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By Bhaktividya Purna Swami<\/strong><\/p>\n

Today, we\u2019ll try to look at a different angle or go a step a little further in trying to understand the culture. If we\u2019re accepting our premise that culture means following the Vedic rules and regulations with a desire to please the Lord and these rules and regulations then come to us in the form of this varnasrama culture \u2013this dharma. Things become a little bit more easy to categorize if you have a framework to work in.<\/p>\n

Dealing with varnas and asramas.<\/p>\n

Now then the difficulty comes in. We have these varnas, we have these asramas and then were trying to establish our self within these. The asramas side is not so difficult, generally it\u2019s quite easy. We\u2019re either married or not married. If we\u2019re not married, either we wanted to get married or did not want to get married or we\u2019ve been married and now we\u2019re through with being married, so it kind of comes quite easily and then if you\u2019re through with being married, then you\u2019re still either with the wife or you have not spent so much time together or once taken sannyasa or gone to Vrindavana, just living as a recluse, so that it becomes a little bit more obvious. But then when we\u2019re dealing with varnas that\u2019s generally where all the problem comes. Cause somehow or another the nature is they, you know I mean, anywhere in the material world especially the western culture. We find in the modern situation there\u2019s so much emphasis on position, control, and the prestige that goes along with that. So when looking at this we won\u2019t necessarily look at our own nature and how to engage it but we will look at what is best for us, what is the most prestigious and how, what is the platform we can get to acquire for our self the best result, the best whatever we\u2019re wanting.<\/p>\n

You have a culture \u2013 you have to have a hierarchy.<\/p>\n

But varnasrama system is not actually meant for that. It\u2019s actually meant to just take care of our needs, what we want in a way that we can relate to. So the idea is everybody is doing some activity. Everyone will be maintained by that activity and that activity is in accordance with your nature.<\/p>\n

Like a brahmana just can\u2019t get into making business and doing a big administrative thing and taking their taxes or different things for them and they don\u2019t want to just go out and work for someone at their whims cause they have their study, they\u2019re teaching others things to do. So they just take either by begging or just what people give in charity to them and whatever comes, that\u2019s what they set their life at. Means they see what their money is and establish their life. If it\u2019s very minimal, then they live very simply. If there\u2019s more, they may live more comfortably. If there\u2019s more than that, then they start giving it away. So it\u2019s a matter of how you maintain yourself. So it\u2019s not so much prestige. As Jayadvaita Maharaj was pointing yesterday, if you have a culture you have to have a hierarchy. If there\u2019s no hierarchy, you cannot have organization. You can\u2019t have discipline, there must be. So we may say oh, it\u2019s all equal and all this hierarchy, it\u2019s artificial and this and that. But if we look at the spiritual world there is a really strong hierarchy there and that doesn\u2019t move. There\u2019s no change in it. Absolutely no change! Cause it\u2019s Absolute Truth so there\u2019s absolutely no change.<\/p>\n

The higher you are up on the pile, the less you taste.<\/p>\n

So you have Krishna on the top of the pile and then you have all the heads of the different rasas right under that and then you have under them their main people and then you have whatever your acaryas in that line and then at the end of that you have us. So it\u2019s fixed. The basic principle, the principle is dasanu-dasanu-dasa. The reality is what Krishnadas Kaviraj says is dasanu-dasanu-dasa thousand times removed servants, like that and that\u2019s fixed. It\u2019s there. But in the spiritual realm everyone is pleased because of that, cause the interesting thing in the spiritual realm, the higher you are up on the pile, the less you taste. The farther down you are, the more you taste. Because you are performing your activity to please the person above you. So you become pleased when they are pleased. So now if you\u2019re pleased when the person above you is pleased then that\u2019s one level. But now if there\u2019s a person above that is pleased then you get to see both of them pleased, that increases your pleasure more. If there\u2019s three above then you get to see three people pleased, you get more pleasure than just seeing one. So like that how far removed you are, that much you see and that you get more pleasure. So there the proximity isn\u2019t the important thing.<\/p>\n

Vaikuntha they\u2019re worried about that. I want to be on the same planet as the Lord or I want to be in the same, I want to be an intimate associate of the Lord but in Vrindavana that worry is not there because when you\u2019re back far, you see more, you see how they\u2019re all pleased, that makes you happy. So the happiness comes from seeing others happy rather than there\u2019s one\u2019s own happiness.<\/p>\n

So the hierarchy is a natural thing and if we can adjust our mentality we can also get the benefits of that happiness that is there in working within. In other words it\u2019s a teamwork. So when there is a teamwork, then there is happiness. So the teamwork doesn\u2019t have to be equals. There\u2019s also it can be those who are above us, those who are below us, cause everyone is working very nicely to please Krishna. It becomes very strong, so there is a taste there, there is the happiness there. And you know at least we should theoretically accept it and then there can be discipline. If we don\u2019t accept it then there is problem. As Maharaj pointed out there will be chaos within a few minutes if not less.<\/p>\n

So that is not a consideration for us. Is what our position, just what part we play and then we have a taste from it. So that is the basic principle, is that wherever we naturally fit due to our conditioned nature, means we have a conditioned nature. We\u2019re intelligent, we understand I have a body and that body has its limitations. If I\u2019m very strong I can do big physical work. I will not comfortable sitting around all day. If I\u2019m not physically strong I would rather do something that\u2019s not, I would not like to move bricks all day, I want to do something a little bit more passive. Same with the mind, we have a particular kind of mind. It likes to work in a particular field and we have a particular kind of intelligence and that works in theoretical or practical or in the arts or so many different things. So depending on what it is, we\u2019re comfortable. So it\u2019s only natural that an intelligent person establishes oneself according to one\u2019s physical or psychological nature and they\u2019re satisfied with that.<\/p>\n

It doesn\u2019t matter the prestige in that, you\u2019re satisfied what you\u2019re satisfied. Just like we say okay mango is the king of fruits but we don\u2019t really like mangoes. Right! You like apples. So now will it be proper will we be more satisfied eating apples and letting some Christopher one else eat the mangoes? or do we eat the mangoes cause we know they\u2019re the king of fruits, so if I\u2019m eating them then I\u2019m special. What is the reality? We\u2019re going to be satisfied eating what we like to eat. Even if it\u2019s more prestigious otherwise it\u2019ll just be a false prestige, something we get from the prestige but it won\u2019t address us. May be we\u2019ll do it for a short time. But when nobody\u2019s around and the doors are locked, I\u2019ll eat my apples. So that was what Krishna was telling Arjuna. You will walk away from the battlefield and you\u2019ll be very detached, very compassionate, very humble and you\u2019ll go to the forest and then in the forest you get into a fight and then you fight cause you\u2019re a ksatriya. You will do these things, you will not avoid them. Maybe this moment because you don\u2019t like the downside of the ksatriya duties, you only like the upside. Like I have my kingdom and I have all my friends but his duty is to fight, so that means I get the kingdom or the friends. I don\u2019t get both but because I won\u2019t get both then, ok you know forget it, we go to the forest. But He said, you still act according to your nature, because you\u2019re not actually, it\u2019s not your nature at this point to be detached. Maybe later in life you\u2019ve given up these things. Then it maybe. But now no.<\/p>\n

Following religious principles to please Krishna.<\/p>\n

So one has to accept that one\u2019s nature is natural for him. Nature and natural, kind of have probably have a similar route. They have something to do with each other. So that is the basic principle. Then we take it another step. Now we\u2019re not following the varnasrama just to follow dharma. In the Bhagavatam in the second verse it is already said, following the religious principles for material profit is thrown out here. Following religious principles to please Krishna, that is what\u2019s being explained. So now if we look at that point then we come up with something very very interesting. Is that the, this principle Prabhupada talks about, the brahmana. The brahmana he first becomes, the first stage of a brahmana is dvija. Then one becomes or gets the adhikara or the right to perform and learn brahminical activities. Right! but to get, when you get that right you don\u2019t know anything. . Just like today someone gets brahminical initiation, they don\u2019t know how to do Puja, how to do any of these things. So now you have the right to do. Then the next stage is he studies, he learns, he knows things and he can apply it. And when he knows and he can apply those things expertly he\u2019s called vipra. Then one is very respected as a brahmana in the society. Then when performing those activities by good association, we come in contact with the pure devotees, the Bhagavatas. Then we come to the platform where we understand that we are servants of Krishna and all this knowledge that I have, all the activities I\u2019m doing, that\u2019s brahminical sphere of activities, is all for Krishna.<\/p>\n

So whatever I\u2019m doing, I do it for Krishna. And then that is a devotee and we know then that anyone who is a devotee, then is automatically a brahmana. Now what we\u2019re looking at here is where automatically a brahmana, why is the brahmana now a devotee? because he realized what his work was for, is for Krishna. Not that he\u2019s doing astrology and then now he\u2019s doing it for Krishna. That makes him a devotee. Cause he\u2019s an astrologer but astrologer for Krishna that is a devotee. Or is a sanskritist because he is a sanskritist for Krishna, therefore is a devotee or he\u2019s into logic and that he\u2019s doing it for Krishna, therefore he is a devotee. No, he understands whatever work he\u2019s doing that is being done for the Lord. So that means anyone who understands that whatever their work is, that is to be done for the Lord, they have that topmost brahminical understanding. Therefore one can plow the field but you know that this is Krishna\u2019s field and I\u2019m doing it for Krishna, one is actually a brahmana by realization, by understanding. This is where the difficult part comes in understanding, are the specifically the devotee, the Vaisnava, Gaudiya Vaisnava view or angle on the daiva varnasrama system. This is the point because you can have the Brahminical mentality right that I do my work for Krishna. We have the brahminical motive to please Krishna, one attempts to be free from desire and free from ego but one still has one\u2019s physical and mental conditional nature. So that means one can have the culture of the brahmana and mentality and work ethic but have a totality different non brahminical occupational duty. This is where one becomes, it starts to go out of perspective. Now cause we know everyone is a brahmana but at the same times we have all these natures and all this, everything gets mixed up. So that means as far as the culture goes cause we see the brahmana\u2019s have their culture, the ksatriya\u2019s have their\u2019s. . The brahmanas they live simply, there are so many rules they follow. . The ksatriya\u2019s have another set of rules. Basically the same, same principles. Principles are always the same. Slightly different culture. Ksatriya may keep hundreds thousands of wives, he has a whole big thing, this and that. Brahmana doesn\u2019t. Vaisyas have another nature. They don\u2019t necessarily worry about getting up so early and doing this. They have to do whatever is necessary more for the business. Sudra has to adjust his life for his work. But for the brahmana his lifestyle and his work, he adjusts the work for the lifestyle or makes at least minimal adjustments. I don\u2019t chant my rounds now, I chant them later in the day cause I dressed the deities or this or that.<\/p>\n

Two classes of devotees<\/p>\n

So it\u2019s just a matter of the priorities that is there. So one can, so what we see is that those who are Gaudiya Vaisnavas specifically who is in Vaisnava sampradaya, then they follow the brahminical culture. So this is important. When you have devotees, devotees meaning anyone who accepts the Supreme Lord. Therefore the daiva varnasrama is very broad and you have two classes of devotees following the daiva varnasrama. One is the ordinary devotees. Those who accept the supremacy of the Lord but they themselves don\u2019t necessarily follow the principles very strictly. You know they know their philosophy but they don\u2019t follow very nicely or they don\u2019t know the philosophy very well or they\u2019re born in the family of of devotees, of properly situated devotees but they themselves don\u2019t take much care in it. You ask them, are you a devotee and they\u2019ll say yes but you know they may wear tilaka may not wear tilaka, may wear proper dress, not follow nice programs, may chant, may not, like that. You know this is ordinary devotee. So anyone who has accepted the Supreme Lord is an ordinary devotee.<\/p>\n

Then you have from those the sampradayic devotees means those who have made the endeavor to surrender to a bona fide spiritual master and to follow the rules and regulations that come along with that surrender that, what do you call\u2026 responsibility. So now, what we are talking about, we\u2019re not talking about the daiva varnasrama as followed by the ordinary devotees, cause that will be, the plan will be very similar to the, how even the asuric (?) varnasrama will work. Because you have your varna, you have your asrama, you are that. you identify with that, you do those things but you know it\u2019s pious and proper and all these things. There may be an understanding to do it for God. There may not be. But you understand this is God\u2019s plan. I follow God\u2019s plan. I\u2019m pious, I follow God\u2019s rules. But those the sampradayic devotees, they\u2019re following the daiva varnasrama means that what I\u2019m doing, I\u2019m doing for the Lord. I have a conditioned nature. I must engage in the Lord\u2019s service so therefore I engage in this way. I do those prescribe duties but for Krishna. It\u2019s a very, it\u2019s a definite determination, we have that desire. So this means, they get situated in a different culture. They don\u2019t follow these four different cultures, they follow the one culture, the brahminical culture. The brahminical culture is actually very simple, culture in the way of how they live. The basic, the brahminical culture will be based on either the Vedic terms of sadhana, the pancaratrika terms of sadhana, as given by the acaryas. So the brahminical standard as far as we go we follow pancaratrika Then this means basically we are waking up in the morning, we\u2019re chanting the Lord\u2019s name or remembering the Lord, we offer obeisances to the spiritual master. Then we take our, we brush our teeth, use the toilet, take our bath. Then we put our tilaka, we wear neck beads, we wear brahmana threads, we wear devotional clothing, we chant our Gayatri, we go to the temple, we ring the bell, we offer our obeisances, we sing the mangala-aratika, we may clean the temple and in our activities in the temple with the devotees, we take care of guests, we respect and interact with devotees, we hear the scriptures, we chant the holy name, we take prasadam, we worship tulsi, we do some service for the temple at the dhama. That is the brahminical scope in which they act and if you\u2019ll notice that\u2019s exactly what Prabhupada has given everybody in ISKCON to do. It\u2019s such a nicely framed that devotees don\u2019t really think that they have just followed all the rules of pancaratrika. What I just described now is anything that is required of any brahmana within the pancaratrika, doesn\u2019t matter what sampradaya, this that. This is what they do and maybe some finer details. You know how they take a bath, but the principals of the areas that they work in. That\u2019s it. There aren\u2019t more areas. And we see every devotee does that. This is our like sphere in which we act. And that is the brahminical culture.<\/p>\n

Following the brahminical culture.<\/p>\n

We\u2019re not living like Yudhisthira, you hear battlefield how he wakes up. So you know when it\u2019s time for him to wake up then the singers start singing, the dancers start dancing, the reciters of mantras starts reciting mantras, they start playing drums and bugles and horns and veenas and everything like that and they make so much noise that it\u2019s heard up to the heavenly planets. And that\u2019s how he wakes up. Does that sound familiar? You know any devotees doing that? Ok so we won\u2019t bother getting to the rest. Said one of the points of logic means logic, logic and argue. Logic means you know it means the human beings form of discussion like that, so when you defeated the big wrestler, all of the small ones are considered defeated. You don\u2019t go into guerilla warfare. So since we know we\u2019ve defeated this point we will not even bother with the rest of this point.<\/p>\n

So we can see we\u2019re following the brahminical culture . Even if someone\u2019s living outside, is not married, necessarily so strict, they still do these things. Maybe they do it more nicely, maybe less nicely. But this is the field in which they deal. That means all devotees are following the brahminical culture. And that is the interaction, so when we\u2019re dealing in the temple and dealing in this activities then generally everyone is accepted on this brahminical platform. That is the thing. Of course we have to endeavor to not perform activities improperly, to avoid offences and all that. But that\u2019s the platform. And we do our morning program, we have an evening program, a study and that. And that is our lifestyle. Then in between the morning and evening we have something that we do particularly for Krishna. . We do things in the temple. We do things outside the temple. You know it\u2019s either under the direction of the temple authorities or it\u2019s we are working on our own. But whatever it is then that is, we are not that. That\u2019s why Prabhupada said it\u2019s an offense to consider that a devotee is of one of those varnas, that hey are brahmana, ksatriya, no. They are devotee ,who is doing that occupational duty. That is the point. That is what\u2019s necessary for them at this point. That\u2019s their conditioning. That\u2019s what they\u2019re good at. And then he followed that. Then becomes very very easy.<\/p>\n

So this is, if that understanding is there that we have followed the brahminical culture we follow the, we have the, at least endeavor for the understanding and mentality and consciousness of a brahmana, then in that we situate ourselves because of our conditional nature in one of four asramas and one of four varnas, then it becomes very easy to understand the system. Then there\u2019s not a whole fight over well who\u2019s got the power or who\u2019s got the money. It\u2019s generally, it\u2019s my experience when we discuss social development then we limit ourselves basically to one asramas and two varnas. The main problem is nobody really cares who the brahmanas are cause who listens to them anyway and the sudras what do you worry about? Brahmacaris are not serious to consider because they\u2019re not honest anyway and sannyasi\u2019s have got their own trip and vanaprastha\u2019s whosever heard of them. So therefore, ksatriyas got the power and the vaisyas got the money and that they\u2019ll only give the money if they also have power and ksatriyas only get the money if they also relinquish some of the power. We can enjoy all that facility in grhastha-asrama. So this is the basically western approach to varnasrama-dharma. But unfortunately, this doesn\u2019t fully address the nature of all the living entities. We still have another five varnas and asramas to consider. Varnasrama system means you take the whole picture. When you understand the whole picture then you can understand where you fit into that picture. So now there has to be two levels of understanding of the whole picture. One is we have enough to understand how we fit it and fit in and do our needs and our business. The second is if we can understand deeply how it operates, then we can help others situate themselves or we can organize the systems so that we see that there\u2019s place for everyone to be situated. So you have two levels of understanding of this. But everybody must have some understanding of it, enough to situate yourself. But those who can have more, they have more than they can either advise or they can organize so that the system runs.<\/p>\n

Then now let us, connected topic then we can go into some questions. I\u2019m wondering if I should make this next point, then go into questions cause it may, cause it\u2019s so related. It may answer a few things. Now we look at how does this fit in. Means within our devotional service ok some service but then our sadhana, how does the sadhana, the culture and the service also match because we\u2019re following brahminical sadhana and devotional sadhana but we have our service. So we go back to the point Krishna makes in the Gita of the different levels of ideal of surrender. First is best, He says complete 100 percent surrender on the spot, which is possible. The Bhagavatam gives a few examples of some devotees who\u2019ve done that. The Gopi\u2019s did like that, then we see the wives of the brahmana\u2019s, yajna brahmana\u2019s they did like that. When Krishna went to Mathura, Dvaraka, so many people did like that but it was more rare. It was not the general rule. So if one can do that, that is the best. You know like Maharaja Khatvanga, in a moment just surrender. That\u2019s the best. You don\u2019t waste any time, it\u2019s very direct, very simple. Right, you know. There\u2019s no difficulties, you just do it. But if you can\u2019t do that, if that\u2019s difficult means that there are some obstacles. Then you follow sadhana bhakti. So now when we get into sadhana then we\u2019re dealing, now we\u2019ve come from the first platform means we are not on the conditional platform. We\u2019re actually on the Brahma-bh\u00fbta platform, though we are moving in the world. Then you come in contact with a pure devotees then that is immediately fully awakened and one takes it up. That\u2019s the first platform, just fully surrender. One can\u2019t do that, that means cause the conditional nature still has to be attended to.<\/p>\n

If conditional nature needs a little more attention\u2026<\/p>\n

Conditional nature means our gross and subtle conditioned nature. The body and the mind, intelligence and ego. That has to be addressed. Means we\u2019re attached to it, we must deal with it. So we must engage it in Krishna\u2019s service. So the first platform of that or the subtlest is the, just a platform of sadhana bhakti. Sadhana bhakti means you just perform those activities that I mentioned. What I mentioned is the brahminical culture, the foundation of that. You just do those things. You don\u2019t do anything else. So all you do basically is temple activities, temple service. And that\u2019s all and it doesn\u2019t really matter so much what one does but one does these things. One\u2019s fully absorbed in chanting and all these other things and that\u2019s it. Chanting, preaching, you know, taking prasadam and we saw the interaction of devotees is there. So respecting those above us, we\u2019re friends with those we are equal, compassionate to those who are below that. So we see that and we\u2019re taking prasad you know that we woke up and there\u2019s also we go to sleep then on the end of it there\u2019s we go to sleep remembering the Lord. So we see that all our physical and all our emotional needs are taken care of but in a very sattvic platform. I mean totally just mode of goodness platform. And all those things are directly in connection with Krishna. There services that are directly connected to Krishna or connected, directly connected to those things are like chanting. You have two categories. That\u2019s called mukhya, means those activities that they themselves can deliver you like chanting Hare Krishna, hearing Bhagavatam. Or those things that are supporting that, they are called gauna like taking our bath, putting on our tilaka all these different things. So between these two they\u2019re very directly or just under that engaged in. They\u2019re not even neutral, they\u2019re positive. Engaged in service. So one can be satisfied with that then that is good because it deals with our spiritual nature, our emotional and our physical nature everything. It\u2019s complete in itself. It\u2019s a complete system. But you still don\u2019t give up the desire to fully surrender to Krishna. So the higher platform the first platform is kept but we work on the second with that goal. Krishna says if that also is not possible then He says, then you work for me. That means now the conditioning is a little stronger. We can\u2019t just do any service, can\u2019t chant all day and just do some preaching when it comes up and take prasad when it\u2019s there and just do the needful on that platform of goodness. The conditional nature needs a little more attention. You know there\u2019s a little more passion, little more ignorance, little more attachment. Then we have to identify what is our nature. Our conditioned nature and then do that for Krishna.<\/p>\n

Work for Krishna. So then the varnasrama system comes in there otherwise varnasrama system is there in the platform of sadhana but only the brahmana aspect of it. So brahmanas, the four asramas are there and the one active and the occupational duties of the brahmanas and that\u2019s it but that\u2019s your full time engagement. So five of the varnas and asramas are manifest. If you can then Krishna says work for Me. Then you have to add in the other three varnas. . asramas are established. We see that yeah, then one is able to know ok I can do this kind of service for Krishna and maybe able to do temporarily another service if there\u2019s an emergency but it\u2019s a long term thing I\u2019m not satisfied with I\u2019m doing my particular nature. So now when doing that we still perform our sadhana with the goal of fully surrendering to Krishna and then these are like the best of them. And this is basically as far as at least someone who is definitely very close with the temple. You know dependent upon the temple, or very much part of the whole temple activities. But if that\u2019s still is difficult because here you\u2019re working for Krishna means what you\u2019re doing and it\u2019s for Krishna, fully for Krishna. If not then Krishna gives a fourth, then at least give the result. You\u2019re not working for Krishna means ultimately you are working for Krishna. It\u2019s my work, my results, my money but I give to Krishna. That\u2019s the fourth level. So that kind of person must situated themselves outside the sphere of the temple dependents means you can\u2019t be in that mentality and expect the temple is going to maintain you. Unless the temple wants to like take you on for a specific job or like that. They need it so then there maybe an opportunity for that. But one cannot expect that. That one must be honest like the brahmacaris and be out of the temple and do your own work. Maintain yourself get your own money, facilities and if it goes nice, great, if it doesn\u2019t go nice, that\u2019s the way it is. You cannot blame anyone else because now it\u2019s your work not Krishna\u2019s though you do it for Krishna ultimately. Do we understand this subtle difference? That\u2019s the point. All these things are so subtle one can be in one or the other. So one has to be very careful.<\/p>\n

Like I\u2019ve seen, I\u2019ve seen in Bombay both these kind of devotees or life member, businessman and that. There are those outside who do their business, they maybe initiated and all this and now and again they not come into the temple fairly regularly but they come at a festival, do something, give some regular donations and all that but they do their own thing and all that and it\u2019s kind of like they come to Krishna or come to the temple on their terms- no obligations. No one expects and they don\u2019t. Then you have another kind who, they are part of the whole temple\u2019s scene, they have their business, they\u2019re making plenty of money in this and that but that they consider we are temple devotees. I live outside, I have my whole thing, I maintain myself, I don\u2019t burden the temple and they take part in temple activities, organizing the festivals, managing. Whatever needs to be done they do it, in their areas of expertise. And their money is for Krishna but because they know money, they know how to manage money, they manage it also for Krishna. Cause others may not know how to manage it, cause money is their area they know what to do with it. You know so in discussion with others and others in the community and other like-minded persons like them and temple authorities they decide okay. We\u2019re going to do a Rathayatra, this or that and each person is going to give so much money and this is going to manage this is and that and this works very nicely. So you don\u2019t know see any difference between them and the full time devotees. Except the ones that are sit, I mean full time meaning those who are living in the temple cause they\u2019re full time devotees also. The only difference is they have more facilities, more stuff and the temple\u2019s devotees has less. So we see the temple devotees are very nicely established on that the platform of sadhana or those activities engaging, the nature of it is fully Krishna things and they\u2019re outside doing it. So in those who are inside the temple we only have sadhana and working for Krishna and outside the temple you can have working for Krishna and those who you give the results to Krishna. So it makes it very easy to understand is that the sadhana and that it\u2019s just a matter of development and with time it\u2019s understood, by following properly you\u2019ll move to the next and next levels. That\u2019s what whole idea, grhastha life maybe performed on either of those working for Krishna or giving the result to Krishna. But vanaprastha means sadhana. You\u2019ve come up to that platform or at least you\u2019re working for Krishna. It can\u2019t be the lower platform otherwise, it\u2019s not vanaprastha. Then the sannyas must mean just sadhana. It becomes very easy to understand where one\u2019s situated and the whole idea is this another thing we\u2019ll bring in \u2013 is the aspect of pravrtti nivrtti. Pravrtti means we\u2019re engaging ourselves in following the rules and regulations of the Lord not specifically sadhana but Varnasrama. And within this you find that there is a aspect nivrtti means cause there\u2019s few rules to follow cause we have so few stuff. So brahmacaris, vanaprastha and sannyas, that is nivrtti Cause you\u2019re dealing less with the senses but of course everybody is dealing with the senses. Everybody has some possessions but because the amount of rules and amount of attachments and the amount of things are less therefore three are called nivrtti and one is called pravrtti. But the purpose of both is to get to Krishna. Engage whatever your attachments are in Krishna\u2019s service. One has an attachment of being detached. You engage that in Krishna\u2019s service and one has an attachment of being attached. They engage that in Krishna\u2019s service. It\u2019s a very simple thing, it is not a problem, we have to be, we have to accept all these words, terminologies in the system, it is a very nice\u2026 how you say it, user friendly! You know it\u2019s not, we have to be very very careful to take this terminologies and concept and turn them into buzz words and issues and all these kind of things. We have to take them as they are and how they relate to each other, then we get a very nice package that we can very pleasantly work within. Questions or comments or?<\/p>\n

School systems.<\/p>\n

Male Question: Nowadays we see in many schools they take into account the attitude of the students. They may talk with the student, they see some psychologists they see what is their attitude so that to address them in a proper way but we see this point is little lacking in our society to address some person specifically to some varna.. So what\u2019s your advise? What do you think about?<\/p>\n

Well the basic point is you\u2019ll see cause you\u2019re quoting western systems that they\u2019re start to do because those parents and students are submissive to that system. They respect the school. They respect the authorities of that school. So therefore there is discipline. There is and the system works. That\u2019s why that principle is so strongly enunciated in the Vedic literature but the devotees then you have to see is they have to be willing to accept this kind of direction. Of course you must have those who understand this as to ones who are giving that direction. But we must be willing to accept it. We must be able to give up our (?) three varna and asrama concept. Instead of eight we only see three. So we must be able to give that up and generally the difficulty comes is, one is that the school\u2019s of them being able to recognize it. But even if they were to work in that direction to do that, that others would recognize that. Cause these are our difficulties. If you want to establish brahmacari that means a brahmacari is not, his focus, his center is the school right or whoever he is working under. Like in the temple, then the temple authorities. It\u2019s not the home. He transfers from the parental rasa of the family to the parental rasa of the school. If he doesn\u2019t, he just stays in the house. He\u2019s a grhastha. He\u2019s not, he\u2019s an unmarried grhastha, he\u2019s a bachelor. He\u2019s not a brahmacari. A boy that grows up in the house never goes to the Gurukula is not a brahmacari. They\u2019re just an unmarried grhastha. They\u2019re just too young and when they get older they\u2019ll get married. That\u2019s the Vedic understanding. But you find very few parents will let the school actually take care. One may say okay, school\u2019s haven\u2019t taken care but then what is the solution? not send the kids to the school? Send them to karmi school? or see that qualified people are running schools? This is the point we were making yesterday. Is solutions to problems only come I mean solutions to our material difficulties, sensual and our physical, emotional or metaphysical, only come when you have dharma. They cannot come in any other way. Absolutely will not come. It\u2019s like saying I\u2019ll boil water without sticking it on the fire. I\u2019ll just put it in the pot. Put it in the closet and it\u2019ll boil cause I want it to. I demand it. I start a movement. I have a webpage. You know? And this water will boil in the closet and we don\u2019t care about all these other you know fundamental fanatic right wing conservatives who say you have to put it on the fire, otherwise it won\u2019t boil. We don\u2019t care. You know we have our rights. We have our say but it\u2019s just nature. You can look in history. That\u2019s what Western history is good for. You want to see what doesn\u2019t work, read it. And then if you\u2019re smart, you\u2019ll avoid it. And if you want to see what does work, read the Bhagavatam. That is also history but that works.<\/p>\n

You have to have qualified teachers, qualified students and qualified parents.<\/p>\n

So you must accept that if you want to solve the problem of Gurukula means you have to have qualified teachers, qualified students and qualified parents. So the teacher can\u2019t deal with the student because the parents weren\u2019t Krishna conscious when they conceive the child. You cannot blame the school or the temple authorities or the GBC or ISKCON that they were not sitting there next to your bed cheering you on when you conceived the child saying, remember Krishna. They were not. They were not there. The parents did that themselves. So what is their consciousness that\u2019s what they got. So now if you don\u2019t get someone with high consciousness, it\u2019s not easy to deal with, then you have to have a special school for that. But if the parents know they dropped out of the heavenly planets. So Krishna says in the Gita, they were born in the family of devotees. Like that but there\u2019s different grades of devotees. You may have attracted a blue fringie (?). I mean there are devotees that are right out on the edge and they have died. You know it\u2019s natural to a comeback and this isn\u2019t the only time, Lord Caitanya\u2019s movement has been going on for a while. So there maybe those dropping, you know coming back from later and you catch someone around the edge. Someone doesn\u2019t accept authority. Don\u2019t accept the GBC, he doesn\u2019t like management ISKCON, these kind of things that administration, Prahupada all these of course but whatever the other side. Now if that person leaves the body then where is he going to take up his devotional services again? Is a great pure unalloyed devotee and all that? Now he\u2019s going to continue, Krishna says you go up to 50 percent? You start the next life at 51. So they still don\u2019t accept authority, still don\u2019t want to work in a management structure, still can\u2019t relate to other devotees, still have material attachments, don\u2019t really like to dress like devotees, act like devotees listen to devotees, anything like that. So that\u2019s the kind of kid if you\u2019re not careful you can get. They\u2019re available. On a list of kids available, they\u2019re on the list.<\/p>\n

So if you want Prahlada Maharaj then you have to be like Hiranyakasipu. Now one may laugh but now we should look at this which is very interesting You have Diti and Kasyapa. Kasyapa is the son of Brahma. So he is a Brahmarsi and Diti is very qualified, they have a demon for a son. Then their demon son, like the best of the demons. You can\u2019t there\u2019s no one more demoniac like Hiranyakasipu. He was like the king. He has a pure devotee as a son. We should look at this. This is very sensual for these points, cause we\u2019re just talking on parents. Then as we discussed Diti and Kasyapa. Diti was very interested in position Her sister Aditi already had children. She was very anxious that her prestige was not as much. So she was totally interested in prestige, position. So laabh puja pratistha \u2013 Distinction, adoration, profit, that\u2019s all in that same category. They\u2019re all connected. So whichever angle you come from, the other one is there. She is very much interested in that, the wealth of the children, the prestige that comes from it , the respect that will come from that, from the others in the family and all those things. So that was her motive why she wanted a child. She wasn\u2019t interested in sense gratification. She was just wanted that. And Kasyapa told her, you wait a few minutes since it\u2019s sandhya now, I\u2019ve just finished my yajna and all that and this is Shiva\u2019s time, so as soon as the sandhya is over then from that time on the scriptures say this is proper. In other words he is professing that they follow what the Gita recommends that you plan having children. Then that\u2019s dharma. But she was basically saying, no, I want right now. You know we can see, the child now that means you know 24 minutes earlier I\u2019ll get all the prestige and everything I want. I don\u2019t want to wait that 24 minutes. So then because he is not so controlled in his senses like Kardama therefore he fell prey to this lust. So he was attracted by the senses and by the thought of spending that time comfortably with the wife. So that the wife was into Hiranya and the husband was into the kasipu. So he, I mean in other words you get exactly what you pay for. You know you don\u2019t get something else. So the kid is exactly the combination of consciousness of the parents, not something else. It won\u2019t be something else.<\/p>\n

Now when they ask well okay now you have this demoniac father. How did He you get Prahlada? This is an interesting story. This is told in the Nrsimha Purana. That the first time Hiranyakasipu went out to do his austerities with his brother Hiranyaksa, so they went up to the mountains and started their austerity. And then the demigods became very worried. Because already there\u2019s such big demons and making so much trouble that they were thinking if he does austerities, he\u2019s going to become even more powerful and more trouble. So they\u2019re thinking what to do and none of them can do anything. Cause already he\u2019s been more powerful than them, just they\u2019re afraid of them. So then they\u2019re all sitting and discussing and Narada Muni says, don\u2019t worry I\u2019ll take care of it. He tells his friend Parvata Muni. I think it is Parvata who went with him. Then they went down to where they were performing austerities and they both took the forms of sparrows, little dinkie bird and they flew over to a branch that\u2019s within ear shot, quite close to Hiranyakasipu but not too close. You know they\u2019re not fools and they sat down on the branch and they ruffle their feathers a little bit, sit their nicely and then they start chanting at the top of their voices \u201com namo narayanaya,, \u2026.\u201d And if you heard the sparrows they have a very annoying piercing voice. Their chirp is not sweet. It\u2019s very piercing. So you can imagine them chanting as loud as they can \u201com namo narayanaya,, \u2026.\u201d right next to Hiranyakasipu So then he breaks his meditation, sees these two birds there, tries to shoo them away. So they just move a little bit up on the branch, situate themselves. Start chanting again. Then he gets real angry now and you know he\u2019s a big controller. He couldn\u2019t get rid of two birds and they are chanting the name of his enemy, his life enemy. So then he reaches over, picks up his bows and arrows and goes to shoot, by the time he shoots, they fly away. So he tries to go back to his meditation but now he\u2019s so disturbed with this, he can\u2019t concentrate. So he figures okay, they will go back to the palace, take a few days and then we\u2019ll come back for our austerities. So he and his brother went back down to the palace and then at the palace when he came back and everyone is interested to see him back and he told the story, terrible story of hearing the Lord\u2019s holy name being chanted and then he set about about busying himself in the pleasures of the palace \u2013 listening to music, taking good food, drinking and being with friends, just doing anything to forget this terrible experience. But unfortunately he couldn\u2019t forget. It still was just riveted in his mind \u201com namo narayanaya,,\u2026.\u201d and these birds. So then he decided, ok, this didn\u2019t work, so no problem. I\u2019ll spend the night intimately with my wife. Of course I\u2019ll forget all things with that. So then he spent the time and then at the moment of conception, he is thinking of these two birds which is Narada Muni and Parvata Muni, great sages and devotees. And he is constantly in his mind \u201com namo narayanaya, om namo narayanaya, \u2026.\u201d Like this. So this is his consciousness at the moment of conception. Therefore, Prahlada Maharaj, pure devotee. So this is the point. That\u2019s why Narada Muni later then when the demigods catch Hiranyakasipu \u2018s a wife when he went for his second time for austerities. He said don\u2019t worry. This is not a demon. This is devotee. He just knows. And so he instructed Prahlada in the womb and like that. So that is there. Then you have you know you want a result out of the Bhagavatam, it starts with the parents. Then you must have good teachers. The teachers must understand their duties, have the brahminical qualities and they must be able to identify the nature of the student and know how to engage that nature in the Lord\u2019s service properly. And the student has to be prepared nicely by their parents.<\/p>\n

You see in India, generally find Indian parents by the time his kid comes to the gurukula they\u2019ve already learned the respect for authority, gentleness in dealing with others, they deal very nicely with compassion to those who are younger than them and they have an interest to learn. Because when they ask questions, some will always answer it., they\u2019ll spend the time with them. So they put a lot of energy into the kid and that kid can give a lot of energy out. They can absorb a lot of energy meaning they can absorb proper channeled energy from authority in a very nice pleasant way. And they are able to give that out to those below them. So that\u2019s this is what happens in the family before the child gets to gurukula. Is the members of the family especially the women they have the full time, the full freedom to give that energy to the kids. And the kids become very powerful, very qualified. very cultured. Then when they come to the school and then now you have something like you\u2019ve taken you know gold ore and made it into gold. The parents have done that. Now the teacher can make the gold and make it into an ornament. They can refine it. So what happens is this they go from the shelter and that relationship with the parents is parental rasa. They go to the teacher now for that shelter and parental rasa. It\u2019s the same rasa but because there\u2019s no bodily attachment therefore the child does not take things for granted. And in the house you just walk in, you get something to eat. You throw your stuff on the floor, your mother will pick it up. You know everything is automatic. It\u2019s an amazing place you walk in the door and everything is automatic. But it\u2019s not automatic, people are there, they\u2019re endeavoring, things are going on, there are so many things happening. And the reason is that is seems automatic because everyone there is trained. Father\u2019s trained, mother\u2019s trained. So therefore, it seems automatic. But now the child will understand that. Means the subconscious principles they take but the conscious they don\u2019t, so they go to the school cause in the school then the teachers make them conscious of what are those principles. What is, actually they become conscious of what is authority, what is their position, what is dealing with those equals and juniors and above. What is, their questioning goes from why is the grass green? and the sky is blue? These things, into inquiring about spiritual topic matters and those activities that you can engage according to one\u2019s varna and asrama in the Lord\u2019s service. So they become that was what was this morning the point of jijnasuh sreyah uttamam that was that meaning. They become inquisitive of it. So all that is done. Then the teacher can take them very far. So when you have all these in place, good student, good child, good teacher then you get the results directly seen in the Bhagavatam. So if something\u2019s wrong in it then rather than throw the system out, Prabhupada gives the example of removing the eye when there\u2019s a cataract. No, you remove the cataract. Is that if there has been problems, is not that the gurukula system doesn\u2019t work. It\u2019s just we don\u2019t work. We\u2019re a problem. We don\u2019t know how to parent the children properly. We don\u2019t know how to raise them. The teacher\u2019s aren\u2019t trained, they don\u2019t know how to teach and the kids aren\u2019t trained. So therefore there\u2019s a mess. The western system isn\u2019t a great alternative. We must, we must understand that all the different institutions and persons who are involved in school mismanagement.<\/p>\n

You know abuse cases and all these things and all that. That they weren\u2019t just developed in the recent years just for ISCKON schools The only place where abuse is going on planet is there. It\u2019s going on outside this. So we ourselves being part of the, part and parcel of the western environment we are also influenced by it. So as it degrades, specially we find the glorious American culture, we heard a very interesting point today. English, I think an English gentleman made a point that America\u2019s culture is very unique in the world cause they went from the barbarism to degradation without going to the normal intermediate step of civilization. Right you know, most others the barbarians, they become civilized and then they become degraded. But America just they\u2019re so practical, practical minimalist. That they just, well we see our position now as barbarians, we know the goal the future becoming degraded so why waste time, we go just go straight there. So we you know should not be overly influenced by this phenomena, so we take these things. Only solutions are these Vedic solutions. Of course we have to be practical. How much we can apply, we apply. How much we don\u2019t, we do the best we can. Means it takes time to develop. But unless you have a goal and unless you have a framework or a concept to work with, one won\u2019t get anywhere. It\u2019s not practical. So the most practical is the Vedic. Cause it\u2019s made for the material world. You know, the manufacturer of the material world made the Vedic culture to run it. So they\u2019re both from the same factory. They\u2019re both made by God while the modern things are made by us, by the people. So this is our point, we can either accept that there\u2019s absolute truths and we come in line with these truths or we ourselves dictate what is absolute truth and then we mould the society and culture corp for this.<\/p>\n

Back to the Socrates.<\/p>\n

That is basically what we\u2019re faced with. The point of do we keep the philosophy and religion together or do we keep the philosophy and make our own religion and therefore we have to adjust the philosophy. This is the bottom line. So for western culture this decision was made some thousands of years back, like the time of Socrates. Like generally when we think of western culture, we think back to the Greeks and we think back to that time. So Socrates was saying, there\u2019s an absolute truth. We must come in line with it. He didn\u2019t know much about it but he knew that it existed. And that we must find the absolute truth and mould our life according to it. And the Sophists said no, we make the rules. What we need now. What is the culture now. We adjust with that now and that becomes our thing. In other words the voice of the people is the voice of God. Vox populi vox dei. So the whole western culture is based on the Sophist philosophy. And you see that\u2019s what\u2019s going on today. You\u2019re modern revolutions, your modern disturbances. It\u2019s all based on that. We set the standards not God has a standard. We have to come up to it. We set the standards because it\u2019s practical. I like this so it\u2019s practical for me to adjust everything around me, so that I can get what I want. Rather than things aren\u2019t going right that\u2019s because there maybe something wrong with me. I have to adjust so I come in line with the proper standard. Then things go right . It\u2019s just a matter of which side you look at it. So we can either accept the Vedic situation or we can accept the Monard the Sophist situation. And that\u2019s basically what we\u2019re left with. So we may say practical this and jump up and down. But it\u2019s nothing new. I\u2019ve heard devotees say that we\u2019re a unique breed, we\u2019re something special, like Maharaj was saying yesterday, \u2013 I\u2019m a victim, now I\u2019m special. I was just a face in the crowd. But now I\u2019m the victim, so I\u2019m special. And we victims get together and make clubs and then you know all these things. Like I heard the herpes club. You know when everyone sits around and cries on each shoulder. That we all got herpes. You know stuff like that. So you know we become special because of this. So that is the whole point. I want to make myself special rather than I\u2019m just one ten thousand the tip of the hair and there\u2019s unlimited numbers of us here and I\u2019m just one of them. And if I want things to go right, I have to adjust my life to please Krishna.<\/p>\n

Practical is what actually works.<\/p>\n

So that is the point. We may say practical this that. But practical is what actually works. And what actually works is Vedic. If anything works in the Vedic culture. I think Maharaj mentioned that yesterday because it\u2019s just a reflection of a little bit left of it. The European, this whole European and Anglo Saxon culture, just a burnt reminisces of the ksatriyas that ran off to Europe and go to middle Asia. You know carouse around there for a while and then make a feel something like invasions and then come in. You know that it seems that the first group was more into just getting it together. They went in all the kelts and all that and established their culture and then the ones who are more wild and woollied even roaming around in the middle mid Asia and then you know came in a few times invaded and then took over. So we have this kind of a culture. So we can take that, So if no excuse me that wasn\u2019t the point. Is so whatever little bits there that work in the cultures it\u2019s because of that Ancient connections or someone\u2019s intelligent enough to look at the material nature to see it works like this and then make the philosophy. The problem if coming from this way, ain\u2019t way of ascending is that you may learn the points but you can\u2019t connect them to God\u2019s points of religion. You figured out function of the material world on the sensual platform or on the economic platform but you can\u2019t connect to the Lord\u2019s, the Lord\u2019s rules of life. You know dharma religion. So in other words it has no culture. You know it becomes a culture of lack of culture. What was your point for going in and making that observation. That\u2019s going to be the basis of that culture. While the Vedic thing is this how to get out of this material nature\u2019s the reason that we have the rules and then that comes down and then comes to the next levels. How to economically developed, how to enjoy the senses. All in line with this so you can get out of here. So these are the two angles that we can come from. Like that coming down from the authority of Vedas and then apply it according to the time, place and circumstance, the best we can or we can remove that and come up from the bottom and be always totally lacking culture. You can\u2019t get beyond that. That\u2019s the point. Modern the speculation cannot come up to that level. By definition you can\u2019t. You know.<\/p>\n

Iskcon culture and the panchratrika culture.<\/p>\n

Female question: Maharaj you are speaking about iskcon culture the panchratrika culture. And according to it \u2026 but it\u2019s like a general observation then the brahmanical devotees to some extent they can maintain it but as soon as you \u2026 then when they get so much into service or when they get into family, somhow this sadhana seems to go. It happens very happen. I wonder is it natural just because we are\u2026 even though we are not brahmanas by birth or it is just a motivation to join ISKCON\u2026 or I don\u2019t know hwat is the reason because it seem to be so commmon ?<\/p>\n

That\u2019s good point. I would kind a look at it from a different, I take a different angle. It\u2019s that the devotees have this tendency. I see this in the children in the school of students. Whatever I can do..huh. What is question? The question basically is that when someone comes into the society then we follow this brahminical culture that I was talking about. We see that others when they get into other activities then that are not necessarily brahminical occupational duties. They have trouble with this sadhana and lifestyle. So two aspects are there. One is sadhana and the principles of it so maybe for a brahmana following the sadhana maybe the most easy, just by conditional nature. Even if they\u2019re not devotional, they can follow it by conditional nature. But the point is, this is the culture of someone who is interested in devotional activities. So anyone who has that strong devotional drive, it won\u2019t be a difficulty to follow. They may have to adjust a little bit and do they best they can. But the principles of it will be maintained. That\u2019s the point cause maybe I don\u2019t sit down and chant 16 rounds at one shot without moving. Maybe I chant something here and I\u2019m chanting on the bus and then I chanted some breaks at the work and I chant a little bit in the evening. So it\u2019s not the ideal. But in other words, we can\u2019t necessarily cook everything and offer everything so our outside, we buy a little something, we offer it. You know like that. We don\u2019t have deites but the principles remain.<\/p>\n

F: .. love and devotion \u2026.<\/p>\n

Yeah so that always remains. But why I would say is the tendencies that it would drop would be, so that\u2019s one aspect is that we have to see the difference between the ideal application of it and the details being manifest nicely and the application of it that the principles are never compromised. Okay, so that \u2018s one platform. Then another way, another aspect of looking at I it will be that devotees aren\u2019t understanding that this is our culture and we don\u2019t take this kind of duty, non attached duty very seriously means okay I\u2019m attached to the family, I\u2019m attached to money, I have to get it. So I do that. But because of attachment, not as his duty, because if there is some problems there in the home, the husband and wife don\u2019t get along \u2013 now I don\u2019t want to get money. And then the thing gets worse and then there\u2019s more plates flying and more things happening and then it just all breaks up. And then we decide okay, it was that one. I was alright but the other one didn\u2019t, didn\u2019t work properly. So you get a new one. So we don\u2019t value the rules, we don\u2019t value that these are duties and we must do them. And so this is there, I\u2019ll work it in somehow. Just like I have to maintain the house. I have to have money. Somehow another I work it in because it just has to be done. But the point is I only do this as long as there\u2019s attachment. So we have to be learn do to activities because we\u2019re supposed to do them rather than from the platform of attachment. Then a third thing is why also it\u2019s easy to drop the rules. Not understand this is a body of rules and we always have to follow. I\u2019ve seen this in students, is that what you do at a younger age. when you get older you figured that you\u2019re more advanced you will be doing, you won\u2019t be doing things you could do the first day you walk in. So It\u2019s like I\u2019ve seen mixed with adult students with the younger kids children. If the children are able to do it, the adult students think I shouldn\u2019t be doing that, I\u2019m wasting my time, I can do something better. So when you come into the temple, your\u2019re new bhakta, the new bhaktin, they teach you in the first few months to do all these different things, put on your tilaka and all that and now I\u2019m advanced, so it\u2019s not so important. You don\u2019t understand that these are just, the Vedic concept of learning is \u2013 nothing that you learn is useless. You know just like in I don\u2019t know if you have here but in English you have things like, you used to do the nursery rhyme is another useless thing. You never use this as an adult really in your life. But you learn them. But Vedic Culture they\u2019ll never do that. What they do is that you take the body of the adult knowledge, figure out what it is you can memorize in simple concepts, that\u2019s given to the youngest kids. Then the technical aspects of it are given to the middle aged kids. And then theoretical and theological aspects are given to the oldest, most qualified. So they break it up like that. But we\u2019re used to a different system. We know what you do in first grade you don\u2019t do when you\u2019re in higher levels. So the tendency is this oh I did that already, Oh yeah, oh that again, you know it\u2019s kind of like, sit down, oh we got to chant the prayer, you know and stuff like that. It\u2019s just like we\u2019ve done that. Let\u2019s move on. But the thing is these are our culture. If you don\u2019t do them, then you have to do something. There has to be some system to remember that this prasadam came by Krishna\u2019s grace. The Lord\u2019s grace I have this. And so you either accept our system. or you sit there and say, say your know whatever it is you say, what the Christians will say about , God give us our daily bread or you say your brouha (?) or you say something. Otherwise you know it\u2019s not proper. But we\u2019ll just sit down and just start eating. There\u2019s no culture there.<\/p>\n

Even the common Christian or Jew has more culture than that cause they follow a system, means there\u2019s a regulation, there\u2019s a rule that governs your life and you do that. It\u2019s a duty. I have to recognize God. So the whole idea is to recognize God at all these points. When I wake up I recognize yes I\u2019m servant of Krishna. I chant Krishna\u2019s name. Then I\u2019m servant of Krishna then but how as a servant I serve my spiritual master. I offer my obeisances to my spiritual master. Then I clean the body. The body belongs to Krishna. How Krishna likes it. He likes us to clean our teeth. You know he likes us to take our bath and do all these different things. Then we decorate the body according to Krishna\u2019s culture. Like that so this is the way Krishna. So this is something anybody new can learn. So that is the principle. Those are given first. And then as we go we come to the point of being able to study and understand Bhagavatam. This is for the mature experienced. Means they already know how to put on tilaka and they do put it on. They can taste Bhagavatam. Those who know how to put it on and don\u2019t put it on, they won\u2019t taste Bhagavatam. That\u2019s all. Cause there\u2019s no culture. So the Bhagavatam is showing you how to take Krishna\u2019s culture. Now you\u2019re putting the tilaka and you know how to do it and remembering Krishna. That\u2019s what the Bhagavatam shows you. So first you have to be cultured. Then you can get the full benefit from it. Otherwise you won\u2019t get. So we have to value the culture. Then we get the result.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

\"HareBy Bhaktividya Purna Swami<\/strong><\/p>\n

Today, we\u2019ll try to look at a different angle or go a step a little further in trying to understand the culture. If we\u2019re accepting our premise that culture means following the Vedic rules and regulations with a desire to please the Lord and these rules and regulations then come to us in the form of this varnasrama culture \u2013this dharma. Things become a little bit more easy to categorize if you have a framework to work in. Dealing with varnas and asramas. Now then the difficulty comes in. We have these varnas, we have these asramas and then were trying to establish our self within these. The asramas side is not so difficult, generally it\u2019s quite easy. We\u2019re either married or not married. If we\u2019re not married, either we wanted to get married or did not want to get married or we\u2019ve been married and now we\u2019re through with being married, so it kind of comes quite easily and then if you\u2019re through with being married, then you\u2019re still either with the wife or you have not spent so much time together or once taken sannyasa or gone to Vrindavana, just living as a recluse, so that it becomes a little bit more obvious. But then when we\u2019re dealing with varnas that\u2019s generally where all the problem comes.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-22936","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-articles"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22936","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=22936"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22936\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":22962,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22936\/revisions\/22962"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=22936"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=22936"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=22936"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}