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Pusta Krsna prabhu, i find this most interesting, thank you very much! :-)
This understanding led to the question to Srila Prabhupad: âIf Krishna knows our destiny, then He also knows when we might surrender unto Him?â Srila Prabhupadâs answer was always the same: âthen you surrender to Krishna now, rascal!”
this reminds me of the case of Bali Maharaja. the Supreme Lord knew exactly when to appear in order to obtain full surrender from Bali. he surrendered as soon as he saw Lord Vamanadeva. so i think that is significant. Krishna says that as Paramatma, He is situated in the heart of every individual jiva, so there is no wonder that He knows exactly what to do with us and when. by being situated in the heart of jiva, He knows all our most hidden propensities, the diversities, the qualities and the quantities, so to speak, and consequently He can guide us in favor of our advancement toward the pure consciousness.
Srila Prabhupada’s instruction is most mercifull. why waste time… thank you!
Comment Posted By marko-dasdasanudas On 20.12.2011 @ 10:55
this last point is also stated in the text 18.60 and in my humble opinion this is the absolute definition:
“Under illusion you are now declining to act according to My direction. But, compelled by the work born of your own nature, you will act all the same, O son of Kunti.”
in the purport Srila Prabhuapda explains that there are only two aspects of the will - it can be bound or liberated, according to one’s position:
“If one refuses to act under the direction of the Supreme Lord, then he is compelled to act by the modes in which he is situated. Everyone is under the spell of a particular combination of the modes of nature and is acting in that way. But anyone who voluntarily engages himself under the direction of the Supreme Lord becomes glorious.”
i haven’t been able to find any third or further scientificly explained subdivision or any need for that.
accordingly, to follow the understanding given to me, free will means to willingly execute the Lord’s desire PLUS to willingly submit oneself to be bound by it. it does not mean independence of any kind, because either free or bound, the means remain the same and the doers remain the same. one’s surrender is the only thing that can change.
Comment Posted By marko-dasdasanudas On 19.12.2011 @ 12:25
thank you devotees for this discussion. if i may, i’d like to contribute with two points from the BG, because as far as i have understood, the explanation is there in the BG, in full:
in 11.33 Krishna says
mayaivaite nihatah purvam eva
nimitta-matram bhava savya-sacin
which means, “They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasaci, can be but an instrument in the fight.”
nimitta-matram means ‘just a cause’, and that is our free will. i’ve found it unnecessarily complicating to divide this subject to bound free will, free free will or other subdivisions of the only two aspects defined in the BG (the only two regarding the subject of the free will. further division has been given to the question of the doer etc, but not regarding the free will).
then, at the end of the BG, 18.57, Krishna gives final instructions:
“In all activities just depend upon Me and work always under My protection. In such devotional service, be fully conscious of Me.”
in the purport Srila Prabhupada clarifies this point of the free will, beyond any further questioning:
“When one acts in Krsna consciousness, he does not act as the master of the world. Just like a servant, one should act fully under the direction of the Supreme Lord. A servant has no individual independence. He acts only on the order of the master. … Sanskrit word mat-parah is very important in this verse. It indicates that one has no goal in life save and except acting in Krsna consciousness just to satisfy Krsna.”
in 18.58-59 Krishna says even further:
“If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost. If you do not act according to My direction and do not fight, then you will be falsely directed. By your nature, you will have to be engaged in warfare.”
Acarya’s commentaries reveal the point that whether one is free or bound, the result will be just the same - nimitta-matram, one can become just a cause in the supreme plan, and nothing more than that. whatever we decide to do we are bound, either by the modes of material nature or by Krishna consciousness. but Krishna consciousness has been termed ‘free will’ because one has taken the choice of surrendering to the supreme will and therefore arising the innate quality of freedom, which has been fully ‘exercised’ only by the Supreme Lord.
Comment Posted By marko-dasdasanudas On 19.12.2011 @ 12:06