{"id":15387,"date":"2015-02-05T12:32:45","date_gmt":"2015-02-05T12:32:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=15387"},"modified":"2015-02-06T10:49:02","modified_gmt":"2015-02-06T10:49:02","slug":"from-sri-mayapur-chandrodaya-mandir-hh-romapada-swami","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=15387","title":{"rendered":"From Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir: HH Romapada Swami"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh6.googleusercontent.com\/-MWyMj35CMqY\/VNSb2tHz_3I\/AAAAAAAALZk\/3eolEHEOwo8\/s0\/2015-02-06_11-47-53.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Download the audio for this lecture here:<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.mayapurtvarchives.com\/p\/downloads-2015.html<\/p>\n<p>From Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir<br \/>\nDate: February 4, 2015 Speaker: HH Romapada Swami<br \/>\nSubject: SB 6.3.30<\/p>\n<p>tat k\u00f1amyat\u00e4\u00e0 sa bhagav\u00e4n puru\u00f1a\u00f9 pur\u00e4\u00ebo<br \/>\nn\u00e4r\u00e4ya\u00eba\u00f9 sva-puru\u00f1air yad asat k\u00e5ta\u00e0 na\u00f9<br \/>\nsv\u00e4n\u00e4m aho na vidu\u00f1\u00e4\u00e0 racit\u00e4\u00efjal\u00e9n\u00e4\u00e0<br \/>\nk\u00f1\u00e4ntir gar\u00e9yasi nama\u00f9 puru\u00f1\u00e4ya bh\u00fcmne<\/p>\n<p>TRANSLATION: <\/p>\n<p>Then Yamar\u0101ja, considering himself and his servants to be offenders, spoke as follows, begging pardon from the Lord. \u201cO my Lord, my servants have surely committed a great offense by arresting a Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava such as Aj\u0101mila. O N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, O supreme and oldest person, please forgive us. Because of our ignorance, we failed to recognize Aj\u0101mila as a servant of Your Lordship, and thus we have certainly committed a great offense. Therefore with folded hands we beg Your pardon. My Lord, since You are supremely merciful and are always full of good qualities, please pardon us. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>PURPORT<\/p>\n<p>Lord Yamar\u0101ja took upon himself the responsibility for the offense committed by his servants. If the servant of an establishment makes a mistake, the establishment takes responsibility for it. Although Yamar\u0101ja is above offenses, his servants, practically with his permission, went to arrest Aj\u0101mila, which was a great offense. The ny\u0101ya-\u015b\u0101stra confirms, bh\u1e5bty\u0101par\u0101dhe sv\u0101mino da\u1e47\u1e0da\u1e25: if a servant makes a mistake, the master is punishable because he is responsible for the offense. Taking this seriously, Yamar\u0101ja, along with his servants, prayed with folded hands to be excused by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014-<\/p>\n<p>HH Romapada Swami: <\/p>\n<p>(Pranama mantra)<\/p>\n<p>Due to time constraints regarding when the class must end, I have to speak very concisely. Three points. In the purport of this verse, Srila Prabhupada is not only speaking of mistakes or offenses one makes which may reflect badly upon the acharya; he specifies that the establishment which a servant is part of receives the reactions of its members. To illustrate this, I am going to narrate an anecdote. In 1970, Srila Prabhupada was visiting Radha Govinda Mandir in Brooklyn. As was his practice after taking his morning walk, he directly came to the Temple room. At seven o\u2019clock he stood before the altar to greet the Deities. Many sannyasis were standing right next to him holding their dandas, appearing very formidable. The mood of their good fortune and importance was evident: \u201cWe\u2019re next to Prabhupada!\u201d Srila Prabhupada heard the Govindam Prayers and then paid his obeisances. Then he went to take carnamrita. Someone had put salt in the charnamrita bowl instead of sugar! <\/p>\n<p>As you know, Prabhupada\u2019s physical stature was quite short compared to his American sannyasis, whose height was much greater than his. Right in the middle of the Temple room floor he looked in all directions at these towering sannyasis, all holding their dandas. His voice was loud enough that although I was way in the back of the temple room by the vyasasana, I could clearly hear his voice. It was loud! He demanded \u201cWho is responsible for this?!\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Now, when Prabhupada exhibited the mood of anger, everyone stepped back. They gave the wrong answer. They looked at each other and said, \u201cWell, the head pujari must know who made the charnamrita. We will ask the head pujari, Srila Prabhupada, who made the charnamrita.\u201d And again I was way on the other side of the Temple room and I heard what Prabhupada said to that message. He said \u201cNo. When you delegate some responsibility, you hold the responsibility for those who you delegate authority to. This should not happen again.\u201d Everyone got ruffled and became absolutely silent. Then Prabhupada sternly walked to the vyasasana as we offered Guru Puja and he gave class. <\/p>\n<p>It happened again the next morning! I\u2019ll leave it to your imagination what that scene was like. The heat and fire and flames that came from Prabhupada\u2019s mood! <\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve heard from a couple of devotees who have served Prabhupada, particularly Hari Sauri, that when mistakes were made in serving Prabhupada, he was lenient in forgiving a mistake when made the first time, accompanied by an explanation of what should be done. His expectation was that the mistake wouldn&#8217;t happen again. If it happened again, the person who made the mistake the second time was sorry&#8230;far more sorry than the first time! <\/p>\n<p>Through this carnamrita example Srila Prabhupada wanted to teach his disciples a lesson. Whenever you act on behalf of a superior, then in turn you delegate part of that authority to someone else, you are responsible for the actions of those to whom you delegate that service or authority. The exact same message is directly what is being said in this verse. <\/p>\n<p>Direct scriptural reference regarding this principle found within the purport is Ny\u0101ya S\u0101stra, but Prabhupada cites it, as does Visv\u0101natha Cakravarti Th\u0101kura in his commentary.  bh\u1e5bty\u0101par\u0101dhe sv\u0101mino da\u1e47\u1e0da\u1e25. Bhrtya means the servant, and aparadha means offense.  bh\u1e5bty\u0101par\u0101dhe means \u201cwhen the servant makes an apar\u0101dha.\u201d Bh\u1e5bty\u0101par\u0101dhe sv\u0101mino da\u1e47\u1e0da\u1e25 means that \u201cthe master of the servant who makes an offense is to be punished.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Then there\u2019s the flip side to this point. When we\u2019re acting on behalf of someone, our bad conduct, mistake, or offense may go to the person we are representing. Very significant consideration isn\u2019t it! Now, of course, we can use the excuse, or the rubber crutch, that we are neophyte, or not mature yet, so we are bound to make mistakes. Nonetheless we must remember that our Founder-acharya is being evaluated by the public, what to speak of other kinds of evaluations, for mistakes that we make! The opposite is also true: whatever successes we may achieve, our Founder-acarya is naturally honored. No matter what is our level of advancement, these two things are always present. <\/p>\n<p>Those who we delegate responsibility and authority to, even if they are mixing sugar into the charnamrita bowl, or whatever the service is that we delegate to others, we bear the responsibility of their actions. Conversely, we are all doing service on behalf of someone. However we conduct that service immediately bears credit or discredit to the person who we\u2019re serving. <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s something like what Krishna says to Arjuna in Bhagavad Gita. \u201cArjuna, you\u2019re an Aryan! You are one who understands the value and higher purpose of life. You have great ancestors. The lineage from which you come is very exalted. So there\u2019s weight upon you, Arjuna, to act as an Aryan will act. Otherwise it will reflect badly upon your ancestors, upon your exalted predecessors.\u201d The same applies to each of us. A principle to live by is to feel the obligation of properly representing our exalted, flawless acaryas. Through the process of diksa, predecessor acaryas have effectively accepted us their representative. Especially for initiated devotees, our character and actions are reflecting in a good way or a bad way upon them. <\/p>\n<p>For a cultured person, that\u2019s a very powerful sobering notion to carry. Uncultured persons don\u2019t care. For cultured persons, it keeps us in the middle of the road. It keeps us on track. A cultured person accepts that I am representing others, and acts out of love and respect for their good name. <\/p>\n<p>Second point. Forgiveness. In Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura\u2019s commentary on this verse, he raises a question, a doubt, and then responds. The doubt runs like this. \u201cOnly persons who are innocent, who are found to be not guilty, they are to be pardoned or forgiven. But those who are guilty are not to be forgiven, they are to be punished.\u201d To that doubt, he answers \u201cThe quality of the Supreme Lord is that He extends His forgiveness.\u201d Just as a Vaisnava is to give forgiveness to others, where does that quality come from? It comes from the Supreme Lord! <\/p>\n<p>There is the classic example of the offense made against Maharaj Ambarisa by Durvasa Muni. Durvasa Muni offended Maharaj Ambarisa big time. The Supreme Lord Narayana declared \u201cI am powerless to do anything about removing my sudarshan chakra from approaching you, unless you receive the forgiveness of Maharaj Ambarisa. I cannot act independently of My devotee. If you receive his forgiveness, automatically you receive My forgiveness because My forgiveness follows his forgiveness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We must always remember that we are representatives of someone who we are serving. Ultimately that someone who we are serving is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. <\/p>\n<p>Uniquely, in this case, where the offense was made against Ajamila by the Yamadutas, nonetheless the prayer of Yamaraja is going directly to the Supreme Lord. <\/p>\n<p>In Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura\u2019s commentary, he is very clear about the nature of the Supreme Lord. When one is sincerely repentant for some mistake or for some aparadha, as is the word here, His nature is that He is forgiving. Yamaraj is appealing to that quality of forgiveness in the Supreme Lord Narayana. <\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a very nice expression of this quality of the Lord to grant forgiveness and to give shelter to the surrendered souls in Ramayana. One of the places I visited about two weeks ago in South India is called Thirupullani, which is called Saranagati Kshetram by the local people. It\u2019s the place where Vibhishana surrendered to Lord Ramachandra. Two spies of Ravana, Suka and Sharana, surrendered to Lord Ramachandra. And Samudra or Varuna surrendered to Lord Ramachandra. Each one of them had made mistakes. The Lord not only forgave their mistakes, but He gave them shelter. In this place a very beautiful and very famous statement from Ramayana is made by Lord Rama. When Vibhishana tried his very best multiple times to persuade Ravana to stop his vicious activity and to return Sita to Rama, in this way the whole danger of being destroyed by the forces of Ramacandra and the vanaras would be over, Ravana became so angry that he tossed him out of the assembly. He said \u201cIf you weren\u2019t my brother I would kill you.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Vibhishana had mystic power. He rose in the air in the midst of the assembly, abandoned Ravana, and went to take<br \/>\nshelter of Lord Ramacandra.  In less than an hour he went all the way from Lanka to the place where Ramachandra and all the Vanaras were. Following him were four ministers. Vibhishana and the four ministers remained hovering in the air &#8212; like this verse here, with palms folded &#8212; offering prayers to Ramachandra. In this case they approached through Sugriva, an intermediary, or as Madhusevita Prabhu uses the word interlocutor. The question for Lord Ramachandra was \u201cWill you give me shelter?\u201d Sugriva didn&#8217;t trust him at all. <\/p>\n<p>Rama turned to His ministers and said \u201cA qualified leader will always consult with his ministers. You have heard Vibhishana\u2019s request. What do you all think? What would be your advice for me?\u201d He is the Supreme Lord, what does He need advice for! However, He\u2019s showing by example what leaders are to do. <\/p>\n<p>After Angada and Jambavan and others gave their different opinions, Lord Ramachandra called upon Hanuman for his advice. Hanuman first of all said \u201cYou don\u2019t need my advice. But You\u2019re asking, so in service to You I\u2019ll suggest.\u201d One by one, he repeated the advice offered by others and refuted their viewpoint. Then he stated his own opinion. He said \u201cJust by seeing his face, because the face is the index to the mind, and by hearing the sound of his voice, I say you should accept him. In his heart there may be some selfish motive\u201d\u2026because that\u2019s what Jambavan had said. [Jambavan said: \u2018I think he wants to be King of Lanka and he knows Ravana will be destroyed so he\u2019s next in line. He wants to become King. That\u2019s why he has come. \u2018I\u2019ll become your devotee so you\u2019ll give me the kingdom.\u201d He clearly has a motive.\u201d] Hanuman continued \u201cBut even if he has a motive, he wants to take shelter of Rama. That desire to take shelter of Rama will carry him beyond whatever selfish interest that may be in his heart.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Rama smiled. He liked what Hanuman had said. And then He spoke this very memorable passage from Ramayana. \u201cMy dear devotees, please listen carefully. I take a solemn vow. For one who even once surrenders unto Me, saying \u2018From this day forward I am Yours\u2019, I will give that person protection for the rest of their life, and I will free them from the condition of fear. They will become fearless.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Then He said to Sugriva, \u201cYour concern is due to your love for Me. You do not want any harm to come to Me by Vibhishana having a double purpose, being a double agent. But please understand, I am the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Who can harm me? I could destroy the entire Lanka and the entire universe with a blink of My eye! Please understand that just as I need no assistance to destroy Ravana, likewise no one can harm Me. I don\u2019t need all of your service, but I\u2019m engaging you all in service. You are saying because Vibhisana gave up the association of his brother and is now coming to take shelter of me, he can turn against me just as he gave up the association of his brother. I request you, please ask yourself about your own brother Vali. Did you not call upon me to help destroy your brother? Nonetheless, I\u2019m accepting you because you are my devotee. I know your heart. You also wanted something. And he may want something. Nonetheless I\u2019m accepting you, and similarly I accept him. Even if Ravana came just now, despite all the bad things he has done, stealing Sita and tormenting so many people, if he came and surrendered I would accept him also. Listen carefully. I\u2019ve already accepted Vibhisana as my devotee. And you\u2019re keeping him waiting. Don\u2019t make him wait any longer. You\u2019ll aggravate your offense against someone who is already My devotee. Go and bring him here to Me at once.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Beautiful passage! Filled with nice instruction for us and our devotional service! <\/p>\n<p>And the third thing that I wanted to speak about, I don\u2019t have time for.<\/p>\n<p>Here it is in brief. From the side of a devotee that makes a mistake, the devotee doesn\u2019t think \u201cWell, I made a mistake. But Krishna is very kind, or Ramacandra is very kind, the Lord is very kind. He\u2019ll forgive my mistake. And whatever I haven\u2019t been able to accomplish He\u2019ll take care of because He\u2019s very powerful.\u201d That\u2019s not how the devotee thinks. When Hanuman was sent by Ramacandra to bring the Siva lingam to Ramesvara to worship, Hanuman was very happy to have some service. He just wants service, any service! As soon as Lord Ramacandra requested this service, there went Hanuman to Mount Kailash. But Lord Siva was in meditation. Hanuman couldn\u2019t disturb Lord Siva\u2019s meditation, but he was to get a Siva lingam personally from Lord Siva. And it took too long. The auspicious time to worship Lord Siva was about to pass. So Sita with Her own hands fashioned a Siva lingam from sand which was then consecrated and then worshipped by Lord Rama within the proper auspicious time. Just when the worship was completed, Hanuman showed up with the Siva lingam that was given by Lord Siva. And what did he feel? \u201cI failed to carry out the service given to me!\u201d He wasn\u2019t saying \u201cWell, I\u2019ve done volumes and volumes of service. What is one half of one percent incomplete service measured against 99.5%, or all the volumes of my wonderful accomplishments?\u201d A devotee does not think like that.<br \/>\nAlthough the Lord is very forgiving, the devotee is wishing to fully utilize whatever strength or ability and whatever is given to that devotee, to carry out his service favorably. If the devotee fails to complete some assigned service, he feels deeply repentant. Rupa Goswami felt the same way when he was unable to find the Govindaji deity; I have no time to cover all the details of that lila. <\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the consciousness of the devotee. Side by side, there is the loving shelter and forgiveness of the Supreme Lord. <\/p>\n<p>So we\u2019re learning some nice lessons from Srimad Bhagavatam and Ramayana, the pastimes of the Supreme Lord. How does one who\u2019s representing others feel and conduct their life? Similarly, when we receive some service, what a great responsibility we have to carry out that service very very carefully!<\/p>\n<p>Hare Krishna<\/p>\n<p>Srila Prabhupada ki jaya<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/-ZBnVtid_mRU\/VNScDyeLqxI\/AAAAAAAALZs\/1y4uBjRpfdo\/s0\/2015-02-06_11-48-47.jpg\" alt=\"Hare Krishna\"\/><strong>By Romapada Swami<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve heard from a couple of devotees who have served Prabhupada, particularly Hari Sauri, that when mistakes were made in serving Prabhupada, he was lenient in forgiving a mistake when made the first time, accompanied by an explanation of what should be done. His expectation was that the mistake wouldn&#8217;t happen again. 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