{"id":5438,"date":"2008-03-05T14:34:40","date_gmt":"2008-03-05T13:34:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=5438"},"modified":"2008-03-07T19:15:48","modified_gmt":"2008-03-07T18:15:48","slug":"live-from-sri-mayapur-candrodaya-mandir-mar-3rd","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=5438","title":{"rendered":"Live from Sri Mayapur Candrodaya Mandir! Mar 3rd"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img src='http:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/32rwd3.jpg'  align=\"left\" alt='' \/><strong>Date:      March 3 , 2008<br \/>\nVerse:     Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.13.10<br \/>\nSpeaker:   HH Romapada Swami<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>By Ananda Tirtha (das) PVS (Mayapur &#8211; IN)<\/p>\n<p>You can download the audio file from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mayapur.com\/files\/media\/lectures_english\/080303_sb3.13.10_rps.mp3\">here<\/a><br \/>\nor start the player below to listen<\/p>\n<p><smp3 file=\"http:\/\/www.mayapur.com\/files\/media\/lectures_english\/080303_sb3.13.10_rps.mp3\" width=\"300\" songvolume=\"90\" backcolor=\"ffffff\" frontcolor=\"000000\" autostart=\"false\" showdownload=\"true\" repeatplay=\"false\" \/><\/p>\n<p>____________________________________<\/p>\n<p>etavaty atmajair vira  karya hy apacitir gurau<br \/>\nsaktyapramattair grhyeta  sadaram gata-matsaraih<\/p>\n<p>TRANSLATION:  O hero, your example is quite befitting a son in relationship with his father. This sort of adoration for the superior is required. One who is beyond the limit of envy and who is sane accepts the order of his father with great delight and executes it to his full capacity.<\/p>\n<p>PURPORT:  When the four previous sons of Brahma, the sages Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanandana and Sanat-kumara, refused to obey their father, Brahma was mortified, and his anger was manifested in the shape of Rudra. That incident was not forgotten by Brahma, and therefore the obedience of Manu Svayambhuva was very encouraging. From the material point of view, the four sages&#8217; disobedience to the order of their father was certainly abominable, but because such disobedience was for a higher purpose, they were free from the reaction of disobedience. Those who disobey their fathers on material grounds, however, are surely subjected to disciplinary reaction for such disobedience. Manu&#8217;s obedience to his father on material grounds was certainly free from envy, and in the material world it is imperative for ordinary men to follow the example of Manu.<\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: This text ten is amplifying and following in logical line and conclusion from the previous verse. The second line of what Brahma is saying refers to the previous verse:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLord Brahma said: My dear son, O lord of the world, I am very pleased with you, and I desire all blessings for both you and your wife. You have without reservation surrendered yourself unto me with your heart for my instructions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is the previous verse, text nine. Brahma is pinpointing why he is satisfied with Manu. In this verse, he is mentioning that again and then indicating what are the positive consequences of such pleasing behavior. So nirvyalikena hrda, nirvyalika, this phrase appears in certain places again and again in the Bhagavatam and our teachings of devotion. Nirvyalika indicates without pretense, or ahaituky apratihata yayatma suprasidati, without hetu, without cause, or unmixed with something selfish. That is without pretense, so with pretense is mixed. <\/p>\n<p>Using Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur\u2019s phrase, it is dovetailing. I want, Krsna wants, very nice. I do what I want because it matches what Krsna wants \u2013 dovetail. And nirvyalika is Krsna wants and that determines what I do. The distinction is clear?<\/p>\n<p>I did a little research. Dovetailing is a carpentry term when you join one piece of wood with another piece of wood and the notches are such that it is even stronger than one piece of wood. There are many other uses, but that is one use, a carpentry term, joining together. There is our desire, there is Krsna\u2019s desire, and dovetailing it. We just do what we like to do. It is convenient because Krsna also likes that. <\/p>\n<p>That is with selfish interest. That is not just nirvyalika kind of service. Brahma is putting the point on the fact that Manu had no interest for himself. He came before, like Prabhupada would say about Sanatana Goswami coming before Lord Caitanya, like a blank slate. You just write on me, who am I, what\u2019s my service and that becomes my purpose and who I am. Just tell me who am I. I am yours. <\/p>\n<p>The other is, I\u2019ve got my idea and let\u2019s hear what your idea is. Those things that match up my idea with your idea, I dovetail my idea with yours and that is devotional service. That is mixed devotional service. <\/p>\n<p>There is a very nice commentary by Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur that I want to insert right in the beginning part of this presentation. It comes from the Tenth Canto, Chapter Eighty-seven, a long chapter of the Bhagavatam, Prayers by the Personified Vedas. In this purport, Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur is micro-analyzing, very, very carefully analyzing. He says:<\/p>\n<p>How does the hearing process work to bring one to the point of transcendence? We know from the Srimad-Bhagavatam, first canto, that the hearing process gradually moves one from the lower modes of nature, passion and ignorance, to the quality of goodness. So the gift of Srimad-Bhagavatam is to deliver us to transcendence.<\/p>\n<p>So how does it work? How do you go beyond this dovetailing program to a completely surrendered program? The other word in text nine is atmanarpitam. It is very similar to atma-nivedanam, or sometimes it is atma-samarpitam, full surrender from the heart, not from the mind. That becomes possible through the hearing process. The qualification, the eligibility of a candidate for devotional service, those of you who know Nectar of Devotion, is one\u2019s eagerness to have that relationship with Krsna, or sincere desire. I remember that the Latin root of sincere is scire, which means unmixed, taken from marble that doesn\u2019t have any lines in it. Like our floor, the white marble has lines in it. The deity is without lines in it. That is scire. There is nothing mixed. Not \u201cwhat\u2019s in it for me\u201d consciousness, \u201cwhat do I get out of it\u201d consciousness. It is \u201cwhat is your interest and that becomes my interest\u201d consciousness. <\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s called love. How to approach that position of attentive, loving dealing with Krsna through the process of hearing, that\u2019s exciting. You go beyond goodness, which is religiosity, because here there is language about material in the purport: \u201caccept obedience on material grounds.\u201d How that can be transcendental?<\/p>\n<p>Here is Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur\u2019s commentary. The frame of it is Chapter Eighty-seven of the tenth canto. Maharaja Pariksit is asking a very significant question, he is saying to Sukadeva Goswami, \u201cI have heard all the nine cantos. I have heard the whole tenth canto. I have heard everything about Krsna\u2019s pastimes and my consciousness is completely fixed upon the Personality of Godhead. I am ready. Let that snake bird come or whatever is going to happen. I am ready, but I have a doubt. How did this happen? Because what has been going on is you\u2019re using something material, your tongue and I am using something material, my ear, and we got to this spiritual place. How can you use something material to get to something spiritual? That is my doubt. I know what I am experiencing. I am fixed, but how did it happen?\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Sukadeva Goswami says, \u201cVery nice question. Such a nice question was asked long ago by many sages and when those sages were discussing, they were saying, \u2018Oh, this is such a nice question.\u2019 It was discussed long ago, meaning it is a classic question. \u201cThen the four Kumaras were discussing this very question with the personified Vedas.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then the topic is the longest chapter in the Srimad Bhagavatam. It is a deep subject. So using something material to get to a spiritual place, that is the core teaching of Caitanya Mahaprabhu as captured by Rupa Goswami: nirbandha-krsna-sambandhe yukta-vairagyam ucyate.  How does it work though? So they are discussing. <\/p>\n<p>One of the essences that they speak about is the mind fixed up on Krsna. The short answer in the long chapter is everything comes from the ultimate source, Krsna. So those things which come from Krsna, when used in service to Krsna, they take on a spiritual quality, the tongue becomes spiritualized, the ear becomes spiritualized and that can carry you to a spiritual place. <\/p>\n<p>But they think very deeply because the Kumaras like discussing spiritual topics. That\u2019s what they do.  They are the Lord\u2019s jnana-sakti, saktyavesa-avataras. And they like discussing with qualified people, so the personified Vedas. Very, very lively discussion. So some of the personified Vedas are saying the essence is where the mind goes, not just what the tongue and the ear do, but fixing the mind. So then, how do you fix the mind?<\/p>\n<p>So they describe different ways of fixing the mind and Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur in his commentary says some of the more elevated Upanisads, just like we find in Brhad Bhagavatamrta, there are levels of Upanisads, the Gopala-tapani Upanisad and others of the most elevated Upanisads interrupt this dialogue and say, \u201cNo, no, no, no, we are talking about taking some kind of mechanical process, fixing the mind as in the astanga-yoga process, fixing the mind in a mechanical way. No, no, no, that is not at all necessary in the process of bhakti. It is not at all necessary.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The one thing that is necessary is just what is being described in this verse, the nirvyalikena, atma samarpanam, hrda, the quality of Manu. From his heart, unpretentiously, meaning without any other purpose, without any other motive, ahaituki bhakti: \u201cBrahma what is that service you would like me to do? Blank check, I am ready.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The same nirvyalikena will come later on in the same canto when Svayambhuva Manu goes to visit Kardama Muni. Svayambhuva Manu reaches the hermitage of Kardama Muni. Kardama Muni just glorifies Svayambhuva Manu and says, \u201cI don\u2019t know why you\u2019ve come to this deep in the forest position where my hermitage is, but you are the Lord of the universe, you are the Manu controlling the whole universe, so there must be some purpose for your coming here.\u201d He gives him a blank check. He says, \u201cWhatever you want.\u201d Nirvyalikena, same exact words, \u201cWhatever you want. I am prepared.\u201d This is without pretense. Prabhupada explains it there are as well.<\/p>\n<p>Or when Brahma undergoes his austerities. He receives this instruction, tapa. He performs his tapa, nirvyalika. He is just inquiring about who am I, same as Sanatana Goswami: \u201cWho am I, what is my purpose of existence, how am I to perform it. Please instruct me, I am ready.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>So now we will go to Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur\u2019s commentary. The essence is, putting the point on it one more time: unrestricted, unconditional, unqualified surrender, ready to very, very carefully understand what the instruction is and bring it into the world of action. Perform it as you wish. That mission, like in the language of Bhagavad-gita, tad viddhi pranipatena. Pranipatena, unconditional submission. Here is Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur\u2019s commentary. Visvanatha is paraphrasing the Gopala-tapani Upanisad saying how the hearing process works to bring one transcendence is submission to two things, the source of the message, ultimately Krsna, but the deliverer of the message and the message itself. Here is what he writes:<\/p>\n<p>The idea here is that one should directly see the Supreme Personality of Godhead because when one\u2019s mind is fixed upon him just like Dhruva. His mind was fixed upon him under the order of Narada and he was chanting om namo bhagavate vasudevaya, as he was fixed like that, the Lord appeared within his heart and then he appeared before him.<\/p>\n<p>So that is the goal. Prabhupada would often teach us, when the goal is clearly identified, it is very easy to make steps to achieve the goal. If you don\u2019t have a very clearly identified goal, good luck. Try to reach there. Where is there? \u201cOh, life is a search, life is a journey.\u201d Sometimes people would speak like this to Prabhupada. Sometimes we hear it, too. Life is but a journey. A journey to where? <\/p>\n<p>Life is not a journey. Like Professor Staal and his argument that the essence of the Vedas is yajna. Asked the question, \u201cYajna unto whom?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He answers, \u201cNo unto whom. Yajna.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>One of our devotees in Connecticut met one of Professor Staal\u2019s students at the University of Bridgeport in Connecticut giving an introduction to an anthropology class on Krsna consciousness. There were one of his students in the classroom. The devotee didn\u2019t put the diacritics under Krsna\u2019s name, so after class was over, this very strong, proud man went up and put the diacritics under Krsna\u2019s name. The devotee could understand, \u201cOh, he knows Sanskrit.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Then he said, \u201cWhy are you telling people the essence of the Vedas is to know Krsna? The essence of the Vedas is yajna.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The devotee said, \u201cYes, that is very nice. Yes, Krsna speaks about yajna in Bhagavad-gita, but yajna unto whom?\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The answer was, \u201cNot unto whom.\u201d He was repeating what his professor taught him. \u201cYajna.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo what is the goal?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYajna.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>\u201cUnto whom?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo unto whom.\u201d<\/p>\n<p> Good luck getting there. Define the goal as Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur has done. The idea here is that one should directly see the Supreme Personality of Godhead in a condition of love. The heart needs to be transformed for that to happen, premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. How do we get there? Through the hearing process. How does it work? The means for achieving this are then stated. <\/p>\n<p>First, one must hear from a bona fide guru. Take the words of such a spiritual master into one\u2019s heart. This is described in yesterday\u2019s verse, taking the words into, srnvanti, gayanti, grnanti, sadhava. Grnanti, take the words into your heart, keep it right with the soul, touching the soul, moving the soul. <\/p>\n<p>And how does one offer the proper regard for the source of the source of that knowledge and the instruction itself? By offering him humble service and striving in all ways to please him. This is what Manu\u2019s disposition is, as Radhanath Maharaja was describing, service. \u201cWhat is it that you want? I\u2019m ready.\u201d Striving by all means, one should then continuously ponder the divine message of the spiritual master with the aim of dispelling all doubts and misconceptions.<\/p>\n<p>This is where the listening from the mind instead of from the heart does not take us to the position of transcendence because the mind has so many filters. We have our conceptions of life and they are not spiritual because we are conditioned souls. We hear according to our conceptions. What goes in is what matches our conceptions. It is like Polaroid lenses. Certain types of light don\u2019t enter because there are filters to keep them. There is light, but you don\u2019t get the full light with filters. Our material conceptions of life act in that way. We accept. We hear what we want to hear and we do not hear what we do not want to hear. Even that which we hear is how we want to hear it and we go on with devotional service, but that is mixed. The instruction of Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur is the same as Prabhupada\u2019s instruction, we should consider very carefully from different angles of vision, what is this instruction that I\u2019ve received? What is it that our Founder-acarya wants? <\/p>\n<p>A part of coming together in sanga, like we do here in Mayapur, is to see as other sadhus are seeing the instructions. The operative thing from our side is the desire to connect with that instruction. We want to make sure we know what the instruction is because over on this side is the desire to do it, whatever it is. When that desire is served and the attempt to serve are very carefully assimilated, grnanti, the message, and bring it within the core of the heart, what Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur describes is, then the contaminations of the heart, the coverings of the soul are removed. <\/p>\n<p>When the coverings of the soul are removed, one can, with fixed consciousness, say, \u201cnirvyalika\u201d. One can proceed to meditate on Sri Krsna\u2019s lotus feet with total concentration and determination, which is what is being described here by Lord Brahma in the verse that we recited this morning:<\/p>\n<p>etavaty atmajair vira karya hy apacitir gurau<\/p>\n<p>Apacitir literally means worship. In the translation, Prabhupada has used adoration. It is the sense of gratitude, the sense of I have received something very, very powerful and I don\u2019t even have the qualification to understand how wonderful it is. There is trust. I trust Srila Prabhupada, the deliverer of the message, and those representing Srila Prabhupada, to give such a wonderful, wonderful gift. <\/p>\n<p>Now, with the desire to understand what that gift is and to bring it into the world of action, then this transformation of heart takes place where the enemies of the conditioned soul, here is one of them, pramatta, the state of madness. So it is apramatta, or sane. There is insane. <\/p>\n<p>We have our common sense of what sane and insane is, but the Vedic sense of sane and insane is just like the instruction from Rsabhadeva: nunam pramattah kurute vikarma. The state of madness is when one accepts that a life of sense gratification, whether it is karma or vikarma, a life of sense gratification, this is happiness. Thinking like that is madness. And apramatta means sane. One has put that to the side, dispensed with it, and the focus now is something else. <\/p>\n<p>It is not the dovetail, bringing my idea of happiness into the realm of Krsna\u2019s service. Leaving that off, rejecting that pursuit, that sense, that conception of what happiness is and accepting the conception of happiness as being in our constitutional position of service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And not just in the mind, but where there is nothing that is going to change that. There is no task or tribulation where we reach our breaking point or some allurement where we say, \u201cWell, Krsna must want it and don\u2019t worry\u201d or just unthinkingly go along the path of devotional service. [Unclear] This comes from the hearing process. We are getting an opportunity again and again and again through the Bhagavatam to come to that position. <\/p>\n<p>And gata-matsaraih, those who are beyond the limit of envy. The situation is there is the son and the father. Or Prabhupada is transforming this by his use of language to the subordinate and the superior. We have so many superiors. In fact, we are being trained to see everyone as our superior and to address them as Prabhu. So how to have proper regard in the heart for so many other persons who we see as our Prabhu?  When it is beyond the limit of envy. This is Manu\u2019s qualification. We are being encouraged to follow Prabhupada\u2019s last line in the purport: \u201c\u2026it is imperative for ordinary men to follow the example of Manu.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What is the example of Manu? He has no envy in his heart. He simply wants to serve. In a very nice purport in second canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam where Srila Prabhupada is borrowing from Jiva Goswami\u2019s Bhakti Sandharbha, he is describing how the process of hearing and chanting the Holy Name acts, same point, to bring one to transcendence. Jiva Goswami is detailing differing levels of devotees. <\/p>\n<p>One level he describes is those who just like to serve. That\u2019s a nice quality. They just like to serve: this service, that service, it doesn\u2019t matter, designation. Because I have no designation, I throw off(?) all designation \u2013 just service. That is a very nice qualification because especially when one has that mood of service and one is in good association, then one is connected with service that carries one to transcendence. But this commodity, or quality, of faith is so important. Again, Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur\u2019s definition of faith is one has unflinching faith in the instructions of the spiritual master. This is the secret to success in spiritual life. You take the instruction of the spiritual master as your life and soul. You can\u2019t separate yourself from that instruction. That carries one. Krsna carries one to the transcendental position. There is no envy. The material world has envy, so there is always some kind of calculation, how can I move up, how I can gain something. It\u2019s a fruitive mentality.<\/p>\n<p>All those contaminations of the soul, coverings of the soul are removed by the proper hearing process. It is about to come, Manu has submitted himself completely to Lord Brahma. <\/p>\n<p>One other point: very much like the Pracetas. When the Pracetas heard from their father, King Pracinabarhi, some similar instruction, \u201cI would like you to qualify yourselves to produce good progeny.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The answer was, \u201cYes, Sir.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Prabhupada comments that it is because of their obedience to their father later on they are simply going on executing the instruction of their father. It is not that, \u201cOh, this is something we want, therefore it is very nice.\u201d It is whatever he wants, that is very nice. They went to perform austerities for ten thousand years. Their lifetime is long, one hundred thousand years, but that is like, supposing some of the grhasthas were given some blessings from their spiritual master to conceive children and you took ten years out of your life to qualify yourself to have children. That would be equivalent. So they are going off to qualify themselves to have good praja. <\/p>\n<p>Lord Siva comes from out of the lake and says to them, \u201cVery rare is it for someone to see me, but I\u2019ve come before you because I am very pleased by this quality you have of being submissive to the indication of your father. You please me very much by this quality and I want to give you something. I want to give you the means that you can achieve spiritual perfection, not just undergo the austerity to get the purification so that you can produce children, but realize the goal of life. I want to give you that gift.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He gives them the stotra by which he met the Personality of Godhead and achieved perfection. He is giving them that gift, just like you receive the gift of Prabhupada\u2019s teachings, his instructions, the teachings of the disciplic succession. Now we have access to Jiva Goswami, Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur, or any of the other great personalities [unclear] without the mercy of our spiritual master? Apacitir gurau, worship of the spiritual master, Prabhupada has said here [unclear]. Then we can act in a transcendental way. <\/p>\n<p>That is how the hearing process works. We are finding in the Bhagavatam here, Brahma is ready to give instruction that is going to give the whole life\u2019s direction to Manu and Manu is ready to receive it. The point Prabhupada makes in the conclusion of the purport is that although submission is for something material, it is going to act in a spiritual way because there is no envy in his heart. He is fully prepared to accept whatever the indication is in the proper mood of service. <\/p>\n<p>So we\u2019ll end here. Srila Prabhupada ki jai! We have a few minutes for questions.<\/p>\n<p>Mahadyuti Prabhu: [Inaudible]\n<p>Romapada Swami: Karma-yoga, which Ramananda Raya says that\u2019s external, go further. [Unclear] <\/p>\n<p>Dravida Prabhu: We see this same kind of dilemma or phenomena that we have here where the four Kumaras refused the instruction to propagate and that made Brahma angry. Now we have Manu submitting, but at the same time, we have the Kumaras, they did a good thing, too. But now later on, another thing happens with the Haryasvas and the Savalasvas. Narada Muni convinces them. Daksa is trying to fulfill his duty of propagating. He gets angry. What is good and what\u2019s bad here?<\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: We need Narada Muni because Narada Muni is very important in that whole drama. First thing Narada Muni did was he examined the candidate to see what is the qualification. Daksa just had a desire. He wanted them to help him with his desire. Narada wanted to examine the qualification. When he saw what the qualification was, he gave them the appropriate service to Krsna, the position of service to Krsna both times. He did the same thing with Dhruva. He examined Dhruva. It is something a qualified follower of Narada, a preacher of Krsna consciousness, needs to do. We need to examine the quality before giving them instruction. That is a responsibility the instructor has. <\/p>\n<p>Q: [Unclear]\n<p>Romapada Swami: That\u2019s a nice point. I don\u2019t know how to answer that question. Do you want to answer that question? No? [Laughter] The question was, did Brahma not examine the four Kumaras? <\/p>\n<p>Ramai Swami is saying that Brahma had a purpose. OK. Brahma was engaging the Kumaras according to the instructions he had gotten from Lord Visnu. And the Kumaras said no. Prahladananda Swami? Lively discussion this morning!<\/p>\n<p>Prahladananda Swami: There is a realm where intelligence doesn\u2019t go beyond that so sometimes you have to take a chance and then you learn.<\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: That\u2019s us. Then there\u2019s Brahma and Narada and other qualified people.<br \/>\nPrahladananda Swami: Well, Bhagavatam shows us that even Lord Brahma has his limits.<\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: Thank you very much. Visuddha-sattva, then Mahadyuti, if we have time.<\/p>\n<p>Visuddha Sattva Das: There was a good reason why the four Kumaras were brahmacaris. They rejected the order of Lord Brahma because. . . .  <\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: We know why they rejected, but the question is, why did Brahma instruct them different than their qualification, their capacity.<\/p>\n<p>Visuddha Sattva Das: Yes, but I understand, but I want to make a point also because it is significant. Prabhupada said in the purport that it is the duty of the son to follow the father, but for higher purpose, you can reject. They wanted to engage in devotional service. <\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: No contamination on their part, that is correct. \tMahadyuti?<\/p>\n<p>Mahadyuti Das: Now this unconditional submission is a deep act of faith in the heart, so is that Krsna\u2019s guidance or is that also by our own discrimination or independence? How does Krsna help our independence align in the right way?<\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: Krsna helps those who are sincere. That is the faith of the sincere. Just like Prahladananda Maharaja indicated, our capacity is limited, but if there is faith in Krsna, he is unlimited. We decide our direction by our faith. Our intelligence is limited and limited intelligence says, we need the superior intelligence of Krsna. Somebody else had their hand up.<\/p>\n<p>Prahladananda Swami: The other explanation is that sometimes Krsna arranges personalities like Lord Brahma and four Kumaras to set an example for the universe. In other words, Lord Brahma and the four Kumaras, sometimes they reenact things that set standards so that everyone else learns what the standards are.<\/p>\n<p>Suresvara Das: Thank you, Maharaja for your very deliberate delivery. Thank you. It\u2019s an echo of Mahadyuti Prabhu\u2019s question, 9.27, yat karosi, and you identify that as being on the level of karma-yoga. In the last chapter, Krsna also appeared to be advocating dovetailing, \u201cNow hear from me how every man can become perfect by following the qualities of work,\u201d and then the next verse, \u201cBy worship of the Lord who is all pervading and the source of all being, man can perform his own duties in perfection.\u201d Then finally, 18.66, sarva-dharman parityaja. When is dovetailing progressive and when is it hindrance? <\/p>\n<p>Romapada Swami: I will give you a short answer. When we know what the goal is, or when we are guided by Rupa Goswami and his teachings, when we are Rupanugas, then it is progressive. Brahma Samhita, text sixty-one to text sixty-three, Brahma also had the desire. He wants to create a universe. He asks Lord Visnu, \u201cIs this going to interfere with my service to you?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The answer is: \u201cNo, provided that you are connected properly with the hearing and chanting process, you maintain fixed concentration upon the goal. Then it\u2019s not an interference.\u201d The purport of Bhaktisiddhanta says that it acts as purifying as the direct nine processes of devotional service, provided that. <\/p>\n<p>Thank you very much. Srila Prabhupada ki jai!<\/p>\n[Applause]\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/middleheader.jpg\" alt=\"Hare Krishna\" \/><strong>By Ananda Tirtha das<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Date:      March 3 , 2008 Verse:     Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.13.10 Speaker:   HH Romapada Swami ( transcript and audio )<!--more--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[75,36],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5438","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-classes","category-romapada-swami"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5438","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5438"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5438\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5438"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5438"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5438"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}