{"id":65113,"date":"2018-08-07T12:37:56","date_gmt":"2018-08-07T10:37:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=65113"},"modified":"2018-08-07T12:37:56","modified_gmt":"2018-08-07T10:37:56","slug":"butter-and-fire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dandavats.com\/?p=65113","title":{"rendered":"Butter and Fire"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>                                             by Devaki Devi Dasi<\/p>\n<p>To transgress the recommendations of vaishnava etiquette always leads to<br \/>\ndisturbances, misunderstandings, conflicts and even fall-down. It<br \/>\ncontaminates our hearts and the atmosphere in our communities. Krishna tries<br \/>\nto protect us from such miseries by giving us His culture and etiquette. And<br \/>\na vaishnava has to set a good example by following them. We might think<br \/>\nourselves to be beyond those rules and spiritually strong enough not to get<br \/>\naffected by such transgression-nevertheless, we have to follow just to set a<br \/>\nshining example to others. If we disregard the rules of etiquette, others<br \/>\nwill easily follow our bad example and also transgress such recommendations,<br \/>\nwhich will result in disturbances and contamination.<br \/>\nThe standard of vaishnava etiquette and behavior towards the other gender<br \/>\ndeserves special attention, since the man\/woman attraction is so powerful<br \/>\nand may create most disturbance. Sex life does not only take place on the<br \/>\ngross physical level, but also on the subtle level of the mind. To speak<br \/>\nunnecessarily to members of the other gender, to laugh and joke with them<br \/>\nand engage in dealings which are not absolutely required for service may be<br \/>\nclassified as subtle sex life, because we enjoy in a subtle way the<br \/>\nassociation and attention of the other gender. As we all know, Srila<br \/>\nPrabhupada gave us the analogy of butter and fire: butter is good and fire<br \/>\nis good, but if they come too close, the butter melts. Never mind whether it<br \/>\nis old or young butter, white, yellow or saffron butter, whether it is old<br \/>\nor young fire, married or unmarried fire-butter is butter, and fire is fire!<br \/>\nThey maintain their inert qualities. Thus the two genders should be kept<br \/>\nseparately as far as possible and practical. It enhances our spiritual<br \/>\nadvancement and keeps the atmosphere more pure. In fact, the more we keep<br \/>\nour personal spiritual practice strict and pure, the more we can be<br \/>\nempowered to preach. Purity is the force. But if we compromise the standards<br \/>\nand allow free mingling to enter our life, we will remain on a lower level<br \/>\nof spiritual advancement and thus will not be able to uplift others.<br \/>\nWe can find this understanding in all genuine spiritual practices. Strictly<br \/>\npracticing Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists agree with the understanding,<br \/>\nthat the man\/woman attraction distracts us from God. Most monasteries are<br \/>\neither for men or women-not for both genders. Srila Prabhupada was so<br \/>\nliberal to arrange men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s ashramas under the same roof, because<br \/>\nhe could understand that in modern life there is free mingling of the<br \/>\ngenders. But at the same time he emphasized vaishnava etiquette between men<br \/>\nand women-for our own protection, wellbeing and spiritual advancement.<\/p>\n<p>On a morning walk in Chicago on July 10, 1075, Srila Prabhupada explains<br \/>\nthis aspect of vaishnava culture-even in regards to family relations:<br \/>\n&#8220;The example is the butter and fire should be kept separate as far as&#8230;<br \/>\nOtherwise the butter will melt. Matra svasra duhitra va [SB 9.19.17]. The<br \/>\nbutter and&#8230;, means man and woman. A man is butter, and woman is fire. So<br \/>\nthis is restricted even the man happens to be father, brother or son. Matra<br \/>\nsvasra duhitra va. People cannot think of sex impulse in the presence of<br \/>\ndaughter, mother or sister. But shastra says &#8220;No. There is possibility.&#8221;<br \/>\nMatra svasra duhitra va na vivaktasane vaset: &#8220;They should not be kept,<br \/>\nshould not sit together.&#8221; Then people may say, &#8220;This is impossible. Maybe<br \/>\nsome tenth-class rascal may be attracted.&#8221; So the next line says, &#8220;No,&#8221;<br \/>\nvidvamshapi karshati, &#8220;it is not the question of tenth-class rascal; even<br \/>\nfirst-class learned, he may be attracted.&#8221; Not to speak of tenth-class<br \/>\nrascal, but first-class learned may be. Not may be. It is a&#8230; Balavan<br \/>\nindriya-gramo vidvamshapi karshati: &#8220;The senses are so strong that it can<br \/>\nmislead even the most learned scholar.&#8221;<br \/>\nIn a lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.1.6 given in Mumbai on April 17, 1976,<br \/>\nhe further explains:<br \/>\n&#8220;With woman you should be very, very cautious and careful, as much as<br \/>\nrequired, not free mingling. No. Therefore, according to Vedic civilization,<br \/>\nthere is always a separation between woman and men. Here in India we find<br \/>\nthat whenever there is some meeting, the women are sitting separately; men<br \/>\nare sitting separately. This is required. Not only that, you cannot talk<br \/>\neven with woman unnecessarily, even with your wife. This is restriction.<br \/>\nTherefore it is said, yavad-artham vyavaharet: &#8220;as much as it is required.&#8221;<br \/>\nDon&#8217;t talk unnecessarily, &#8220;Phish, phish, phish.&#8221; That is very dangerous.<br \/>\nDangerous means in spiritual life. Yavad-artham. Even with your mother, with<br \/>\nyour daughter, with your sister, you cannot sit in a solitary place and<br \/>\ntalk. This is restricted. What to speak of others, even with your mother.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Once we gain this understanding, which is of course entirely opposite to the<br \/>\nmodern materialistic world view, it becomes obvious that in order to make<br \/>\nspiritual advancement in Krishna consciousness, there is not much room for<br \/>\nfriendship between men and women. We keep such association to the bare<br \/>\nminimum required to perform our service, and otherwise maintain a respectful<br \/>\ndistance to each other. This is how we show our affection and respect<br \/>\ntowards each other: we don&#8217;t want to distract each other from our attention<br \/>\nto the Lord. This doesn&#8217;t mean we are impersonal with each other. No, we<br \/>\nsimply have to learn to relate on different levels.<br \/>\nVaishnava culture and etiquette is designed to reduce the fever of lusty<br \/>\ndesires and cool down the men-woman attraction. It is Krishna&#8217;s system to<br \/>\nprotect us from trouble, pain and miseries. We can observe how our high<br \/>\ndivorce rate in ISKCON is related to transgressing vaishnava etiquette. Very<br \/>\noften a husband may separate from his wife by getting together with her best<br \/>\nfriend, and vice versa. As a rule, it starts by disregarding the rules of<br \/>\netiquette and playing with fire, which then leads to unwanted attachments<br \/>\nand illicit relationships.<br \/>\nIn some parts of the world it has become common practice in Krishna<br \/>\nconsciousness for men to hug ladies and vice versa. Sometimes we may find<br \/>\nthis going on even under the name of preaching. Such practice is not<br \/>\nconducive for spiritual progress. Rather, it is subtle sex life. It shows<br \/>\nthat we have unfulfilled needs, which are meant to be satisfied within<br \/>\nfamily life. Even in the secular world it is established, that a man and<br \/>\nwoman hugging each other for longer than a minute brings about a similar<br \/>\nchemical reaction and sensation experienced after sex life.<br \/>\nBetter to be honest and situate oneself in the grhastha ashrama. Thus we can<br \/>\nfulfill our needs according to the recommendations of shastra, accept<br \/>\nresponsibility and perform the purifying duties prescribed for this ashrama.<br \/>\nThis is the recommended way for spiritual progress. To try and bypass such<br \/>\nseemingly cumbersome austerities by fulfilling one&#8217;s emotional and physical<br \/>\nneeds in a scripturally unauthorized way will not lead to success on the<br \/>\npath of devotional service. We will merely cheat ourselves and create<br \/>\ndisturbance for others.<br \/>\nEven within devotional service it is recommended to always try to arrange<br \/>\nthings in such a way to minimize the association between both genders. It is<br \/>\nan important principle within spiritual practice. In situations where it<br \/>\ncannot be avoided, it is advisable to be alert in fear, always remembering<br \/>\nthat we are taking a conscious risk for the sake of serving or preaching.<br \/>\nWhen alert in fear, we can be introspective in order to guard against the<br \/>\nspirit of sense gratification. We reflect, not allowing ourselves to enjoy<br \/>\nthe attention and company of the other gender. Detecting such tendencies for<br \/>\nsubtle sense gratification in our hearts, we may regret and be extra careful<br \/>\nand self-observant. In this way a sincere devotee can be protected.<br \/>\nWhen the need arises for a man to meet with a lady in discussion over<br \/>\nservice, the spouse of one of them should be present. If this is not<br \/>\npossible, any other third person should be there. If such an arrangement can<br \/>\nalso not be made, then to the very least the meeting should take place in<br \/>\npublic or with the door open. Even a little detail such as keeping the door<br \/>\nopen makes a subtle yet powerful difference. These are the rules of<br \/>\nvaishnava etiquette, and it is highly recommended to strictly follow<br \/>\nthem-even if it is only as an example to others.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Devaki Devi Dasi: To transgress the recommendations of vaishnava etiquette always leads to disturbances, misunderstandings, conflicts and even fall-down. 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