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Is this for real? This sounds like a futuristic spiritual science-fiction story….. Sincerely, my respects…
This anecdotes should become a book…
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Sep 19, 2007 @ 4:18 am
I noticed a similar situation when I visited Mayapur last November. I was shocked to see the ammount of plastic wraps and bags around the road leading to the gathas.
It seems that a viable way to help this situation, will be to organise a campaign that addresses specific issues or areas. The usage of plastic bags is something that it is addressed in many places around the world, so there are alternatives that are already successfully proven.
If our temples promote a environmentally friendly campaign, I am sure there will be great success. The option of the cloth bags is one that may not be complicated to organise. It is ‘traditional’, practical and also can bring some remuneration for those local villagers that could be involved in the fabrication and distribution of them. It will certainly be an alternative ‘industry’ just as the clay cups.
I am convinced that particularly foreigner devotees can make a great impact in their ecological behaviour in the dhamas and also -due to the strength of some western currencies- make a great contribution towards funding such campaigns.
Hoping these initiatives make progress for the pleasure of Krishna and the devotees
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Sep 6, 2007 @ 5:16 am
Hare Krishna Prabhus:
It is very inspiring to hear that this sort of retreats are being realised around Iskcon temples. I think it is an essential aspect in our process of spiritual advancement.
Again, for those who are not able to attend due to personal limitations, it is ‘almost as good’ to hear the audio of these seminars. I have heard those of Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu and also the ones done by Sacinandana Maharaja and Bhurijana Pr over the years in Govardhana. They have worked wonders and to say the least, now I am very conscious when my japa is not up to standard…
It would be nice that one day these activities become integral part of our preaching (and practice) programs for the benefit of everyone. Maybe a page could be started where all these resources are made available for those who are interested.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Sep 6, 2007 @ 3:14 am
Some of the arguments in this discussion totally miss the point of Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Although there is an apparent adherence to the “Vedic” style of music, dress or food, this is not necessarily the bhagavata marga that Srila Prabhupada establish as it is claimed by some of the comments. There are ample cases in which Prabhupada adjusted traditional standards to form Iskcon, particularly in the west.
The very fact that SP allowed women living in the asramas and to be engaged in direct deity worship is one that is considered controversial by some advocates of the ‘old school’. The point is that SP mentioned that such capacity to be able to adapt was what it made the difference between him and some of his godbrother’s preaching.
There may be many things that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta did not do and Srila Prabhupada did (just as allowing women in the temple/altar), but that doesn’t mean that we need to take a smarta approach to the practice and preaching of Krishna consciousness. Weren’t somewhat similar arguments that were used against Srila Bhaktisiddhanta in regards of his use of cars, and some western dress codes to try undermine HDG’s preaching?
Come on, these things should be well understood by now. There are plenty of material that inform us of Srila Prabhupada’s practical application of yukta-vairagya in regards of the preaching and practice.
The funny thing is that while arguing in favor of the ‘real’, ‘traditional’ Vedic-orthodox style, allegedly being violated by those devotees (-who are doing the real-thing; harinama-), some of the contributors are definitely using one of the most beloved representative of ‘western’ civilization; COMPUTERS! What about that violation of Vedic tradition? Isn’t this a purely western instrument? (Maybe the Japanese and other ‘orientals’ have a a lot to do with it, but still…).
I really feel for those prabhus in devotional clothes, surely singing devotional songs and most probably with a lot of devotional intentions. However, their presentation is compared to ‘a circus’, questioned if ‘it is approved by a Maharaja or GBC?’, and that they shoudn’t be using an accordion….(because it is in the ‘lower modes’!?).
I wonder who benefits most; those sincere devotees doing the ‘Prabhupada-thing’ (as when he chanted with hippies in the parks and whoever else – talk about ‘circus’ and ‘authorisation’) or some of us comfortably in the company of our computers looking for split hair arguments.
All glories to the Sankirtan devotees!!!
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jul 29, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Could you please post a link to check the information about such article?
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jul 24, 2007 @ 4:18 am
Maybe a more ‘organic’ approach would be to hear from the Iskcon citizenry about what does it mean to be ‘a member of Iskcon’.
The intend of this motion (creating a Constitution) appears to be contained in the opening statement of the GBC chairman; relationships and understanding.
Even though a fancy and thorouh consitution could help to improve both, I sense that it would not be enough in itself. These movement is made of people and in the same proportion that such people represents the mission of Sri Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada, relationships and understanding will improve.
That’s why it could be useful to hear from ‘our people’. This could be achieved by requesting devotees to write submissions regarding the question ‘What does it mean to be an Iskcon member?’. It cannot be assumed what is the current understanding of an average Iskcon devotee unless it is somewhat surveyed in the different areas.
To have an idea of what people (regular Krishna dases & dasis) are thinking would give a ‘reality touch’ to a document that may well ‘regulate’ the lives of every devotee in Iskcon. If the proposed document lacks the required connectedness with the members of this movement, it may become just another source of discrepancy and resentment.
If the purpose is to obtain a ‘more formalized relationship between ISKCON and the members of ISKCON’, the initiative needs to consider the views of those involved. To some extent there maybe a recognised distance from Iskcon leadership and many of the devotees. Although there are established working relationships (as in temple managament or in discipleship), in general terms we may need to improve our communication channels. If this is not done, the distancing between ‘authorities’ and the Iskcon community at large will only grow more and more.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jul 24, 2007 @ 5:41 am
There is a manual (brown cover) produced by an Iskcon devotee (forgot his exact name) that provides you with all the details of cart construction and the figurines that adorned the Lord’s chariot.
It is a well known book and someone may have it there. Maybe put a note on the notice board or make an announcement requesting that manual. It is quite detailed. I have used twice in different temples so it is quite probable that you find it there. That Prabhu has done all the research and produced graphics, drawings and pictures so no need to do it again. Hopefully you find it soon. I think the name is Rasananda dasa (ACBSP) or something like that.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Feb 15, 2007 @ 5:47 am
A film of such event or rather a show touring some temples will be a’total ‘sold out’. Wonderful to hear how our seniors are enjoying so much their Krishna consciousness.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Feb 15, 2007 @ 5:56 am
This is a praise worthy initiative by the leaders of our movement.
It could have a more elaborate format where proposals are submitted before hand to be analyzed by some GBC committes or delegates. This sort of idea can greatly serve to the objective of “creating and enlarging the faith of the members in the movement” -as discussed in they 3 and 4 of the meetings- by obtaining realistic feedback at grassroot level.
The timing (5 minutes) for each presenter sound as insufficient to present and explain a proposal. Maybe a practical way to facilitate this could be the opportunity to present a question, suggestion or proposal to the local GBC or another GBC member or deputy to be read to the body. Maybe an office (or a devotee) assisting the GBC can set certain guidelines for devotees to elaborate petitions to the GBC body during the Mayapur (or other) meetings. Some of the valuable proposals could be added to the GBC agenda.
It is understood how busy the GBC members are with all their responsibilities, but it is encouraging that they are intending to openly communicate with Iskcon citizenry in an unified way.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Feb 11, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Jaya Govinda Charan Pr:
Seems that your article has generated some peculiar comments and exchanges. Although I’m not interested in the choco-debate. I would appreciate if you write to my email firstname.lastname@example.org. I assumed you are from Ecuador and we spent time together in Mayapur. If you are tha ‘Jaya Govinda’… pls write to me soon.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Feb 4, 2007 @ 7:06 am
Thank you again for taking the time to answer and particularly in a polite, respectful and yes,… humble way.
It is improper for me to ‘question’ senior devotees in their presentations. I am sorry if I came across the wrong way. I was interested in the ‘social’ angle of Ekendra Pr’s article (since I’m doing Social Studies)… anything in that line attracts my attention. Your article brought quite a pragmatic and a bit radical ‘approach’ to the discussion; that everyone should support sankirtana and ‘things will be alright’. Although at first it sounded somewhat abrupt, after following the thread it is clearer what are the main points; devotional service (from Ekendra’s article), and specifically this has to be ‘translated’ into supporting book distribution (from your writings). Did I get it right this time?
All along I presented my question regarding the difference between the two articles since I did not spot them at first sight. Now -from your explanations- things seem clearer.
Surprisingly, and apart from the topic of leadership and temples’ existence, I felt very inspired by this discussion since it goes around book distribution, which was close to Prabhupada’s heart. No questions asked.
These exchanges have made me think the value of SP’s books and the importance in trying to assist his mission. It reminds me the spirit of ‘the old days’ ( I joined in the early 8Os) when books where the focal point…. (In my temple for a few years at least).
You are right we shall all get back to the understanding that by assisting Prabhupada’s mission of increasing book distribution things will improve in society and “everything will be like Vaikuntha” (Srila Prabhupada).
Thank you very much, dandavats…
Humbly, your servant,
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jan 11, 2007 @ 8:50 am
Thanks for your reply.
My question was basically ‘what is the difference between the two articles?’.
In your answer you argue that ‘ devotees often use the terms bhakti-yoga and Krishna consciousness in a broad generic way’ without defining such broad generic misconstruction of the term.
It could also be said that ‘bhakti yoga’ (with all its ‘preliminary stages’) it is most broad and could include many situations in which an individual is potentially ‘on its way’ towards bhakti. Sri Krishna presents such broad approach at the end of Bg, chpt 12 and in other places. I don’t find the concept of Bhakti been miscontructed in Ekendra Pr’s article. It seems that you perceived it like that and took it as a ‘scapegoat’ to counteract whatever other distortions some devotees may have.
It simple words; the difference is not presented clearly, the consequent argument seems blurry, the further it is develop the more difficult it gets to see the difference. It seems that it is clear in your mind but it is not so in the article.
When I say ‘a more limited angle’, obviously I do not mean that ‘sankirtana is limited’, but rather your presentation in comparison with how Ekendra Pr presents his view. I do agree with your conviction about sankirtan but the way that you develop your point, particularly in apparent contradiction with the previous article does not match up. It is based on the assumption that Ekendra Pr is misinterpreting ‘bhakti yoga’. Before addressing his view there is a need to clearly explain where it is wrong.
In any case, congratulations for your enthusiasm about sankirtan, this is more a matter of plain confusion of semantics.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jan 9, 2007 @ 10:19 am
It is very unclear what are the main differences between this article and Ekendra Pr’s previous article. This proposes ‘Sankirtana’ as the means to transcend and Ekendra Pr’s proposes ‘Bhakti Yoga’….
After all the convoluted development of the idea in this article of ‘everyone needs to do books’ (more and more), it appears that both come to the same point… so what is the difference? It seems that some terms have different meaning (or connotations) for both authors, but ‘coincidentally’ the conclusion is the same…. devotional service.
If the word ‘yajna’ was used as much in the previous article, it doesn’t mean that the concept wasn’t there. Obviously Ekendra Pr is giving a social analysis of the link between ‘bhakti’ and ‘varnasrama’ based on Srila Prabhupada’s purports. Dayananda Prabhu is emphasizing on ‘sankirtana’ as the prescribed duties -for everyone-, also based on SP’s statements. However, this approach has a more limited angle, (let’s say for Iskcon members) but a valid one neverhteless.
It would be useful that the authors communicate directly to clarify understandings. For me -as a reader- it still kept me wondering, what is the difference?
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jan 8, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
It is a admirable that there is such an ‘official’ initiative. Any social service that our movement wants to provide will need resources; mostly ‘workers’ and funds. Once that these are in place there need to be a campaign to raise awareness and provide information and accessibility of resources for those in need.
Congratulations and hopefully this becomes an structured assistance for our devotees and -why not- people in general. There are many religious organisations that specialise in helping the needy. This doesn’t mean only those who don’t have something to eat, but includes anyone who needs assistance wether regarding addictions, financial necessity, mental illness, abuse, old age, etc, these are all areas that people in general may need help with and Iskcon certainly can provide help due to the quality of compassion that its devotees have.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Jan 1, 2007 @ 6:03 am
Dear Om Prabhu:
Thank you for your comments and your query.
It is a fundamental part of our advancement to be able to relate to others appropriately. Sri Caitanya and His associates showed this during His pastimes and certainly the Vaisnavas have that quality of offering compassionate association to the people in general. However, due to the influence of the age and the consequent conditionings that we experiment, relationships may be strained amongst some devotees and there is the risk to make this ‘the norm’. When this happens, the preaching is affected since newcomers do not want to remain in such association.
The aim of this analysis is to explore deeper in the area of relationships and proper association. I do believe that we find this in our Iskcon… in some places, but I believe also that there is plenty of room for improvement.
One very interesting point of the G12s is that each of their members take personal responsibility for a number of souls to be guided in their process. I asked myself ‘how many people do I have in my agenda… to help them in taking KC?….
The Congregational Preaching Ministry is researching on how to apply this principles; which are found in our own tradition, and apply them in the development of our congregations. In reality these are fundamental ‘pillars’ for Krishna conscious society, not only ‘strategies’ for preaching…
A similar approach is explained by Radhanatha Swami in his ‘Counselling system’ or in Niranjana Maharaja’s book ‘Taking Care of Krishna’s devotees. All these points are considered part of the approach towards preaching.
To be practical and before a grand formula or system is designed a simple application of such example could be to make a conscious decision of ‘helping others’ to advance. Write… say 3 names in ouir ‘mental’ agenda and think ‘I’d all what I can to assist these people in experiencing KC’
Srila Prabhupada truly became his first followers’ well wisher. He cooked for them, was concern about their health, will write letters to them, phone them, exchange gifts, listen to their problems and provide practical assistance in every way he could.
We may have become a bit too institutionalised in the process of growing and preaching. This is not a generalisation but rather a prompting (to myself ) that it is very important to be personal and committed in ‘preaching’ to others.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Dec 29, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
Thank you very much for your offer. This comes as Krishna’s answer for a long waited request.
How important it is, particularly in times where relationships are so impersonal and rather conflictive (in some places), a contribution of this sort.
Nowadays when arguments and consequent debates pop up practically on daily basis, the matter of relationship is paramount for pushing on this movement. Beyond resolutions and theorems of all kinds, if our spiritual relationships are not strengthened how can one advance in KC? The inmense number of devotees who leave active service because of the lack of spiritual care is proof of this. Simultaneously, the large number of devotees who are inspired to continue on -due to the same spiritual care- is the confirmation that this factor is crucial for the growth of our society.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Oct 6, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
As many other good articles with suggesstions, this one -I think- addresses an important issue in managament; “personal care”. As many “stalwarts” of our movement are pointing out, “impersonalism” in vaisnava relationships could be rampant in some areas or in some individuals. Unfortunately, this is sometimes observed in some of our leaders.
Although an interesting topic I (and assumedly many) wonder how much of this will be implemented? Personally I opt for seeking shelter in “personalists” devotees who are willing to reciprocate whether they have managerial positions or not.
Another point is that the Temple Presidents are not mentioned in the article. If the local structures are to be “re-organised”, the re-defintion of the role of the presidents or local Councils are of utmost priority.
There are obvious shortcomings in terms of time commitment and consequent lack of managerial efficacy. However, it is observed how GBCs deposit so much faith in the TPs that do not necessarily move the programs forward. It appears that inertia and the incapacity to objectively evaluate performance is something that may be hampering our progress in many ways.
The problem could be that we are expecting “too much” from others; whether the leaders (GBCs, Tps, etc) or the society as such. It may be more practical and realistic that devotees concentrate more on individual efforts (services and preaching) co-joined with other like minded individuals. Maybe a motion like this could eventuate (down the track) significant changes in our social structures and dynamics.
Still articles like this open up alternative considerations for the betterment of our movement.
Ys, Iksvaku dasa
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Aug 30, 2006 @ 4:51 am
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The important aspect of chanting is attentiveness. To equate chanting on clickers with inattention is to dissipate the main focus of our chanting and sadhana.
The ‘monster’ is not the clicker or whatever other method is used for chanting but rather our absent mind when the Holy Names are in our lips. That is what is warned by the acaryas and the sastras. I don’t recall extensive intructions and discussions on prohibited artifacts of chanting (or counting). The focus is always ‘how’ to chant.
Just as there may not be instructions of Srila Prabhupada on ‘clicker chanting’ he gives plenty on chanting with attention and humility. In the same vein, chanting on beads is not synonymous of attentive chanting. It is obvious and indisputable that beads are ideal but let’s not think that because one may not use the ‘clicker monster’ one is ‘really’ chanting.
Offensive (inattentive) chanting can be done with or without beads.
» Posted By iksvaku dasa On Mar 8, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
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