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Limit the volume of kirtans in ISKCON Temples?

Loud doesn’t have to be ear-shattering loud. Please don’t quote Prabhupada to support the playing of those types of kirtan. Common sense should be exercised in this regard.

Anybody who is aware of Prabhupada’s standard of kirtan knows well that he was against kirtan that was all “clanging and banging.”

From his own words, kirtan should be sweet and melodious.

We can understand this by his own example.

» Posted By gracenote108 On Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:13 pm

Thank you for this article. I’ve been waiting for something like this to come up in the news

Many young people are also showing signs of hearing loss, and it’ll just get worse over the years. In the name of “performing the yuga-dharma” many instrumentalists don’t hold back their emotions and passions while performing in kirtan, nor are they conscious of how loud they’re playing, etc. Many devotees end up hurting themselves materially and spiritually due to these reasons.

However, we can talk all we want about this issue, but I’m more interested in how they’re going to implement noise restrictions.

» Posted By gracenote108 On Jun 30, 2011 @ 11:44 pm

Double-voice amplification kirtans in Iskcon Mayapur

Hare Krsna,

The reason I argue it is because when you hear a whole group of people chant in unison, there’s a special flavor to that. Like we’re all crying out to Krsna all at once to take us back home, back to Godhead.

With a second microphone, it kind of kills that because the second mic overshadows all other responses. It’s also inspiring, as a lead singer to hear heart-filled responses that is collectively coming from many people around you. Multiple people chanting with their hearts has such a flavor to it. It’s much more inspiring and pleasing than to hear one person’s amplified voice.

That is why I favor chanting and hearing the mantra (and remembering if you can do it) in kirtan. You wouldn’t want to do anything else but pay attention to the holy name.

I can respect the fact that you are singing in the mood of pleasing the deities. After all, the deities are only here for our love, but I find that the deities may find it more pleasing to hear many of their devotees sing their hearts out instead of one.

That’s all.

» Posted By gracenote108 On May 9, 2011 @ 4:00 pm

In response to #17:

Hare Krsna,

Sorry prabhu, I don’t think I was clear with my comment. Using the term “no hard and fast rules” in the context you’re using is incorrect and not in line with the purport of the acaryas.

As for the being attentive in kirtan:

Sadhu: HH Bhakti Visrambha Madhava Swami said, “It was shocking for me to believe the news of return of Aindra Prabhu. I first met him in February 1995 and congratulated him for his exceptional capability in chanting the Harinam and asked how he could derive so much inspiration? He said, “Chant with perfect attention the holy name, the name of Krishna.” Now he has been called back to Goloka eternally. It is a sad day unfortunately for the whole world. It is Radha-Shyamsunder’s plan to bring him back, but for us it is a great loss.”

Sastra: It’s mentioned in the Bhagavatam, quoting Prahlada Maharaja, that devotional service starts with hearing.

If you’re not hearing, but chanting, then you’re not getting the benefit of the chanting, either from your own voice or collectively as a group (sankirtan).

Also, in that same section of Harinama Cintamani, at the very beginning of that chapter. Haridas Thakura explains that the purpose of chanting japa is to come to the point of spontaneous attraction to the holy name. When you’re attracted to something, your mind can’t be diverted elsewhere. So the purpose of both japa and kirtan is to bring us to the point of attraction to the holy names.

Interview with Revatinandana dasa, Memories of Srila Prabhupada DVD. Vol. 1:
He [Srila Prabhupada] remarked that melodic instruments, including the harmonium, are not meant for kirtana, and he explained why. He said that the ear will automatically follow musical strains, and then our attention will be diverted from the mantra.

Here is another instance where Prabhupada emphasized hearing the mantra in kirtan.

I only speak from personal experience when I say this. Being more attentive to the Hare Krsna Maha-Mantra in kirtan has helped out, and is continuing to help me out tremendously in devotional life.

Just try it out, what is the difficulty? :)

Hare Krsna

» Posted By gracenote108 On May 6, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

In regards to comment #8:

This is what Srila Prabhupada says about the importance of hearing in kirtans…

Conversation in Bombay, December 26, 1976:

Prabhupada: The other musical instruments, if he plays his attention will be diverted in musical instrument, not to chanting. “We have to see melody, whether it is going on nicely.” But that is not good. Our concentration should be hearing “Hare Krsna”. That is… That is bhakti. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, simply this karatala, khol, that’s all. In those days… Of course, there was no harmonium, but many stringed instruments were there. Sitar, esaraja, but these things were not used. Sometimes we do use to attract, but it is not required. (Hindi).

Two more things that need clarification as well:

The ten offenses are not just for japa. It never says it’s just for japa, but for all the chanting of the holy names of the Lord, which means japa AND kirtan.

The second is the actual meaning of what is meant by “no hard and fast rules.” The acaryas have explained what is meant by no hard and fast rules in our scriptures. When compared to other practices like the chanting of Gayatri mantra, deity worship, astanga yoga, fire sacrifices, or any other variation of sacrifices like the ones listed, kirtan has no hard and fast rules. That is because unlike in those practices, kirtan doesn’t require one to be in a particular state or purity, nor does it require to be performed only a certain time, and kirtan is not limited to a certain environment or place.

This is the actual meaning of “no hard and fast rules” according to our acaryas. Many devotees misunderstand this point because they are not verifying their own conclusions with guru, sadhu, and sastra.

Commentaries on the Siksastakam by Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta are available online, or they can be bought in some places.

Hope this meets you in good health,

Hare Krsna!

» Posted By gracenote108 On May 2, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

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