘in action’.

Moreover, Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu confirmed that
“Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless Purāṇa. It is most dear to the
Vaiṣṇavas…” – śrīmad-bhāgavataḿ purāṇam amalaḿ yad vaiṣṇavānāḿ
priyaḿ
– so who are we to decide what teachings should we extract and
follow and which “are clearly inappropriate for the modern age” ?

This reminds me of the Christian ‘arguments’ – when you mention to
them what we are supposed to eat according to the Genesis in
Old Testament, their reply is: “Old Testament is not valid any
longer.” It means that The God released buggy scripture, realized the
mistake and had to rewrite it from the scratch in the form of New
Testament. :-)

» Posted By ggdasa On Nov 8, 2010 @ 9:07 am

The debate over Srila Prabhupada’s rising sign

(part 2)

Sagittarius rising (Dhanush lagna) is not just my
opinion, but it is the opinion of many great astrologers of India and
the West, all of whom are admirers of Shrila Prabhupada and his
mission.

So what?

Many ‘great’ astrologers of India and the West predicted in 2004 that
John F. Kerry would win the Presidential Elections, while
e.g. Shyamasundara Prabhu predicted differently.

Does the fact that there are ‘many’ means they are correct?

Shall we provide a ballot so that all admirers of Srila Prabhupada
and his mission can vote on this issue?

Your main point of the presentation was

An avatar cannot have an ordinary chart as seen by Makara
lagna on the afternoon of Sept 1, 1896.

and Shyamasundara Prabhu with his thesis hit the nail on the head of
this argument by presenting astrological proofs how it is possible:

...In such a limited space we have hardly even begun to do justice to the chart of Srila Prabhupada.
It would really take many more pages to point out all the great features of personality which are clearly indicated in this horoscope...We should also like to reiterate that if two charts nicely glorify and describe Srila Prabhupada then the preference of choice should be given to the chart drawn up according to the time given by Srila Prabhupada.

your servant,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Jan 3, 2010 @ 11:09 am

Dear Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

My presentation is simple enough for the general audience
to understand, and to the point as well, so even a person who has not
studied astrology may read it and understand the topic. Often the
truth is revealed by simplicity.

Your presentation is “simple enough for the general audience to
understand”, but this in itself is not guarantee for the truth.

I have read the astrological account of Shyamasundara Prabhu.

Can you provide some astrological counter-argument which invalidates
his presentation?

It is not important how long and in-depth he makes his presentation.

It is because it gives appropriate weight to it and, so far, you
haven’t provided not the single astrological objection to his thesis
despite the fact that we (all the commenters) used it as a reference.

His main point was that he is a winner by default since
it is very important to take the words of the spiritual master as he
has spoken them.

First of all, I do not believe that Shyamasundara Prabhu is “winner”
because “it is very easy to defeat Shyamasundara Prabhu, but it is not
easy to defeat the truth”.

Moreover, I cannot agree that “it is very important to take the words
of the spiritual master as he has spoken them” – I consider “it is
most important”!

In his paper, Shyamasundara Prabhu provides another strong evidence


“Prabhupada became noticeably enthused and said: ‘Let us
consult an astrologer—whether I should go?
Whether I shall be cured? How long I shall live?
I was born in the evening at 4:00 p. m.
It was Nandotsava. You can consult an old
panjika to see the day. It was a Tuesday.’”

and Srila Prabhupada’s confirmation that the chart done (in October
1977) by Asutosh Ojha with Makara rising

"...to be quite accurate regarding his past."

You have re-open this old issue after 15yrs and not provided nothing
new which was not already included in Shyamasundara Prabhu’s thesis and
I only wonder what you want to accomplish with this “simple enough”
presentation?

(to be continued)

» Posted By ggdasa On Jan 3, 2010 @ 11:01 am

Hare Krishna,

Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I thought that the controversy over the rising sign of our Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is over long time ago, so I’ll just make my few points ’cause my astrological knowledge is very limited and the interested readers may check the reference which I’ll provide at the end.

Many countries like India adopted hourly time zones by the late 1920’s. Until then, the local time was calculated by the sunrise and sunset. Technically Calcutta is Time Zone 6, even though many astrological programs will give you Time Zone 5½. Shrila Prabhupada was born after 3.30 pm, which might be technically 4 o’clock.

According to the International Atlas India adopted IST 5h 30m East of Greenwich on June 18th 1911 and until then in Calcutta they observed LMT which is 5h 53m 28s East of Greenwich.

Moreover, after calculating the chart for Sept 1st, 1896, Calcutta by using Swiss Ephemeris library, it appears that rising sign is changing at: 3:30:27 which gives 0:00:09 in Makara.

It is about honoring the true position of His Divine Grace Shrila Prabhupada. If we have the possibility of two charts, one which is ordinary and the other which is extraordinary, and which appears within fifteen minutes of each other…

First of all, it’s not question of “fifteen minutes” since practically any time after 3:30PM LMT puts the rising sign into Makara (Capricorn).

Another point is that according to Srila Prabhupada’s “I was born about four o’clock.” as you cited, I consider it would be much better to try to follow Srila Prabhupada’s advice on ‘bona-fide’ or ‘philosophical speculation’ in contrast with ‘ mental speculation’ defined as:

Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita that "I am the taste of water." Philosophical speculation in the accepted sense then means to try to understand, under the direction of Sastra and Guru, just how Krishna is the taste of water.

An avatar cannot have an ordinary chart as seen by Makara lagna…

That’s why I suggest to try to understand “how the personality of the Srila Prabhupada’s calibre can have Makara rising instead of tweaking the data to fit with our (limited) understanding.

For more comprehensive explanation, pls. see “Transcendental Horoscope of Srila Prabhupada.

ys,
ggdasa

» Posted By ggdasa On Dec 30, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

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