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Serpents be Damned! Addressing ISKCON Concerns About My New Kirtan Book

Hari Bol,
pamho. agtsp.
I spoke with a very senior devotee about kirtaniyas outside of iskcon. He observed following points:
1. These kirtaniyas charge hundreds or thousands of dollars to attend their programs/retreats/seminars etc. and many of them are not sincere spiritual seekers themselves. They are doing this to simply make money. Affluent people who are spending these money are doing that as a fashion or a status symbol. He gave me anology of cheaters and cheated.
On the other hand, iskcon distributes Harinam for free.
2. Some of them are cow-eaters, gamblers, womanizers etc.
3. Indian kirtaniyas like Jagjit Singh, Anoop Jalota may not have pure Bhakti.
Then he adviced me following:
1. There are many good Kirtaniyas in iskcon like Lokanath Maharaj, BB Govind Maharaj, Niranjan Maharaj, Indradyumna Maharaj, Radhanath Maharaj to name a few. One should listen their Bhajans and Kirtans.
2. Do not listen to so called devotional singers from India who are singing for money.
I practice following:
1. Listen to above-mentioned Maharaj’s Bhajans when I am doing some work like cooking, cleaning, ironing my clothes etc.
2. I email iskcon bhajan songs’ links to my friends and just spread the word.
Here are my observations about this topic:
1. we do not allow non-initiated devotees to cook Prasadam for Krsna. We do not allow anybody other than Brahmana to enter sanctum sanctorum in our temples. We generally do not allow Hindu demigods deities in our temples. The same standard can be and should applied to Bhajan and Kirtan in my humble opinion.
2. A rock music practitioner was leading a Kirtan in Prabhupad’s presence and he was doing it in a very Tamasik way, Prabhupad asked him to stop and ask other devotee to replace him.
3. Prabhupad was given many suggestions to increase preaching by lowering standards, but he stood firm. His opinion was “Purity is Force”.
4. We can market our excellent Kirtaniyas to people outside of iskcon. There are various ways, youtube, itune, selling cds etc. Our Kirtaniyas are following 4 regs and chanting 16 rounds and they can beat hands down these money-hungry fake kirtaniyas. This will increase our revenue which can be used to increase our preaching.
Please forgive me if I offended anyone.
Hare Krsna
your servant
aspiring Vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 22, 2008 @ 2:54 am

Will you join me to campaign for a safe Vrindavan?

Hare Krsna
pamho. agtsp.
I entirely agree with the objectives of the original poster. I have some different ideas about achieving those.
I am in Indian body and lived there more than half of my life so far.
I gather that some ISKCON Maharaj have friends amongst Indian politicians.
In India bribe(what we call in the US campaign contributions) works very effectively when dealing with politicians.
We can find Krsna-friendly powerful Indian politicians amongst all major political parties and get special laws passed for Vrindavan. Also local chief minister can be influenced with money and other methods.
I personally very much dislike bribing, but that is the only way things can get done in India.
One of Vaishnava Acharyas of yesteryears reportedly instructed disciples to treat a Mughal officer(some Kazi) providing him tobacco and other things he wanted, so that the Math will be in good books of the local government.
We can raise funds for lobbying Indian politicians about this issue.
Also, we need to make aware all our resident Indian devotees about happenings in Vrindavan and they will mobilize some actions.
Indian politicians can also be pressured by local population apart from campaign contributions :-)
Hari Bol
your servant
aspiring Vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jun 6, 2008 @ 1:52 am

Big Houses or Self Suficiency

Hari Bol,
PMAHO. AGTSP.
I entirely agree that running a greenhouse will not be cost-effective in cold climate in West Virginia. But then we are talking about dirty energy like oil, regular electricity etc.
We can explore following sustainable energy options.
1. Solar panels
2. Wind turbines.
3. Gobar gas(Bio-gas) plant.
I understand that New Vrindavan has many cloudy days in a year, so we have to use all the above 3 at the same time. We have 20+ cows/bulls in the Goshala, we can run Gobar gas plant to provide electricity for the greenhouse. We can place greenhouse close to Goshala. With using all 3 at the same time, Krishna willing, we can feed electricity back to the grid and actually earn energy credits for the temple.
Where does money come from these options?
Options 1 and 2 are almost free. Many states in the US refund you the cost of Solar panel and Wind turbine installations in the first year itself.
Gobar gas plant will incur some cost of installation and maintenance.
New Vrindavan has earmarks for some projects, Eye surgery for poor people in Vrindavan, India is an example. I donated for that project.
So, the temple management can have earmarks for maintaining a greenhouse.
Where the workers to maintain greenhouse come from?
1. We can involve local devotees
2. We can spread the word out in the Iskcon world and ask for short-term volunteers, train them to work in the greenhouse.
3. we can get devotees from other parts of the world on temporary farm-workers visa.
What are advantages for doing all this?
1. We can attract more western devotees who are eco-friendly. Preaching to westerners was a major mission of Srila Prabhupad.
2. We can use this as a showcase to show Iskcon’s commitment to eco-friendly living.
Hare KruShNa
your servant
aspiring vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On May 17, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

We need a new website!

Hari Bol,
pamho. asgtsp.
If anybody is going to start some websites, i can volunteer my computer programming skills and time(about 10 to 20 hours a week).
Please contact me at kbhakt@gmail.com
Thanks
Hare KruShNa
your servant
aspiring vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Mar 13, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

Taking Science on Faith

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
This author has a negative comment about monotheistic religion like Christianity in this article.
Is Gaudiya Vaishnava not a monotheistic religion?
i refrained from forwarding this link to my atheist acquaintances for the fear they will jump on that sentence and put Gauidiya Vaishnava in the same club as other monotheistic religion.
Any comments?
Thanks
Hare KruShNA
your servant
aspiring Vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Nov 29, 2007 @ 2:15 am

Radhanatha das update

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Radhanath Prabhu’s life story is very inspring. sometimes we see that some devotees when diagnosed with a life-threatening illness, panick and stop or reduce chanting. if we follow example of Radhanath Prabhu, we could do better.
i request, some devotee who knew Radhanath Prabhu personally, write a short biography of him and publish that online. we can circulate that thru email and demonstrate devotees and others, how devotional service can be performed in spite of physical challenges and disease.
Hare KruShNA
your servant
aspiring vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Oct 27, 2007 @ 1:46 pm

Overwork now, samadhi may never come

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
If we are doing some service in temple, we can still engage ourselves in bhakti.
ShravaNam, Kirtanam. ShravaNam is also important and we can listen to MahaMantra bhajan if we are doing some work like washing pots.
when i wash pots or cut vegetables in a temple or my home, i have cd player playing bhajan and i sing Mahamantra along with bhajan.
if somebody is doing accounting or word processing service for a temple, they can play mp3 bhajans in the background. our subconscious mind will be listening. IMHO, this will help in our moment of death.
we can try to find ways to engage ourselves in KruShNa-bhakti all our waking hours.
Hare KruShNA
your servant
aspiring vaishnav

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Oct 25, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

Ratha-yatra Baghdad

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
i would like to make a small donation to ParthaSarathi Prabhu’s preaching efforts in Iraq. Please post details to send donations. can we setup a paypal account?
Hare KruShNA
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 26, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Some devotees had raised some concerns about iskcon’s image in the minds of Iraqui people earlier, when ParthaSarathi Prabhu had declared his plans about Baghdad Rathyatra. Prabhuji explained that this Rathyatra would be only for American soldiers and yatra would happen on an American army base.
Hare KruShNA
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 23, 2007 @ 1:28 pm

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Cidanandas Prabhu, i will send you US$50/=, once you reach Iraq and start preaching in the warzone.
Hare KruShNA
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 23, 2007 @ 3:19 am

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Any pictures, videos of Baghdad Rathyatra? Please post them.
Hare KruShNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 20, 2007 @ 2:28 am

Happy Hare Krishnas

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
With due respect Suresh Prabhu-ji, i was surprised to read that a senior devotee like you watch hollywood movies. i am neophyte devotee compared to you(3.5 years of KC), but in that period i might have watched 2 hollywood movies and i was attracted to hollywood and bollywood movies before KC. once devotees told me no movies – i have been trying very hard to follow that.
Hare KrushNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 13, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

Ecology in the Dham

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Regarding taking actions:
i recently exchanged email with KurmaRupa Prabhuji from Vrindavan and learnt that we do not have a gobar gas plant for our Goshalas in Vrindavan. He mentioned that the land is not owned by iskcon and also a portable gobar-gas plant might be possible.
Can we have a fund-raising campaign for gobar-gas plants for our Goshalas in Vrindavan? This can be a very good inspirational eco-friendly project for our Goshalas and show iskcon’s commitment for better environment.
Hare KrushNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 7, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Regarding comment#6:
Mumbai had big floods 2 years back. 40+ inches of rainfall happened in 24 hours, half the Mumbai was under water, 1000+ people died drowning. plastic grocery bags were main culprit, they clogged the drains.
Maharashtra state government banned plastic grocery bags and industry-lobbyist made a big noise and after a while plastic bags came back.
government can legislate, but given the state of law-enforcement in India, it may not be highly effective. businesses will find ways not to pay tax on plastic bags.
IMHO, the best alternative is to change the hearts and minds of people. Indian people usually copy white westerners. If they see white visitors not using plastic bags and carrying cloth bags and reusable plastic tote bags, they will copy them.
i think there is some document in iskcon for foreign devotees about visiting Vrindavan and Mayapur, we can add things about not using plastic bags in Dham.
i blog on indian email groups and try to teach them about BhagvadGita and also about living eco-friendly.
Hare KrushNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 6, 2007 @ 7:26 pm

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
How about when we visit Vrindavan we carry some cloth bag and resusable sturdy plastc tote bags in our luggage? In the US, people have started using those when buying groceries. Grocery stores are selling them.
when i grew up in india, we used to carry cloth bags for grocery and vegetable shopping.
our leaders can try to convince indian politicians to declare Vrajadham(Vrindavan, Mathura, Gokul, Govardhan Parvat) as a protected area something on the lines of Vatican and Rome. Then we can have special rules to protect the Dham.
I was shocked to learn that Janmashtami is not a national and bank holiday whereas India observes many other insingnificant days as national holidays.
Hare KrushNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Sep 3, 2007 @ 12:59 am

New Goshalla at ISKCON Baroda

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
This is a very good news. i am very happy that one more iskcon temple will get karma-free milk and milk products. A few suggestions:
1. Do we have a website for this project and can we accept donations thru paypal? Please post the url. If we do not have a website, then we should build one soon and have paypal facility to accept donations.
2. 32 cows will produce enough dung to run a gobargas plant. Do we have one? if we do not, then we can build one. I am told that gobargas and biogas plants are quite common in rural India. Obviously, a gobargas plant will have a double advantage of saving energy bills and good public relations. I am told that there are some cow farms in Vermont, US who run the entire facility on gobar gas plant energy.
Hare Krsna
Your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 25, 2007 @ 7:14 pm

The Disappearance of the Ganges – 2007 Update

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Regarding Comment #5:
i agree that we must show by example. Shri Nandnandana Prabhu, i understand your frustration about styrofoam use in iskcon.
i tried to talk to some temple authoroties about this and got nowhere. i heard replies like “we do not want to burden our congregation for styrofoam replacement.” “we have many unfunded projects and styrofoam replacement is not a high priority.”
“This is Kali-yuga, what can you do?” “our congregation is mostly indian and they are least concerned about environment.”
There are few exceptions though, for example inspired by HH Bir Krishna Maharaj, some devotees are paying for the difference in price between styrofoam and eco-friendly cutlery and Hillsborough NC temple does not use styrofoam.
eco-friendly devotees are concerned that we are losing potential devotees – people who are spiritually inclined and eco-friendly.
we as eco-friendly devotees can follow green practices in our personal lives and bring them up in discussions with both devotees and non-devotees, we interact with. this way we can build a better image of iskcon devotees in lay-people’s mind.
For example, i practise following green practices
1. as per my financial strength, i donate paper plates to local iskcon temple.
2. drive a hybrid car(toyota prius) at speed limit which gives me 56 miles per gallon.
3. do not use air-conditioning even if it is 100 degree F outside. drink cold water, eat fruits, cucumber and yogurt to keep myself cool.
4. in winter time, keep the thermostat at 60 degrre F. weare multiple layers of clothes in the house.
5. recycle paper, plastic, metal, glass without fail.
6. use cloth bag and sturdy plastic tote bag when buying groceries.
7. use eco-friendly products like laundry detergents, dishwasher liquid, paper towels, bathroom tissues.
8. use public transportation whenever it is practical.
9. combine errands in one driving trip.
Hare KrsNa
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 25, 2007 @ 7:52 pm

Krsna-Balarama’s Kitchen Requests Your Help

Hare Krsna,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Regarding comment#10:
With due respect Prabhuji, why we have to rely on ghee manufacturing company and worry about purity? We can make butter in our temples. If that is too hard and time-consumming, then we can buy pure butter from the market and have temple volunteers make ghee out of that butter.
your servant
Hari Bol

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 16, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
For a short-term solution, devotees and visitors can be encouraged to donate pure butter and temple volunteers can make ghee out of those.
IMHO, we need increased cow protection activity to avoid using commercial milk and ghee in our temples. New Vrindavan temple is doing earmarks for cow protection. All our temples need to start earmarks for cow protection. Those funds will go to separate accounts and used for cow protection only. In countries like India where manual labor is relatively cheap, we can have increased cow protection activity. Many Hindus(devotees/non-devotees) in India support cow protection. If we run donation camapaigns vigorously there, we can have suffiecient funds to buy green pastures for cows.
Israel has some technology where they grow crops in sandy lands, i do not have knowledge about this, but those things can be explored.
Devotees can be encouraged to buy cow-credits(for each gallon of commercial milk use at home, donate certain number of dollars to cow protection programs). I personally do that.
To increase cow protection programs in West, where manual labor is very expensive, we can draft able-bodied resident devotees to work in Goshalas few months in a year. Weeekend visitors/devotees can do service on weekends. If US congress approves guest workers program, we can bring in devotees from other countries to work on our farm communities/Goshalas in the US.
IMHO, fulltime devotees in the US should be provided basic health insurance. i worked in health insurance IT jobs for many years and i think an insurance company can provide group health coverage for all fulltime iskcon devotees. We can not attract westerners to be fulltime devotees in our temple, if we can not provide them basic health insurance. People might come and be there for few years and then move out. There is a downside to that some people might join an iskcon temple to get health coverage, but rules can be made to weed such people out – people have to do six months of serious service before getting health coverage and after that they have to maintain a certain level of service. This way i think, we can attract more westerners to be fulltime devotees.
These are few ideas came to my mind, there might be numerous effective ways devotees can think of to intensify cow-protection programs.
Hari Bol
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 13, 2007 @ 12:44 am

Choosing to Fall Down

Hare Krsna
PAMHO. AGSTP.
Regarding comment #5:
With due respect Payonidhi prabhu, i like to present following and then ask you a question:
There were 3 men devotees. All were sincere devotees, following 4 regs, chanting rounds, doing devotional services. Let us call them A, B, and C. All three were married and equally attached to sex life. All got divorced from their respective wives at age 45.
Case 1. Devotee A recognized his limitations and got married again after divorce in a short period of time. He continued to follow 4 regs, chanting rounds and devotional service. He was happily married in his second marriage and content in his sex life.
Case 2. Devotee B refused to marry again. He continued his devotional service, followed 4 regs, chanted rounds, did devotional service. Only problem was he could not wipe out hankering for sex life. When he came in contact with young females, he looked at them with sex desire. He would not act on the desire, but his mind kept thinking about it.
Case 3: Devotee C refused to marry again. He continued his devotional service, followed 3 regs, chanted rounds, did devotional service. Only problem was he could not wipe out hankering for sex life.
He acted on that desire. He would date one girl and after breakup find another one. He would indulge in pornography.
My question is which devotee amongst these 3 will have maximum spiritual advancement at the end of their lives?
Hari Bol
Your servant
ps
Please note devotee woman case is not considered as according to Srila Prabhupad, a woman should be married or protected by her sons or father. For a mother at age 45, a son might not be old enough to take care of her and her father might be too old.

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 17, 2007 @ 3:51 am

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Very nice article, practical advice. I am going to save this article in my personal archives. I wish iskcon temple distribute this article to their congregations.
Hari Bol
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Aug 13, 2007 @ 12:07 am

Garden of seven gates at New Vrindaban

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Very nice article.
Regarding styrofoam, some temples are using alternative cutlery from a devotee owned/operated company in North Carolina, US. http://fullcircleplanet.com/
Please see the article in dandavats:
http://www.dandavats.com/?p=2716
I am told Hillsborough NC, Dallas TX and Boston iskcon temples have replaced styrofoam with echo friendly products from the above company. The way it works is devotees pay the difference in price between styrofoam and echo friendly cutlery.
I spoke with the lady devotee at that company and she said bigger temples can order for one year supplies and smaller temples in that area can get supplies from them. That way shipping costs are reduced.
I approcahed some temples in my area, but they did not want to burden their congregation for styrofoam replacement. In one place, i was told that our congregation is mostly indian and they do not care for environment. i am in indian body and do not think the same way. there are many indians in the US who do care for environment.
IMHO, Styrofoam replacement can be a very good PR excercise for iskcon if we want to attract echo-friendly people.
Another thing, temple authorities can make mandatory for resident devotees to use stainless steel plates, cups and spoons. Resident devotees have no excuse to use other cutlery.
Hari Bol
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

Los Angeles Harinam

Hare Krsna,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Is this approved by any Maharaj or GBC? I know intentions are good and sincere, but it appears to me like a circus. Onlookers might have gathered to look at bodies of those HathaYogis and Yoginis. A dog and pony show also can attract crowds. Should we resort to that? Maybe I am too conservative.
Had Srila Prabhupad approved such thing in the past? Should we associate name of iskcon with HathaYogis? Lay people might think iskcon is about HathaYoga.
your servant
Hari Bol

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 24, 2007 @ 3:03 am

Concerns Raised over the production of Ghee

Hare Krsna Prabhuji
PAMHO. AGTSP.
I searched on the internet to find refence to above story and could not find any. If you know any websites with the story, please post urls.
Hari Bol
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 24, 2007 @ 3:18 am

Ways Householders can Distribute Books

Hari Bol,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
I recently went to an Indian restaurant in Yale University area. They had some free booklets from Connecticut Natural pages which had some articles about environment, naturopathy etc. and then they had small ads by allied businesses.
This restaurant is frequented by non-indians and Yale students. Immediately i thought about Sastradana books and thought maybe this restaurant will keep iskcon free books.
When these free books will be available for distribution? what is the procedure of devotess getting them?
Hare Krsna
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 28, 2007 @ 9:02 pm

Hari Bol
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Dear Mahattatva Prabhu,
Is this presentation available online? Can you post the url? As per my information, not all iskcon temples have started a Sastradan program. People can forward your presentation link to their temple authorities.
Hare Krsna
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 25, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

Hare Krsna,
PAMHO. AGSTP.
Regarding comment #3:
Sastra Dana is a very good idea. I went to indian shopping area in Queens, New York yesterday and saw a stall run by Jehovah’s witness. They had small free books in many languages including Hindi. The books were titled like “Unity of human beings”. Unless you open the book, you would not know the book had preaching of Jehovas.
Our congregations can be encouraged to donate for Sastra Dana. Again temples might feel threatened that this is eating into their donations.
IMHO, to avoid this problem, temples can donate certain percentage of collections to programs like Sastra Dana, cow protection etc. Alternatively, they can set earmarks for donations. New Vrindavan temple is doing earmarks.
your servant
Hari Bol

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

Biological Mythology & Social Disaster

Hare Krsna
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Dear Pandudas Prabhu,
Regarding your sentence:
“I have to say that I have never found the arguments given by devotees to counter evolutionary theory as at all convincing. ”

With due respects, have you read the book “Forbidden Archaelogy” by a devotee scientist/archaeologist? He details in there with standard references how scientists and archaeologists selectively choose data to be compatible with evolution theory. Is that book not convincing enough for you?
If any devotee argument is not convincing for you, you are most qualified to put forward your own arguments against evolution theory – in case you do not believe in evolution. You have natural science background and you have Krsna consciousness.
I strongly recommend you to work on this task. IMHO, it is a Vaishanv etiquette not to criticize devotees and show others by own example how to do things in a better way.
Hari Bol

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 20, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

Hare Krsna
PAMHO. AGTSP.
In my humble opinion, we should study writings, lectures of Sripad Maharaj(Svarup Damodar Swami) when he communicated with scientific community. He had a Ph.D in some branch of Chemistry and Srila Prabhupad assigned him the task of preaching to scientific world. I google search on Mahraj’s name and found only one website which has some material. Anyone knows if Maharaj’s work is available online. Please post urls.
I agree with another poster who says something like “We do not need rigid scientific references if our target audience is students and common people. Scientists are not going to jeoprdize their livelihood by rejecting evolution theory.”
Interestingly, as per one survey mentioned on cbs radio, 75% of US medical doctors believes in God and encourage patients with catastrophic illnesses to pray to God.
Hari Bol
your servant

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 18, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

Hare Krsna
PAMHO. AGTSP.
I agree with most of the points in comments #1 and #2.
Regarding item#6 in comment#2
6. The quote from Paul R. Erlich is from 1963. Most evolutionists will laugh when we use so quotes that old. With all the scientific development that has been going on since 1963, will the evolutionists say, how can the quote from Paul R.Erlich be taken seriously? That position seems, at least in this case, fair to me. So I think we should look for more up to date material to substantiate our views.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My comments:
Two prominent founders of modern science, Newton and Einstein were strong believers in God. To apply the same argument,one can say that since Newton and Einstein were from previous centuries, their opinion does not count as so much of scientific development happened since then.
Another thing Prabhuji, Do you really belive in so much of scientific development especially in the context of evolution and archaeology? Have you read the book “Forbidden Archaelogy” by a devotee scientist? He details in there with standard references how scientists and archeaologists selectively choose data to be compatible with evolution theory.
When you point out IYF doing “selective reading”, be cognizant of the fact that archeaologists and evolutionists are fudging the data to suit evolution theory.
Hari Bol

» Posted By asprng_vaishnav On Jul 17, 2007 @ 2:55 pm

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