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\nBy Patitapavana dasa<\/strong><\/p>\n

In the Srimad Bhagavatam lecture 1.7.16, Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada explains that some fell down from playing football in Krishna-loka.<\/p>\n

“\u2026.so long the spark is within the fire, it has got the same quality, illumination and burning quality. But as soon as he falls down- he is extinguished, no more illumination, no more burning power. So our position is like that. Although we are part and parcel of God, mamaivamso [Bg. 15.7], because we have cyuta, fallen down from our spiritual atmosphere\u2026Just like spiritual atmosphere, Krsna’s friends, cowherd boys, they’re playing with Krsna. That is also playing. And here in this material world the boys they also play football play. But these two plays are different. One is spiritual and another is material…There are three chances. One chance is the spark falls down on dry grass-then there is fire. As soon as the spark falls down on the dry grass there is fire for some time. And when the spark falls down on the ground, it is extinguished. And when the fire, spark, falls down on the water, then it is not only extinguished; it becomes no more inflammable. Very difficult to inflame. Similarly, when we fall down from the fire, spiritual world, we associate with three qualities.”<\/p>\n

In Srimad Bhagavatam 10.11.39 it says<\/p>\n

\u201cSometimes Krishna and Balarama would play on Their flutes, sometimes They would throw ropes and stones devised for getting fruits from the trees, sometimes They would throw only stones, and sometimes, Their ankle bells tinkling, They would play football with fruits like bael and amalaki. Sometimes They would cover Themselves with blankets and imitate cows and bulls and fight with one another, roaring loudly, and sometimes They would imitate the voices of the animals. In this way They enjoyed sporting, exactly like two ordinary human children.\u201d<\/p>\n

(Myrobalans = amalaki; woodapples = bael)<\/p>\n

These lilas are in unlimited varieties because these lilas are the cause of the sports here in the material world. urdhvam mulam (Bg 15.1) as the original fruit tree has the fruit not the reflection in the water.<\/p>\n

In SB 10.18.16 it says<\/p>\n

In this way Krishna and Balarama played all sorts of well-known games as They wandered among the rivers, hills, valleys, bushes, trees and lakes of Vrindavana.<\/p>\n

Next Srila Prabhupada explains how a devil player gets a red card. He missed the goal of the game: to please Krishna.<\/p>\n

Arnold Weiss: In the beginning, when we were first part of God.. our souls are also part of God, as a drop of water is part of that ocean…Is there any knowledge or information of how we incurred this first separation from God?<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: Separation… Generally, when we want to become God, there is separation.<\/p>\n

Arnold Weiss: A rebellion.<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: You cannot… There is one God, and if you want to become God, you are immediately driven away: “Just become God in the material world. Go there and try to become God.”<\/p>\n

Dr. Wolfe: Prabhupada? There is a parallel in the Bible that Lucifer broke away from God because He wanted to be God.<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: That’s it. (laughs) This rascaldom… This rascaldom makes him a dog. Instead of God, he become a dog. ..Nobody can become God; God is one. Ekam brahma dvitiyam nasti. So how we can become God? But that endeavor is going on.<\/p>\n

Arnold Weiss: Isn’t it within the nature of our souls to have…<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: That is the nature, little independence. That is the nature. You can properly use independence, and you can improperly use. That is the meaning of independence. That you can use it improperly. Then you suffer. That is the meaning of independence. If it is that I have got independence and – I cannot use it otherwise – that is not independence.<\/p>\n

One may wonder how is it I don\u2019t remember these ecstatic sports.<\/p>\n

\u201cJust like in Los Angeles. When I am in tour in other places I forget about Los Angeles, but as soon as I come here, I know where is my bedroom, where is my sitting room, where is my garden, immediately. I haven’t got to be taught that “Here is your sitting room, here is your sleeping room.” Immediately, I remember.<\/p>\n

Ramesvara: But then there is an argument, if we were originally in the spiritual world, why don’t we remember that and try to go back to the spiritual world?<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: That I have already said, that when I am in tour in Europe and India, I completely forget about Los Angeles. I act according to the circumstances there. And again when I come to Los Angeles, I immediately remember. This is natural. Out of sight, out of mind.\u201d<\/p>\n

Garden Conversation, June 8, 1976, Los Angeles<\/p>\n

In the philosophy discussions on Plotinus, Srila Prabhupada confirms that we souls played false lost paradise and fell out to Maha-Visnus srsti-lila to play fool in different prison suits labeled Brazil, UK, Germany, etc. zebra, dog etc.<\/p>\n

The living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soul\u2019s choice is nicely illustrated by Milton in Paradise Lost. Similarly, by choice the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead. (CC Adi-lila 5.21)<\/p>\n

Actually we are all spirit souls and are intended to associate with God in the spiritual sky where there are innumerable spiritual planets and innumerable spiritual living entities. However, those who are not fit to live in that spiritual world are sent to this material world. This very idea is expressed by Milton in Paradise Lost. (Elevation to Krishna Consciousness, Ch 1. Choosing Human and Animal Lives)<\/p>\n

Plotinus lived from 204-269 A.D<\/p>\n

\u2026 Prabhupada: ..Just like in the fire there are so many sparks, but one or two may fall down from the fire. Others remains in the fire\u2026 for their deliverance that One, Supreme Personality, comes, descends, sends His incarnation, sends His devotee to call him back to home, back to Godhead. Those who are fortunate, they take to Krishna consciousness and go back to home, back to Godhead, .. the intelligent living entity, if he is fortunate, he takes to Krishna consciousness and again he goes back to home, back to Godhead\u2026. if he likes, he can surrender to the Supreme Lord and go back to home, back to Godhead,<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: Plotinus saw the individual souls returning to God or the One through three stages\u2026 Prabhupada: ..bhakti-yoga makes him completely fit for going back to home, back to Godhead.<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: Concerning evil, Plotinus feels that matter is evil in the sense that it imprisons the soul, but the visible cosmos…<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: This Plotinus is practically ninety percent our conception.<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: But the visible cosmos is beautiful, and the evil does not arise from the creator.<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: Yes. That the individual soul, being attracted by this illusory energy, he comes here for sense gratification. It is not by the desire of the Supreme One. By his personal desire. So God gives him freedom. So he begins the life from a very exalted position in this material world\u2014sometimes like Brahma. .. When he comes to understand that “This kind of degradation and elevation going on perpetually, this is my suffering,” then at that time he becomes fortunate. Then he seeks after the Supreme One, Krishna, and by the grace of Krishna he gets bona fide spiritual master. So by the mercy of both the spiritual master and Krishna, he gets the chance of being engaged in devotional service, and little effort and sincerity makes him perfect, and he goes back to home back to Godhead.<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: He writes: “Let us flee then to the beloved fatherland. Here is sound council. But what is this flight? How are we to gain the open sea? The fatherland for us is there whence we have come. There is the father\u2026If the souls remain in the intelligible or spiritual realm with the Soul, or Supersoul, they are beyond harm and share in the soul’s governance. They are like kings who live with the high King and govern with Him and like Him do not come down from the palace. But if they wish to be independent, if they are tired, you may say, of living with someone else…”<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: So when the individual soul decides to withdraw, he becomes fragmented, isolated and weak, when he decides to withdraw from the, what he calls the palace of the King.<\/p>\n

.. from the spiritual realm, from the governance of the high King.<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: Yes. That is his falldown. When he decides to give up the spiritual life, he falls down in the material life.. he is prone to fall down because he is very minute quantity, he is small, so there is tendency of falldown. The same example: the small spark of the fire, because it is very small, sometimes it falls down from the fire. So we become, being very small, minute particle of God, we become entangled by this material, external energy. Just like the example: a less intelligent person, in ignorance, commits criminal activities and he goes to jail. He is not supposed to go to the jail, but on account of his little intelligence or ignorance, he commits something which is criminal. This criminality is done by less intelligent class of men. Similarly, persons who are coming into this material world, they are less intelligent. Krishna bhuliya jiva bhoga vancha kare. They think that they will be able to enjoy life independently, without Krishna. This is less intelligence. Just like a very rich man’s son, if he thinks that “If I live independently, without being dependent on father,” that is his foolishness. How he can become happy independently, living aside from the father? The supreme father is all-opulent, full of everything, and I am minute only. So if I live under the care of the father, naturally I will live very comfortably, like rich man’s son. But if I prefer that I shall live independently, that is my foolishness. So only the fools and rascals they try to remain independent of Krishna, and they suffer. That is the consequence. And those who are intelligent, even in the, this material life, by association of devotee and spiritual opportunities, when he comes to this understanding, that “I am son of Krishna. He claims, aham bija-pradah pita [Bg. 14.4], ‘I am the father,’ so I am the son of Krishna, and why I am rotting in this way? Let me go back to my father,” that is back to home, back to Godhead\u2014that is intelligence\u2026 just like it is the father’s duty if the son goes astray, in wrong way, the father is always affectionate. He tries to bring him back again home by, either by punishing or some way or some means.<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: He uses this following metaphor. He says, “We are like a chorus grouped about a conductor who allow their attention to be distracted by the audience. If, however, they”\u2014that is we, the individual souls\u2014”were to turn toward their conductor, they would sing as they should and would really be with him. We are always around the One. If we were not, we would dissolve and cease to exist. Yet our gaze does not remain fixed upon the One. When we look at it, we then attain the end of our desires and find rest. Then it is that all discord passes. We dance an inspired dance around it. In this dance the soul looks upon the source of life, the source of the intelligence, the root of being, the cause of the good, the root of the soul\u201d<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: Yes. There is good sense, that God is individual and the soul is individual. As he has given the metaphor or analogy that the conductor and a chorus of a concert party,<\/p>\n

they are singing in the tune, sometimes attention diverted by the audience, it becomes out of the tune. Similarly we, when we divert our attention to the illusory energy, then we fall down<\/p>\n

Hayagriva: “Once having tasted the pleasures of independence, they use their freedom to go any direction that leads away from their origin, and when they have gone a great distance, they even forget that they came from it.\u201d<\/p>\n

Prabhupada: ..the human form of life is a chance to understand that how he has fallen. And if he takes to Krishna consciousness, then from this life he goes again back to Krishna.<\/p>\n

We advise humanity to read about all the plays (lilas) with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna in the \u2018Krishna Book\u2019 and chant the Hare Krishna maha-mantra to see the original football play on the transcendental television of the heart just as Sanjaya saw the Bhagavad-gita, Krishna speaking with Arjuna (SB 2.9.35) and after death return back to home, back to Godhead to participate in Krishna\u2019s divine sports and pastimes or activities of amusement and bliss where the losers equally enjoy as the winners.<\/p>\n

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna \/ Krishna Krishna Hare Hare<\/p>\n

Hare Rama Hare Rama \/ Rama Rama Hare Hare<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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