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Not male or female, the real question is who is qualified?

Personally,I feel part of the problem is the seeming failure of delineation between those who are perfectly qualified and those who are acting in the capacity of Guru without the same perfect qualification.

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.31

kaccid guru-kule vasam

brahman smarasi nau yatah

dvijo vijnaya vijneyam

tamasah param asnute

TRANSLATION

My dear brahmana, do you remember how we lived together in our spiritual
master’s school? When a twice-born student has learned from his guru all
that is to be learned, he can enjoy spiritual life, which lies beyond all
ignorance.

(Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.32)

“My dear friend, he who gives a person his physical birth is his first
spiritual master, and he who initiates him as a twice born brahman and
engages him in religious duties is indeed more directly his spiritual
master. But the person who bestows transcendental knowledge upon the
members
of all the spiritual orders of society is one’s ultimate spiritual
master.
Indeed, he is as good as My own self.”

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.34

naham ijya-prajatibhyam

tapasopasamena va

tusyeyam sarva-bhutatma

guru-susrusaya yatha

I, the Soul of all beings, am not as satisfied by ritual worship,
brahminical initiation, penances or self-discipline as I am by faithful
service rendered to one’s spiritual master.

PURPORT

The word prajati here indicates either begetting good children or the
second
birth obtained by ritual initiation into Vedic culture. Although both of
these are praiseworthy, Lord Krsna here states that faithful service
rendered to a bona fide spiritual master is still higher.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Feb 7, 2013 @ 6:05 pm

The Acharyas all seem to be in agreement on this one;

Vaisnava-ninda
Criticizing a Vaisnava
by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.

Having thus been forewarned about vaisnava-ninda, it is absolutely imperative to first ascertain what specifically designates one a Vaisnava, and then determine which acts result in vaisnava-aparadha (offences to Vaisnavas). All jivas fit into one of four categories: (1) ordinary jivas; (2) religious jivas; (3) brahmanas and those jivas who resemble Vaisnavas (vaisnavapraya jivas); and (4) vaisnava-jivas.

With the wisdom that Sri Krsna resides in the heart of all jivas, one should honour every living being. A deeper respect should naturally be shown to the religious jiva, and, beyond this, it is imperative to feel even deeper honour for the brahmana-jiva and the vaisnava-praya jiva. But above all, it is enjoined that one must worship and serve the lotus feet of a vaisnava-jiva.

If one fails to offer respect to the common jiva, special respect to the religious jiva, and befitting honour to the brahmana and vaisnava-praya jivas, then one incurs sin (papa). However, to disrespect or dishonour a vaisnava-jiva is actually an aparadha (an offence against divinity). There is no form of sin that cannot be destroyed by performing ordinary penances,but an aparadha committed against a Vaisnava is not easily eradicated. Sins affect the gross and subtle material bodies, whereas an aparadha specifically affects the jiva’s quest to establish himself in his constitutional position as a pure spirit soul, causing him to fall from his path. Therefore, those who wish to perform loving worship of the Supreme Lord (bhagavad-bhajana) must diligently protect themselves from committing aparadha.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Jan 30, 2013 @ 4:40 pm

Ananda dd wrote; “I dont agree with Aindra prabhus point that a Kanistha-Adhikari is not a Vaisnava and therefore can not be Guru, that is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.”

Actually Ananda Mata,it seems that it is indeed in line with SP’s teachings. According to the conversation below at least;

760206mw.may Conversations:

Dayananda: Even the jnanis and yogis become…

Prabhupada: What is these jnanis? They are also another rascal, another edition of rascals. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate. Therefore so-called jnanis, after many, many births’ practical realization, they surrender to Krsna. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma. Then he understands that Krsna is everything. But such great person is very, very rare. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah, very, very rare. Dayananda: But what about the persons who may be a little bit devoted but who have not achieved that unalloyed devotion?

Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari. They are not devotees, but they are called bhaktabhasa. There is some signs of bhakti. Actually they are not bhakta. Bhaktabhasa. Abhasa. Abhasa means a simple, a little light.

Hrdyananda: So devotee really means one who has love for Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes, unalloyed, without any condition. Anyabhilasita-sunyam, zero, all other, that I am this, I am that, I am jnani, I am yogi, I am karmi, I am minister, I am king,all these are thinking like that, they are all nonsense. I am servant of Krsna,that is greatness. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa. That is self-realization, atma-tattvam. …..,,.,…………………..

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Jan 27, 2013 @ 9:16 pm

Can Greatness Be Too Great?

Some of our official spiritual masters seem to allude yo the same point. In Mahavishnu swami’s website biography it is written;

“In 1990 he accepted his first disciple as Srila Prabhupada had wanted his followers to also guide and initiate others in Krishna Consciousness. He took up this task in the spirit of being one of Prabhupada’s “monitor” gurus. Now he has initiated over a 100 disciples.” (Website biography of HH Mahavishnu Swami [UK])

In Śrīla Prabhupāda’s early book Easy Journey to Other Planets, there is a very interesting list of practices by which a devotee can prepare himself to go to the spiritual world. #13 reads:
“He must not take on unlimited disciples. This means that a candidate who has successfully followed the first twelve items can also become a spiritual master himself, just as a student becomes a monitor in class with a limited number of disciples.” [Easy Journey to Other Planets, 1]

Another spiritual master wrote;

“This concept of ‘monitor guru’ is not broadly discussed in Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. Here is one mention:
Prabhupāda: In India the system is in the school that the best student is appointed… What is called in English? The chief student is called “minor,” or… “M,” beginning.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Monitor.
Prabhupāda: Monitor, yes. Monitor. So He was monitor. 
[Room Conversation, Los Angeles 8/4/69]
The important point here is that in traditional Vedic education, there is a role of Monitor, where in the absence of the guru, the chief student monitors the class. I can recall other discussions of the Monitor Guru concept around the time of the early 1970s, but they do not appear in the Vedabase.

However, I consider myself and my service precisely in the role of Monitor Guru. I am not anxious to take many disciples; I will take only as many as I can instruct and care for nicely. Any more, and I would not be able to guide their spiritual advancement properly. I am simply a monitor, keeping the paramparā going until Kṛṣṇa sends a properly qualified ācārya to carry on the line.”
Ysvt.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On May 18, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

Akruranatha Prabhu wrote;Of course, Srila Prabhupada famously mentions that it is best to select a spiritual master from among the uttama adhikaris (again, those who are so free from false ego that they have no propensity to criticize others), but he also mentions that an intermediate devotee or even a neophyte may serve as a spiritual master. The important thing is that the spiritual master remain faithful, both in how he acts and how he speaks, and that the disciple takes shelter sincerely, without ulterior motive, and learns how to properly discharge devotional service and chant the mantras given by the guru with all attention and sincerity.

Here is the actual section verse and purport that Akruranatha prabhu is referencing;

NOI Verse 5 (purport)
In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, madhyama-adhikārī and uttama-adhikārī. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikārī Vaiṣṇava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaiṣṇavism. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikārī. A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or a Vaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. 
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So Prabhupada seems to state here that A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or a Vaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples. However,according to Srila Prabhupada,it should be understood by such disciples and all concerned that no-one can advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under their ‘insufficient guidance’. 

So a disciple has to see such ‘spiritual master’ as insufficient. Otherwise,he would not be following Srila Prabhupada’s Nector of Instruction. Such spiritual masters are then obviously not of the category of bona-fide Spiritual Master as described in sastra. 
Thus it would make sense that they must only be considered intermediate guide or ‘stand-in’ untill the possibility ofsufficient guide becomes available.
It seems that Akruranatha’ understanding of what it means to be Saksi-Hari is coming from a very different interpretation

» Posted By nrsingha8 On May 18, 2012 @ 5:55 pm

CC Adi 1.46
Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā, 
Chapter 1: The Spiritual MastersCC Adi 1.45 CC Adi 1.47

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

TEXT 46

ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān

nāvamanyeta karhicit

na martya-buddhyāsūyeta

sarva-deva-mayo guruḥ

SYNONYMS
ācāryam—the spiritual master; mām—Myself; vijānīyāt—one should know; na avamanyeta—one should never disrespect; karhicit—at any time; na—never; martya-buddhyā—with the idea of his being an ordinary man; asūyeta—one should be envious; sarva-deva—of all demigods; mayaḥ—representative; guruḥ—the spiritual master.

TRANSLATION
“One should know the ācārya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.”

Rest of full purport here;

http://chilp.it/0186f1

» Posted By nrsingha8 On May 11, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

CC Adi 1.46
Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā, 
Chapter 1: The Spiritual MastersCC Adi 1.45 CC Adi 1.47

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

TEXT 46

ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān

nāvamanyeta karhicit

na martya-buddhyāsūyeta

sarva-deva-mayo guruḥ

SYNONYMS
ācāryam—the spiritual master; mām—Myself; vijānīyāt—one should know; na avamanyeta—one should never disrespect; karhicit—at any time; na—never; martya-buddhyā—with the idea of his being an ordinary man; asūyeta—one should be envious; sarva-deva—of all demigods; mayaḥ—representative; guruḥ—the spiritual master.

TRANSLATION
“One should know the ācārya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.”

PURPORT
This is a verse from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (SB 11.17.27) spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa when He was questioned by Uddhava regarding the four social and spiritual orders of society. The Lord was specifically instructing how a brahmacārī should behave under the care of a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not an enjoyer of facilities offered by his disciples. He is like a parent. Without the attentive service of his parents, a child cannot grow to manhood; similarly, without the care of the spiritual master one cannot rise to the plane of transcendental service.
The spiritual master is also called ācārya, or a transcendental professor of spiritual science. The Manu-saṁhitā (2.140) explains the duties of an ācārya, describing that a bona fide spiritual master accepts charge of disciples, teaches them the Vedic knowledge with all its intricacies, and gives them their second birth. The ceremony performed to initiate a disciple into the study of spiritual science is called upanīti, or the function that brings one nearer to the spiritual master. One who cannot be brought nearer to a spiritual master cannot have a sacred thread, and thus he is indicated to be a śūdra. The sacred thread on the body of a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya is a symbol of initiation by the spiritual master; it is worth nothing if worn merely to boast of high parentage. The duty of the spiritual master is to initiate a disciple with the sacred thread ceremony, and after this saṁskāra, or purificatory process, the spiritual master actually begins to teach the disciple about the Vedas. A person born a śūdra is not barred from such spiritual initiation, provided he is approved by the spiritual master, who is duly authorized to aw

» Posted By nrsingha8 On May 11, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

Self-Identity, Conflict and Commonwealth within ISKCON

…one cannot associate with Krsna unless he has fully received the favor of the inhabitants of Vrajabhumi. Therefore if one wants to be delivered by Krsna directly, he must take to the service of the residents of Vrndavana, who are unalloyed devotees of the Lord. 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 5.18.23
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» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 16, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

The Lord exhibits his mercy through the agency of his pure bhakta. And so it is said the Kripa of the Lord’s confident is even greater then the Lord himself. Such a Vaisnava is considered All-Powerful!

http://www.krishna.com/vaishnava-all-powerful

“Bhattacarya offered him his due respect and replied, “My dear Gopinatha Acarya, it is through your mercy that I have received the mercy of the Supreme Lord.” THE MERCY OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN BE OBTAINED BY THE MERCY OF A PURE DEVOTEE. Lord Caitanya’s mercy was bestowed upon Bhattacarya because of Gopinatha Acarya’s endeavour. ‘You are a great devotee of the Lord,’ Bhattacarya continued, ‘and I was simply blinded by my academic education. Yes, I have obtained the mercy of the Lord through your agency only.’ Lord Caitanya Himself was greatly pleased to hear Bhattacarya say that a man can obtain the mercy of the Lord through the agency of a devotee. He appreciated his words and embraced Bhattacarya, confirming his statement.” (TLC 26)

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 11, 2012 @ 12:57 am

Srila Prabhupada lecture on the Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.8 in Vrndavana India on November 30, 1976

 

So just like ordinary cloud is made possible by evaporating water from the sea, similarly, Krsna has the sea of mercy, karunayamaya, karuna-sagara. Krsna’s another name is Karuna-sagara. So as the air evaporate or the heat evaporate from the sea, and the cloud is formed in the sky, similarly, one who has connection or the power to evaporate the mercy sea of Krsna, he can extinguish the samsara davanala. And that is guru. Guru is the cloud or he is the agent of drying water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna and turn it into a mercy cloud and pour water on the samsara davanala, and then it is extinguished. Samsara davanala-lidha-loka-tranaya karunya-ghanaghanatvam, praptasya kalyana.

Therefore guru must be authorized person, not that bhumi-phala-guru(?). No. “I am guru,” no. You cannot become guru unless you are agent to draw out the mercy water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna. That is guru. And therefore a guru is not an ordinary person.…You cannot get Krsna by studying Vedas. That is not possible. There is Krsna in the Vedas, but you cannot pick up. It is not possible. But if you go to the Krsna’s favorite person… Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. Krsna’s very dear servant, confidential servant, is guru. Nobody can become guru unless he is in confidence of Krsna….We have to see whether a person is actually bona fide agent of Krsna. Then we accept him as guru. Otherwise useless waste of time. Gurur apy avaliptasya karyakaryam ajanatah. Guru is very confidential serv… Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih. Guru is saksad hari; there is no distinction between guru and Krsna…. Whether you are actually in terms of the sastra? Whether actually you are dear to Krsna, you are most confidential servant? That we have to test… So if this confidential knowledge, one who preaches without any compromise, he is the confidential servant of Krsna. There is no compromise. This is real religion. The Krsna says, na ca tasmad manusyesu kascid me priya-krttamah. So this is the person who has received the authority to draw mercy water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastraih.”

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

By the Grace of the Acharya and Spiritual Master one can always remember Krsna.Saksad Hari. 

yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado
yasyaprasadan na gatih kuto ‘pi
dhyayan stuvams tasya yasas tri-sandhyam
vande guroh sri-caranaravindam
By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Krishna.  Without the
grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement.  Therefore, I should 
always remember an praise the spiritual master.  At least three times a day I should offer 
my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master.

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 1.46

acaryam mam vijaniyan
navamanyeta karhicit
na martya-buddhyasuyeta
sarva-deva-mayo guruh
SYNONYMS

TRANSLATION

“One should know the acarya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.”
PURPORT

Only out of His immense compassion does the Personality of Godhead reveal Himself as the spiritual master. Therefore in the dealings of an acarya there are no activities but those of transcendental loving service to the Lord. He is the Supreme Personality of Servitor Godhead. It is worthwhile to take shelter of such a steady devotee, who is called asraya-vigraha, or the manifestation or form of the Lord of whom one must take shelter.
If one poses himself as an acarya but does not have an attitude of servitorship to the Lord, he must be considered an offender, and this offensive attitude disqualifies him from being an acarya. The bona fide spiritual master always engages in unalloyed devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. By this test he is known to be a direct manifestation of the Lord and a genuine representative of Sri Nityananda Prabhu. Such a spiritual master is known as acaryadeva. Influenced by an envious temperament and dissatisfied because of an attitude of sense gratification, mundaners criticize a real acarya. In fact, however, a bona fide acarya is nondifferent from the Personality of Godhead, and therefore to envy such an acarya is to envy the Personality of Godhead Himself. This will produce an effect subversive of transcendental realisation.”

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

ātmano gurur ātmaiva
puruṣasya viśeṣataḥ
yat pratyakṣānumānābhyāṁ
śreyo’sāv anuvindate
The Self is spiritual guide to the self, especially for human beings who through direct experience and inference are able to establish what is truly good for themselves. (11.7.20)

In his commentary, Srila Jiva Goswami specifies, however, that this intelligence arising from within also inspires us to find and follow a spiritual master without (gurv-anusaraṇe pravartaka ity arthaḥ). This is also stated by Krishnadas:

jīve sākṣāt nāhi tāte guru caittya-rūpe
śikṣā-guru haya kṛṣṇa mahānta-svarūpe
Since one cannot directly experience the guru as the intelligence within, Krishna appears as the siksha guru in the form of a highly advanced devotee. (CC 1.1.58)

Saraswati Thakur also explains here in his Vivṛti, “The non-self can never cause anything untoward or inauspicious to happen to someone situated in knowledge of his true nature. Thus someone situated in such knowledge does not get entangled in the perception of the non-self, but rather sees the presence of the Supreme Self (Paramatma) as guru in those things. Such a person is liberated and is truly capable of using the faculties of direct perception (pratyakṣa) and inference (anumāna).”

Krishna goes on to say that those who possess self-discipline seek him out, the Supreme Lord, by using their faculty of reason; and even though he is beyond the material nature, they are able to know him as the cause of all causes. Of course, Vishwanath points out the limits of reason—though one may be able to come to some understanding of the Brahman and Paramatman features of the Lord, Krishna as the Supreme Person is certainly beyond the scope of inference alone.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

 With reference to the boys holding kirtanas independently, our propaganda should be like that. That people may open different centers of their own, or each and every householder may have his own class at home. Not that everyone is required to join the society; they may take the idea from the society and introduce in their private life.

VedaBase => Letter to: Rayarama — Unknown Place Unknown Date.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 4, 2012 @ 7:58 pm

I heard Jayadvaita Swami mention a similar idea based on the model of Catholic religious orders like the Franciscans and Benedictines etc all under the umbrella of the Papal hierarchy. That way,Maharaja made the point that the different flavours and approach to Krsna consciousness could be similarly accommodated. I thought that might be something like the commonwealth ideal maybe.
Also I thought the previous comments about tolerance to be very important. I thought that if we ever start thinking our approach and understanding is supreme then we as conditioned souls might remember that we have a limited angle of vision and by definition always would fall short of a perfect holistic understanding. So,Only the Mahatmas can reconcile these differences purely.
Ysvt.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Mar 29, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

Embracing Unity in Diversity: Early Notes Toward a Rhetoric of Consciousness

1976 Correspondence

“Everything will become clear if you kindly read this chapter with attention. For example, we see that two lawyers in the courtroom may fight vigorously about a law point, but upon returning to the law library, they talk and embrace like friends. So you should always remember that we have no ill feelings towards Vallabha Bhattacarya. We have full respect for him, so there is no harm if these facts are discussed in the society of devotees. Devotees always humbly offer respect to everyone, but when there is a discussion on a point of sastra, they do not observe the usual etiquette, satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. They speak only the satyam, although it may not necessarily be priyam.” -AC Bhaktivedhanta Swami Prabhupada.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

Letter from Prabhavisnu Dasa

Bhaktivinoda Thakur; One who chants suddha-krsna-nama even once is indeed
a Vaisnava & Diksa (initiation) is unnecessary in terms of the existential
reality (tattva) of sri näma At this point, one more thing needs to be
considered. Be…coming a suddha Vaisnava does not depend on the process
of taking diksa (ceremonial initiation). Diksa is the process whereby a
person receives a mantra for the worship of Sri Hari’s deity form, and
thus comes at least to the stage of vaisnava-praya. In terms of the
existential reality of the holy name (nama-tattva), such diksa is
unnecessary. As Sriman Mahaprabhu has said: prabhu kahe,—“yanra mukhe suni
eka-bara krsna-nama, sei pujya,—srestha sabakara” Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
answered, “He from whose mouth suddha krsna-nama is heard even once is
worshipful and is the best among human beings.” eka krsna-name kare
sarva-papa ksaya nava-vidha bhakti purna nama haite haya Even uttering
Krsna’s suddha nam a single time destroys all of one’s sins. The nine-fold
process of devotional service (navadha-bhakti) attains completeness only
through nama. diksa-purascarya-vidhi apeksa na kare jihva-sparse a-candala
sabare uddhare One is not required to undergo the process of receiving
diksa or any preparatory regulative rites in order to chant krsna-nama.
Simply by coming in contact with the tongue, krsna-suddha Nama delivers
everyone, including even the most degraded class of men. anusanga-phale
kare samsarera ksaya citta akarsiya karaya krsne premodaya Sri
Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila (15.106–109) As a secondary result of
chanting krsna-nama, one’s material entanglement is terminated. The
primary result is that the mind and heart of the chanter become
uncontrollably drawn to Krsna and finally krsna-prema awakens in his
heart. ataeva yanra mukhe eka krsna-nama sei ta’ vaisnava, kariha tanhara
sammana Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila (15.111) One who even chants
Krsna’s pure name a single time is described as a Vaisnava;

Translated from Sri Gaudiya Patrika, Year 7, Issue 10 in Rays of The
Harmonist, Kartika.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Feb 20, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

The Art Of Negative Preaching

Here is another ‘heavy’ but relevant one;

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur;
Worldly people possess a double nature. They express one kind of sentiment but internally cherish a different purpose. Moreover, they want to advertise this duplicity as a mark of liberalism or love of harmony.

Those who are unwilling to show any duplicity wish to be frank and straight forward or in other words to exercise unambiguously the function of the soul. Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity. We will not keep company with any person who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of 100 cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe the same in regard to all insincere persons.”

(The Harmonist)

Also this is a nice article relevant to the discussion I think.

http://www.oneiskcon.com/2011/10/srila-prabhupada-speaking-strongly-2/

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Jan 11, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

Pitfalls of Democracy

The truth (satya) is propagated in a twofold way viz. positively or by the method of direct support and negatively by the method of opposition. The truth cannot be made sufficiently known by the positive method alone. Propaganda by the method of opposition more than the presentation of the positive aspect brings about more brilliantly in this world the appearance and glorification of the truth. The positve method by itself is not the most effective mode of propaganda in a controversial Age like the present. The negative method which seeks to differentiate the Truth from non Truth in all its forms, is even better calculated to convey the directly inconceivable significance of the Absolute. It is a necessity which cannot be conscientiously avoided by the dedicated preacher of the Truth if he wants to be loyal servant of Godhead. The method is sure to create an atmosphere of controversy in which it is quite easy to lose one’s balance of judgement. But the ways of the deluding energy are so intricate that unless their mischevious nature is fully exposed it is not possible for the soul in the conditioned state to avoid the snares spread by the enchantress for encompassing the ruin of her only too willing victims. It is a duty which shall be sacred to all who have been enabled to obtain even a distant glimpse of the Abolute.” 

~ Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.

Ysvt.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Jan 5, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

Letter of Bhakti Vikasa Swami

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur-The faults of others can be deliberated upon if one has a virtuous motive. We should consider that, without the right motive, it is inappropriate to reflect, even impartially, upon the faults of any living being, what to speak of Vaisnavas. To blaspheme pure Vaisnavas is an offence, but even blaspheming other jivas is a sin. Vaisnavas have no interest in performing such a sinful act. However, provided one has the right motive, the scriptures have not condemned a careful critique of someone’s faults. Proper motive is of three types: desiring the welfare of the person criticized, desiring the welfare of the world and desiring one’s own welfare There are three types of proper motive: 

(1) If the intention in analyzing someone’s sins is to ensure that he attains his ultimate welfare, then such reflection is auspicious. 
(2) If the motive behind reflecting on someone’s sins is to benefit the whole world, then this is to be counted as an auspicious act.
 (3) If such reflection is undertaken for one’s own spiritual welfare, then it too, is auspicious. There is no fault in such reflection. 
When a disciple humbly asks his spiritual master to instruct him on how to identify a Vaisnava, the spiritual master, desiring the welfare of his disciple and of the whole world, explains that those who exhibit unholy behaviour are non-Vaisnavas. He thus points out how to identify true Vaisnavas through antithesis. With the motive of encouraging one to accept the shelter of the lotus feet of a true Vaisnava by abandoning false, so-called preachers of religion, one neither risks committing blasphemy of saints (sadhu-ninda) nor vaisnava-aparadha (offence to Vaisnavas). In such cases, even criticism directed at a specific person is free from fault. These are all examples of criticizing with the proper motive.
Ysvt

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Dec 1, 2011 @ 2:48 am

So far as your question about controversy amongst the disciples . . . that is a fact. But this controversy is not material. 
Just like in a national program, different political parties are sometimes in conflict and make propaganda against each other, but their central point is always service to the country. 

Similarly, amongst the disciples . . . there may be some controversy, but the central point is how to preach the mission of His Divine Grace. If the central point is fixed up then there is no harm in such controversy. Every individual being must have his opinion; that is the significance of individuality, but all such differences of opinions must coincide in Krishna. 

In the battlefield of Kuruksetra were Arjuna and Bhisma who were fighting with one another, and because Krishna was on the side of Arjuna, sometimes Bhisma pierced the body of Krishna also with arrows. But still they remained the greatest devotees of the Lord.'” 

(Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Mandali Bhadra, July 28, 1969)

“Simplicity means that without diplomacy one should be so straightforward that he can disclose the real truth even to an enemy” –  Srila Prabhupada. 

Ysvt

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Nov 30, 2011 @ 8:32 pm

So far as your question about controversy amongst the disciples . . . that is a fact. But this controversy is not material. 
Just like in a national program, different political parties are sometimes in conflict and make propaganda against each other, but their central point is always service to the country. 

Similarly, amongst the disciples . . . there may be some controversy, but the central point is how to preach the mission of His Divine Grace. If the central point is fixed up then there is no harm in such controversy. Every individual being must have his opinion; that is the significance of individuality, but all such differences of opinions must coincide in Krishna. 

In the battlefield of Kuruksetra were Arjuna and Bhisma who were fighting with one another, and because Krishna was on the side of Arjuna, sometimes Bhisma pierced the body of Krishna also with arrows. But still they remained the greatest devotees of the Lord.'” 

(Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Mandali Bhadra, July 28, 1969)
Dear Puskaraksa prabhu, as individuals we are empowered not morons or unthinking zombies… thats why KC is for intelligent people. Would you not agree prabhu?
Ysvt. 

“Simplicity means that without diplomacy one should be so straightforward that he can disclose the real truth even to an enemy” –  Srila Prabhupada. 

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Nov 29, 2011 @ 6:22 pm

The Lib/Com Discussions

Here is an excerpt from a similar and very interesting letter buried deep in the ‘Secretary Correspondence’ section of the Vedabase. It was authored by Karandhar dasa and Shyamasundar dasa and read and approved by Srila Prabhupada.

Memo to all GBC Members and Temple Presidents
22 June 1972

“Srila Prabhupada has instructed that we issue a letter of direction to you all regarding the business of travelling road shows, electronic music, and drama presentation. His Divine Grace has instructed that these things should stop. Our process is kirtan, philosophy and prasadam, and nothing more. We do not need to glamorize or spectacularize beyond these simple methods at the risk of deviating from the Disciplic Line of presentation and diminshing the gravity of our message. All the new additions, i.e. electronic musical instrumentation, so-called dramas and plays, songs written by devotees (Prabhupada said that it is prohibited for a Vaisnava to write songs unless he is on the liberated platform; then they area as good as the Vedas), and public relation-promotion departments are unecessary and artifical. Granted, people may be entertained by the incorporation of such things, but they will not take us seriously nor understand the actual import of Krishna Consciousness. The conditioned souls will be attracted by the Holy Name sincerely chanted by pure devotees and the perfect knowledge of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam as rendered by the Acaryas. There is absolutley no need of anything more. Our presentation should not become a cheap flim flamery to attract mediocre and mundane mentalities.”
ysvt

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Dec 2, 2011 @ 4:47 pm

OPEN LETTER TO Bhakti Vikasa Swami

Santäù means the persons who are sädhu, who are pious. They can cut off by their words our attachment with this material world. They can cut off. Just like Krishna is speaking to Arjuna. What is the idea of speaking so many things? Just to cut off his attachment from the so-called material affection. He is affected with something which is stumbling his progress in his own duty. So He is, Krishna is presenting His Bhagavad-gita just to cut off. Santä eva hi chindanti uktibhiù. Uktibhiù. Chindanti means cut. Now, for cutting something we require some sharpened instrument. But here, to cut off the mind from attachment, it requires sharpened ukti. Ukti means words. Sharpened topics. There should not be… Just like when a person cuts something, there is no mercy, similarly when a sädhu or a person saint, speaks to his student, he does not make, show any mercy. He speaks the truth so that his mind may be cut off from the unreal attachment.
Just like Krishna is saying. Krishna… Arjuna first addressed to Arjuna. He said, açocyän anvaçocas tvaà prajïä-vädäàç ca bhäñase [Bg. 2.11]. “Oh, you are talking like a very learned man, but you are fool number one.” You see. How strong word He has used. So so far, if we want detachment from this material world, then we should be prepared to accept such cutting words from the master. Santäù pasya(?) chindanti uktibhiù. Uktibhiù. We should not make compromise: “Oh, don’t speak such strong words.” Required, it is required. So bandhur ätmä. Anätmanas tu çatrutve vartetätmaiva çatruvat. Anätmanaù.
(Bg 6.4-12 New York September 4 1966)

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» Posted By nrsingha8 On Oct 18, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

Prabhupada: Just like our Mr. George Harrison, he raised how many millions dollars for…[Concert for Bangladesh].

Karandhara: Nine million.

Prabhupada: Nine million dollars, and, to the… This is going on. In the Bhagavad-gītā we don’t find anywhere a single line that “You raise funds for,” I mean to say, “giving relief to the poor” or “to the suffering.” Is there any instruction in Bhagavad-gītā? You have read? Can you find out? But these people, they have become more learned than Krsna. In our country, Vivekananda: daridra-nārāyaṇa-sevā. The whole Ramakrishna Mission is collecting funds only on this rascal plea. One Swami Nikhilananda, he told me “Now the Americans are questioning that you are raising fund for feeding the poor, but when we go to India we see simply poor men. What you are doing with this money?” Actually they are doing nothing. They are collecting money in the name of feeding the poor, and they are living just like royal style, you see, eating all, everything.

Ysvt.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Oct 14, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

Unfortunately, it happens that someone who is not fit to become a spiritual master may approach wealthy persons to contribute for temple constructions. If such money is utilized by unqualified spiritual masters to live comfortably in costly temples without actually doing any preaching work, this is not acceptable. In other words, a spiritual master needn’t be very enthusiastic for constructing temple buildings simply in the name of so-called spiritual advancement. Rather, his first and foremost activity should be to preach. In this connection, Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāj recommended that a spiritual master print books. If one has money, instead of constructing costly temples, one should spend his money for the publication of authorized books in different languages for propagating the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. The Nectar of Devotion – Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Oct 14, 2011 @ 6:47 pm

The Right To Know – The Vaisnava Way

The maturity of a society is measured by how it deals with critics.   TO ERASE CRITICISM IS ALWAYS A SIGN OF FEAR- THAT ONE  DOES NOT REALLY HAVE FAITH THAT ONE IS IN THE TRUTH: because truth does not need to be defended. It is sva-pramanya (self-illuminous). A sincere searcher on the way home is inviting other opinions and he wants to consider them thoroughly, and then make a decision in his heart. It could be said that only children have to be protected from unorthodoxy. Hare Krishna.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Sep 18, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

_Our Srila Prabhupada, A Friend to All_ “Early Contemporaries Remember Him.” 

Early in the book is an interview with Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Goswami Maharaja. There are a lot of interesting things that he’d said therein, this being one of them: 

“Later Abhaya Caranaravinda Prabhu wrote another dramatic article — this time about some of the leaders in the Gaudiya Matha. The article explained how the institution was coming apart after Srila Prabhupada’s departure. Grihasthas were giving up their wives and loving others’ wives, and in the name of developing the mission, some were putting all the money collected into their own pockets. Sannyasis, even those who had been with their [Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati] Prabhupada, were making buildings and sending all the money to their sons in their former homes to go to high school and university, or to go to England and America to study law and other things. 

He wrote about this situation and the first part was published in our Bhagavata-patrika and Gaudiya-patrika. At once a big storm broke out in the whole Gaudiya Mission. Although only about three pages were printed, letters began to come from many Gaudiya Mathas. “It was like a revolution. Our guru maharaja and Abhaya Caranaravinda Prabhu were talking and smiling very secretly together. Prabhu said, ‘We should publish more of it. Why not?’ Guru Maharaja was also in favor of publishing it. However many of the godbrothers exclaimed, ‘Oh, Kesava Maharaja, what are you doing, printing this? Then everyone will know and will criticize the Gaudiya Matha. These are our private family matters.’ Even Pujyapada Srila Sridhara Maharaja, who was highly respected by all, was consulted. Many godbrothers came to Mathura at that time and Abhaya Caranaravinda Prabhu was residing here in our matha. Srila Tirtha Maharaja andother devotees asked, ‘What are you going to do? If you print this then our present institution will be smashed.’ Guru Maharaja and Abhaya Caranaravinda Prabhu were smiling and asking each other, ‘Oh, what to do?’ But when requested by so many godbrothers they decided, ‘Later on we may publish the articles, but for now we should obey their orders.’” Hare Krishna.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Sep 15, 2011 @ 11:01 am

A Greater Reward

Another consideration might be that this Russian person may have been a potential criminal who might have been better off in jail then able to perform possible nefarious activities. The devotees in this instance might even have indirectly aided him in freeing him up to continue his criminal life. Who knows?
Ysvt.

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Jul 19, 2011 @ 1:51 pm

On things Quantum

Yes,incisive point Ramavijaya prabhu. Sometimes as devotees we fail to understand that bhakti is rarely attained.Of course bhaktiabhasa can be experienced easily by the common mass of people.

“So, you will have to ‘die to live’- by dying to your false ego, your self-aggrandizing tendency, you can live, live in the world of service, divine service. Everyone is trying to live in this world avoiding death, physical death. They are trying to ‘live without death’, and that of course is not possible. Just as it is not possible in the ordinary sense to live without death, so you also, who are aspiring for divine life, don’t try to live, without death! Die now! Die, to both your exploiting and renouncing tendencies, to really live in service divine.”

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Mar 29, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

Three Levels of Devotees Which One Are You?

.— From the introduction to the Sri Krsna Samhita bySrila Bhaktivinode Thakur.

On the nature of sectarianism;

The people of India and other countries may be divided into two categories- the asslike and the swanlike. Of these two, the asslike are in the majority. The swanlike are in the minority. Swanlike people abstract the purport of the scriptures for their own advancement and thus benefit themselves…

Everyone has the right to discuss spiritual topics. Yet people are divided into three categories according to their qualifications. Those who do not posses independent power of discrimination are in the first category and are called neophytes, or those with soft faith. They have no alternative to faith. If they do not accept whatever the compilers of the scriptures write as the order of the Lord, then they fall down. They are qualified only for understanding the gross meanings of the science of Krsna; they have no qualification for understanding the subtle meanings. Until they gradually advance by good association and instruction, they should try to advance under the shelter of faith.

Gauranga!

» Posted By nrsingha8 On Aug 31, 2011 @ 9:36 pm

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