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Fallacy of the trans-Saturnian Planets

Dear Shyamasundara Dasa,

Thank you for the well wishes. Please accept mine as well. And thank you for your consideration. May Lord Narasimhadeva bless us with divine wisdom.

You are a very serious student. Please forgive me for being casual. I made an assumption that you had perhaps seen the same vast body of evidence that there is some connection to human behavior and the movements of the Trans-Sats. Admittedly based on the Tropical or Solar Zodiac, and admittedly only taking into consideration the most shallow of external personality traits typical of “western” civilization.

So I am unprepared with the exact references to the compilations of these observations which have formed the basis for the speculations on those planets and their influence.

I also feel inadequate to provide the exact quote from Parashara Muni where the implication was that in the act of condensation, there was also a witholding of that which was not relevant to the adhikari of those of an Iron age.

While I am open to the suggestion that my intuition is clouded by attachment, as is always the possibility when it does not match what we have written in stone by transcendental authority, I cannot deny the volumes of data I have seen, and my own observations that there is SOME connection, the nature of which has not yet been dictated by Pure transcendental authority.

Eventually all relative truths regarding the machinations of the material energy discovered through using the lesser means of aquiring knowledge, are reconciled by what is revealed by authority, for those approaching from the bottom up.

Please forgive me for still speculating on the mental platform here, but as you can see I am trying to give it transcendental color according to my desire to gratify my senses.

Thank you for being a staunch defender of the truth as you know it.

All Glories to HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

y.s.

Bh Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 19.09.2006 @ 15:55

Dear Shyamsundara dasa,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga.

I appreciate your exacting standards for the unfoldment of the education of humanity regarding astrology. I read the first few paragraphs, and then skimmed the first half of your article “Fallacy of the trans- Saturnian Planets”. From some of your comments, I could tell your position on certain points, and that nothing written further along would reveal new information unless you were to contradict yourself. So I will read the rest later for enjoyment, but I wanted to make a couple comments to you.

Before I came to Parashara’s Light, I studied “Western” Astrology under Dane Rudhyar, Steven Arroyo, and Dean Price.

First, Sri Parashara Muni said that he limited the information given in the Jyotish section of the Veda because it was all he thought required for Jyotish Astrologers in the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. Of course we know that some of us are experiencing and are to manifest outwardly the signs of a mini golden age in the midst of Kali yuga.

Second, before the speculators got carried away, there was a great deal of emperic scientific data which corroborated the effects ascribed to the influence of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.

Of course scientific observation is one of the ascending methods (aroha-pantha) of gaining knowledge and is supposed to be used to support avaroha-pantha or knowledge gained in descent from authority in the ideal situation. Nevertheless, when used diligently by a sober person intent on discovering the truth for the benefit of others, it is often used successfully to understand mechanisms of the material nature.

I have had my own intuitive realizations as to which exalted personalities the trans-saturnians represent. However, without the blessing of the Lord himself confirming those realizations, they technically remain speculation, even if I am spot on.

Now of course it is true that largely, the researchers observed the lower personality aspects of westerners behavior to pin their understanding of what the trans-saturnians represent. Still, we can often get indications of what occurs in the spiritual plane by viewing the perverted reflection.

In any case, I was just hoping that you might consider that there is more to be revealed, we do not know exactly how the Lord or one of his devoteesmay one day elucidate and perhaps corroborate both; my intuitions that the trans-sats represent the guna-avatars influence on humanity, and the large body of empiric evidence which suggests the movement of those Grahas through a persons chart DO correspond to obvious Psycho-physical manifestations.

Love to hear your thoughts.

Hari Bol

Y.s.

Bh. Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 16.09.2006 @ 16:46

A "TOUCHY" SUBJECT…

Dear Devotees,

Shocked by the Slander the Sudra contingent, I turned to Srila Prabhupada to let the chastisement be his.

Vrindavan, March 12th, 1974

“The varnasrama college has to be established immediately. Everywhere, wherever we have got our center, a varnasrama college should be established to train four divisions: one class, brahmana; one class, ksatriya; one class, vaisya; and one class, sudra. But everyone will be elevated to the spiritual platform by the spiritual activities which we have prescribed. There is no inconvenience, even for the sudras.”

“EVERYWHERE” “WHEREVER WE HAVE GOT OUR CENTER” “ONE CLASS SUDRA”

And if that is not enough to break the cycle of Sudra Bashing…

Conversation with Governor
Vrndavana 20 April 1975

Prabhupada: Therefore, what I have written, that?
Brahmananda: “As there are different sections of educational institutions, there must be one institution how to train up perfect brahmanas with ideal characters as above mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita. If there is a section of people of ideal character, say 5 percent, the other 95 percent, by seeing their example, will follow. In other words, a section of the society must be of ideal character. That is essential.”
Prabhupada: So therefore this varnasrama college is very essential.
Governor: Both intensive and extensive training.
Prabhupada: Yes. Proper training. It may be extensive and intensive… Doesn’t matter.
Governor: You said 5 percent and 95 percent.
Prabhupada: Ninety-five percent may remain non-brahmana. But this 5 percent, if they are strongly brahminical, then others will follow.

“95% MAY REMAIN NON-BRAHMANA” “95% MAY REMAIN NON-BRAHMANA”

“95% MAY REMAIN NON-BRAHMANA”

Please try to understand the mercy, broadmindedness and compassion of Srila Prabhupada’s plan for ALL VARNA TENDENCIES.

Y.S.

Bh. Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 23.09.2006 @ 18:34

Hari Bol!

All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga!

As a follow up to Tulsi Priya’s question about why a person replies to a stated conclusion based on siddhanta in an emotionally reactive way, it is because that person was not fully committed to discovering the truth about their potential shortcomings.

Many people enter into spiritual discussions to do one or combination of the following.

1. Attempt to persuade and justify to a group that their behavior should be accepted and not condemned.

2. Hoping to gain a sense of pride and prestige as being one who can state knowledge.

Such a person is not seeking to find where they are falling short of ideal behavior which can assist their progress in realizing their spiritual identity. They are not approaching anyone submissively in a mood to POSSIBLY be shown where their next improvement could be made. They are looking to be recognized and included for who they are, as they are, with the caveat that their status quo remain the same and they are willing to defend their right to not seek advancement.

So actually it is an offense to the Holy Name and to that person to criticize their expression and even to neutrally put forth the Siddhantic conclusion regarding their comments, once they have made it clear that they are unwilling to accept the possibility of being in error. Unfortunately, it is usually only after they are preached to that their true posture is revealled. Nevertheless it is never to late to walk away, or wish them well after politely requesting they go home.

Or if you are a very advanced devotee, your compassion for them may be so profound and your skills so honed, that you can preach to them anyway and break their defenses.

For someone of such defenses, this seems to require a very personal commitment to get to know them and a deeper understanding of their samskaras and hangups, so that one can feed the poisonous truth with just the right amount of sugar to slip it down their throat.

I was so emotionally bereft at one point in my life that I would take a hug from almost anyone at anytime. It took very careful preaching from a great soul, that allowed me to consider that I might be able to have my needs supplied via other suppposedly more ideal methods of interaction, for me to let go of what already seemed to be working and give something new a try.

Hare Krsna

y.s.

Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 13.09.2006 @ 18:06

Danadavats to the assembled Vaisnavas.

All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga.

Whenever a topic generates this much heat, there are gems being unearthed.

HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada was so liberally acommodating that he accepted anyone with any form of conditioned habits as an aspiring Bhakta as long as they were sincere about seeing where they were not acting in the ways that equate to a pure devoted servant of Sri Krsna, and sincere about purifying themselves to get to that point some day.

So those of us coming from the conditioned culture of America in all its variety of conditions are given a chance to gradually change our current behaviors into those which support us understanding and realizing our transcendental nature.

So if we are used to hugging the opposite sex, liberally, to get common human affection due to whatever shortcomings our selfish and backwards culture includes that cause us to seek affection in this way instead of feeling more self fulfilled most of the time due to a cultural heritage more rooted in the mode of goodness, that is what it is.

But if we are admonished that our behavior is a symptom of our lack of spiritual progress, what to do?

If one is already habituated to receiving emotional value through any form of exchange which is less than ideal, then practicing hearing and chanting of the Lord and his pastimes, and other positive engagements in devotional activities will eventually replace our need or tendency to engage in any of our past behaviors which were a sign of our ignorant conditioning, and we may even see ourselves engaging in forms of social behavior which reflect some of the ideal forms we have been hearing about.

It seems that it would behoove us to try adjust our social behaviors if at all possible without strangling repression, if not for our own advancement, but then for the sake of the children who are growing up and emulating us.

Because if there is an ideal way to act amongst the sexes which will make for a swifter and more effective practice of Bhakti Yoga, we can teach it to the children before they have the chance to form the gross material habituations which we older folks find ourselves entrenched in due to our low western samskara.

What I have seen in my short time in Alachua is something of a healthy balance compared to many other devotee communities that I have participated in. As if people are taking to heart that purification is a process, and that for most of us westerners, our ENTIRE lifestyle was contradictory to that which is most conducive to develop attachment, taste and more in relation to devotionally serving the Lord’s pleasure. The whole thing is regretable and needs repentance!

So we take all of the injunctions to heart but with a sense of priority, and try to replace one or two major bad habits first, and maybe some of the less grave will come in time.

Thus I find the devotees here to be more emotionally balanced and well adjusted, and well more HUMAN and personal due to a realistic and broadminded understanding of our current fallen position, and the struggle to relieve it.

May this razor’s edge be maintained towards the positive. Else it could easily degrade into Sahajyism and complacency. But I do sense it to be the best attitude all things considered.

Hari Bol

y.s.

Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 07.09.2006 @ 01:32

Ashram Changes and Temple Development

Hari Bol!

I was a bit shocked but not at all surprised to read that the article which initiated this thread was 10 years old.

Considering the lack of faith we have displayed as a society in concentrating our efforts with great intensity at fulfilling Srila Prabhupada’s orders regarding implementing and integrating the Vaisya dharma into Iskcon life, complete with SELF SUFFICIENT farms and cottage industry, (cloth making, milk products, products from sustainable forestry, etc), we could at least see the wisdom in such innocuous proposals such as Tamohara Dasa’s hearing aid distribution plan, to help us in our weak minded transition until we have firm faith in the solutions offered by the founder-acharya on how to support his movement.

How ironic. It appears we are the ones who need the HEARING AIDS.

And as the Misguided politicos pull tight the economic noose around the necks of all who live in the Americas, and the stores become filled with exclusively genetically modified foods, and the “terrorists” are let loose in this country once the Imperialist policticians make one last false move in the middle east, we will find ourselves with the short end of the stick and wishing we had listened.

It is sad for me because I live in a huge devotee community now, all terribly unprepared to go self-sufficient, but most I am sure with a conscience that will resist going along with the draconian measures the State will impose shortly upon the residents. Rock and a hard place and anxiety for all I am all but certain unless this topic becomes a CURRENT and HOT issue. So Dandavats to whomever dragged that essay from the dustbin.

y.s.

Mark

Comment Posted By mark On 07.09.2006 @ 18:12

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