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Not male or female, the real question is who is qualified?

Personally,I feel part of the problem is the seeming failure of delineation between those who are perfectly qualified and those who are acting in the capacity of Guru without the same perfect qualification.

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.31

kaccid guru-kule vasam

brahman smarasi nau yatah

dvijo vijnaya vijneyam

tamasah param asnute

TRANSLATION

My dear brahmana, do you remember how we lived together in our spiritual
master’s school? When a twice-born student has learned from his guru all
that is to be learned, he can enjoy spiritual life, which lies beyond all
ignorance.

(Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.32)

“My dear friend, he who gives a person his physical birth is his first
spiritual master, and he who initiates him as a twice born brahman and
engages him in religious duties is indeed more directly his spiritual
master. But the person who bestows transcendental knowledge upon the
members
of all the spiritual orders of society is one’s ultimate spiritual
master.
Indeed, he is as good as My own self.”

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.34

naham ijya-prajatibhyam

tapasopasamena va

tusyeyam sarva-bhutatma

guru-susrusaya yatha

I, the Soul of all beings, am not as satisfied by ritual worship,
brahminical initiation, penances or self-discipline as I am by faithful
service rendered to one’s spiritual master.

PURPORT

The word prajati here indicates either begetting good children or the
second
birth obtained by ritual initiation into Vedic culture. Although both of
these are praiseworthy, Lord Krsna here states that faithful service
rendered to a bona fide spiritual master is still higher.

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 07.02.2013 @ 18:05

The Acharyas all seem to be in agreement on this one;

Vaisnava-ninda
Criticizing a Vaisnava
by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.

Having thus been forewarned about vaisnava-ninda, it is absolutely imperative to first ascertain what specifically designates one a Vaisnava, and then determine which acts result in vaisnava-aparadha (offences to Vaisnavas). All jivas fit into one of four categories: (1) ordinary jivas; (2) religious jivas; (3) brahmanas and those jivas who resemble Vaisnavas (vaisnavapraya jivas); and (4) vaisnava-jivas.

With the wisdom that Sri Krsna resides in the heart of all jivas, one should honour every living being. A deeper respect should naturally be shown to the religious jiva, and, beyond this, it is imperative to feel even deeper honour for the brahmana-jiva and the vaisnava-praya jiva. But above all, it is enjoined that one must worship and serve the lotus feet of a vaisnava-jiva.

If one fails to offer respect to the common jiva, special respect to the religious jiva, and befitting honour to the brahmana and vaisnava-praya jivas, then one incurs sin (papa). However, to disrespect or dishonour a vaisnava-jiva is actually an aparadha (an offence against divinity). There is no form of sin that cannot be destroyed by performing ordinary penances,but an aparadha committed against a Vaisnava is not easily eradicated. Sins affect the gross and subtle material bodies, whereas an aparadha specifically affects the jiva’s quest to establish himself in his constitutional position as a pure spirit soul, causing him to fall from his path. Therefore, those who wish to perform loving worship of the Supreme Lord (bhagavad-bhajana) must diligently protect themselves from committing aparadha.

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 30.01.2013 @ 16:40

Ananda dd wrote; “I dont agree with Aindra prabhus point that a Kanistha-Adhikari is not a Vaisnava and therefore can not be Guru, that is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.”

Actually Ananda Mata,it seems that it is indeed in line with SP’s teachings. According to the conversation below at least;

760206mw.may Conversations:

Dayananda: Even the jnanis and yogis become…

Prabhupada: What is these jnanis? They are also another rascal, another edition of rascals. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate. Therefore so-called jnanis, after many, many births’ practical realization, they surrender to Krsna. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma. Then he understands that Krsna is everything. But such great person is very, very rare. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah, very, very rare. Dayananda: But what about the persons who may be a little bit devoted but who have not achieved that unalloyed devotion?

Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari. They are not devotees, but they are called bhaktabhasa. There is some signs of bhakti. Actually they are not bhakta. Bhaktabhasa. Abhasa. Abhasa means a simple, a little light.

Hrdyananda: So devotee really means one who has love for Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes, unalloyed, without any condition. Anyabhilasita-sunyam, zero, all other, that I am this, I am that, I am jnani, I am yogi, I am karmi, I am minister, I am king,all these are thinking like that, they are all nonsense. I am servant of Krsna,that is greatness. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa. That is self-realization, atma-tattvam. …..,,.,…………………..

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 27.01.2013 @ 21:16

Can Greatness Be Too Great?

Some of our official spiritual masters seem to allude yo the same point. In Mahavishnu swami’s website biography it is written;

“In 1990 he accepted his first disciple as Srila Prabhupada had wanted his followers to also guide and initiate others in Krishna Consciousness. He took up this task in the spirit of being one of Prabhupada’s “monitor” gurus. Now he has initiated over a 100 disciples.” (Website biography of HH Mahavishnu Swami [UK])

In Śrīla Prabhupāda’s early book Easy Journey to Other Planets, there is a very interesting list of practices by which a devotee can prepare himself to go to the spiritual world. #13 reads:
“He must not take on unlimited disciples. This means that a candidate who has successfully followed the first twelve items can also become a spiritual master himself, just as a student becomes a monitor in class with a limited number of disciples.” [Easy Journey to Other Planets, 1]

Another spiritual master wrote;

“This concept of ‘monitor guru’ is not broadly discussed in Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. Here is one mention:
Prabhupāda: In India the system is in the school that the best student is appointed… What is called in English? The chief student is called “minor,” or… “M,” beginning.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Monitor.
Prabhupāda: Monitor, yes. Monitor. So He was monitor. 
[Room Conversation, Los Angeles 8/4/69]
The important point here is that in traditional Vedic education, there is a role of Monitor, where in the absence of the guru, the chief student monitors the class. I can recall other discussions of the Monitor Guru concept around the time of the early 1970s, but they do not appear in the Vedabase.

However, I consider myself and my service precisely in the role of Monitor Guru. I am not anxious to take many disciples; I will take only as many as I can instruct and care for nicely. Any more, and I would not be able to guide their spiritual advancement properly. I am simply a monitor, keeping the paramparā going until Kṛṣṇa sends a properly qualified ācārya to carry on the line.”
Ysvt.

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 18.05.2012 @ 18:16

Akruranatha Prabhu wrote;Of course, Srila Prabhupada famously mentions that it is best to select a spiritual master from among the uttama adhikaris (again, those who are so free from false ego that they have no propensity to criticize others), but he also mentions that an intermediate devotee or even a neophyte may serve as a spiritual master. The important thing is that the spiritual master remain faithful, both in how he acts and how he speaks, and that the disciple takes shelter sincerely, without ulterior motive, and learns how to properly discharge devotional service and chant the mantras given by the guru with all attention and sincerity.

Here is the actual section verse and purport that Akruranatha prabhu is referencing;

NOI Verse 5 (purport)
In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, madhyama-adhikārī and uttama-adhikārī. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikārī Vaiṣṇava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaiṣṇavism. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikārī. A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or a Vaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. 
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So Prabhupada seems to state here that A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or a Vaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples. However,according to Srila Prabhupada,it should be understood by such disciples and all concerned that no-one can advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under their ‘insufficient guidance’. 

So a disciple has to see such ’spiritual master’ as insufficient. Otherwise,he would not be following Srila Prabhupada’s Nector of Instruction. Such spiritual masters are then obviously not of the category of bona-fide Spiritual Master as described in sastra. 
Thus it would make sense that they must only be considered intermediate guide or ’stand-in’ untill the possibility ofsufficient guide becomes available.
It seems that Akruranatha’ understanding of what it means to be Saksi-Hari is coming from a very different interpretation

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 18.05.2012 @ 17:55

CC Adi 1.46
Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā, 
Chapter 1: The Spiritual MastersCC Adi 1.45 CC Adi 1.47

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

TEXT 46

ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān

nāvamanyeta karhicit

na martya-buddhyāsūyeta

sarva-deva-mayo guruḥ

SYNONYMS
ācāryam—the spiritual master; mām—Myself; vijānīyāt—one should know; na avamanyeta—one should never disrespect; karhicit—at any time; na—never; martya-buddhyā—with the idea of his being an ordinary man; asūyeta—one should be envious; sarva-deva—of all demigods; mayaḥ—representative; guruḥ—the spiritual master.

TRANSLATION
“One should know the ācārya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.”

Rest of full purport here;

http://chilp.it/0186f1

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 11.05.2012 @ 18:57

CC Adi 1.46
Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā, 
Chapter 1: The Spiritual MastersCC Adi 1.45 CC Adi 1.47

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

TEXT 46

ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān

nāvamanyeta karhicit

na martya-buddhyāsūyeta

sarva-deva-mayo guruḥ

SYNONYMS
ācāryam—the spiritual master; mām—Myself; vijānīyāt—one should know; na avamanyeta—one should never disrespect; karhicit—at any time; na—never; martya-buddhyā—with the idea of his being an ordinary man; asūyeta—one should be envious; sarva-deva—of all demigods; mayaḥ—representative; guruḥ—the spiritual master.

TRANSLATION
“One should know the ācārya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.”

PURPORT
This is a verse from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (SB 11.17.27) spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa when He was questioned by Uddhava regarding the four social and spiritual orders of society. The Lord was specifically instructing how a brahmacārī should behave under the care of a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not an enjoyer of facilities offered by his disciples. He is like a parent. Without the attentive service of his parents, a child cannot grow to manhood; similarly, without the care of the spiritual master one cannot rise to the plane of transcendental service.
The spiritual master is also called ācārya, or a transcendental professor of spiritual science. The Manu-saṁhitā (2.140) explains the duties of an ācārya, describing that a bona fide spiritual master accepts charge of disciples, teaches them the Vedic knowledge with all its intricacies, and gives them their second birth. The ceremony performed to initiate a disciple into the study of spiritual science is called upanīti, or the function that brings one nearer to the spiritual master. One who cannot be brought nearer to a spiritual master cannot have a sacred thread, and thus he is indicated to be a śūdra. The sacred thread on the body of a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya is a symbol of initiation by the spiritual master; it is worth nothing if worn merely to boast of high parentage. The duty of the spiritual master is to initiate a disciple with the sacred thread ceremony, and after this saṁskāra, or purificatory process, the spiritual master actually begins to teach the disciple about the Vedas. A person born a śūdra is not barred from such spiritual initiation, provided he is approved by the spiritual master, who is duly authorized to aw

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 11.05.2012 @ 18:39

Self-Identity, Conflict and Commonwealth within ISKCON

…one cannot associate with Krsna unless he has fully received the favor of the inhabitants of Vrajabhumi. Therefore if one wants to be delivered by Krsna directly, he must take to the service of the residents of Vrndavana, who are unalloyed devotees of the Lord. 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 5.18.23
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Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 16.04.2012 @ 17:29

The Lord exhibits his mercy through the agency of his pure bhakta. And so it is said the Kripa of the Lord’s confident is even greater then the Lord himself. Such a Vaisnava is considered All-Powerful!

http://www.krishna.com/vaishnava-all-powerful

“Bhattacarya offered him his due respect and replied, “My dear Gopinatha Acarya, it is through your mercy that I have received the mercy of the Supreme Lord.” THE MERCY OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN BE OBTAINED BY THE MERCY OF A PURE DEVOTEE. Lord Caitanya’s mercy was bestowed upon Bhattacarya because of Gopinatha Acarya’s endeavour. ‘You are a great devotee of the Lord,’ Bhattacarya continued, ‘and I was simply blinded by my academic education. Yes, I have obtained the mercy of the Lord through your agency only.’ Lord Caitanya Himself was greatly pleased to hear Bhattacarya say that a man can obtain the mercy of the Lord through the agency of a devotee. He appreciated his words and embraced Bhattacarya, confirming his statement.” (TLC 26)

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 11.04.2012 @ 00:57

Srila Prabhupada lecture on the Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.8 in Vrndavana India on November 30, 1976

 

So just like ordinary cloud is made possible by evaporating water from the sea, similarly, Krsna has the sea of mercy, karunayamaya, karuna-sagara. Krsna’s another name is Karuna-sagara. So as the air evaporate or the heat evaporate from the sea, and the cloud is formed in the sky, similarly, one who has connection or the power to evaporate the mercy sea of Krsna, he can extinguish the samsara davanala. And that is guru. Guru is the cloud or he is the agent of drying water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna and turn it into a mercy cloud and pour water on the samsara davanala, and then it is extinguished. Samsara davanala-lidha-loka-tranaya karunya-ghanaghanatvam, praptasya kalyana.

Therefore guru must be authorized person, not that bhumi-phala-guru(?). No. “I am guru,” no. You cannot become guru unless you are agent to draw out the mercy water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna. That is guru. And therefore a guru is not an ordinary person.…You cannot get Krsna by studying Vedas. That is not possible. There is Krsna in the Vedas, but you cannot pick up. It is not possible. But if you go to the Krsna’s favorite person… Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. Krsna’s very dear servant, confidential servant, is guru. Nobody can become guru unless he is in confidence of Krsna….We have to see whether a person is actually bona fide agent of Krsna. Then we accept him as guru. Otherwise useless waste of time. Gurur apy avaliptasya karyakaryam ajanatah. Guru is very confidential serv… Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih. Guru is saksad hari; there is no distinction between guru and Krsna…. Whether you are actually in terms of the sastra? Whether actually you are dear to Krsna, you are most confidential servant? That we have to test… So if this confidential knowledge, one who preaches without any compromise, he is the confidential servant of Krsna. There is no compromise. This is real religion. The Krsna says, na ca tasmad manusyesu kascid me priya-krttamah. So this is the person who has received the authority to draw mercy water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastraih.”

Comment Posted By nrsingha8 On 09.04.2012 @ 15:28


 


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