By Kesava Krsna dasa
I am sure many of us have encountered someone who may have doubted the efficacy of their duty, or were unsure of the completion of a task, to which we, with an air of authority say âImpossible is a word found in a foolâs dictionary.â This saying amongst others form parts of devotee speak as we mimic Srila Prabhupadaâs words.
It was discovered some years ago that the most common word used by devotees is; so. So is so prevalent and almost infectious that we all know of a so and so prabhu who intersperses his spoken word with soâs.
So what of the origin of the âimpossibleâ saying? Firstly, we have to be aware that not only was Srila Prabhupada a scholar, his general knowledge was exceptional too. Once when a group of disciples expressed amazement at his grasp of knowledge, he jokingly replied that he had a âPhD in trivia.â He was well read and conversant with much of world history. Srila Prabhupada often mentioned the names of various world historical leaders who began empires and then lost them, or of the futility of their efforts.
One such figure is Napoleon Bonaparte who built an impressive empire. When it came time for his army to head north and eastward into what is now Russia during the middle of the winter, the bitterly cold snowy weather decimated the soldiers. When some of the field commanders protested Napoleonâs ruthless push, he is known to have responded by saying âImpossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.â So, did Srila Prabhupada pick his saying from him?
If someone is now surprised to hear of this, thinking it to be an original maxim, does this take the sheen off, so to speak? Certainly not! Given the many limitations which are imposed upon us mortals, this saying was said by an overly optimistic war leader bent on defeating impossibilities. In the realm of devotion however, Srila Prabhupada himself did what was ordinarily impossible, and his use of the saying has its proper place.
Another axiom of Srila Prabhupada was that âin the beginning, people will laugh at usâ devotees. âThen they will hate us, and then love us.â If we compare this with Gandhiâs âFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.â Srila Prabhupada as Abhay Charan was once a follower of Gandhi and would have familiarized himself with his words and deeds.
Another wise aphorism attributable to Gandhi is when after seeing his fellow countrymen try to imitate western ways; he is on record as saying âit is more difficult to wake up a person pretending to sleep, than it is to wake up a person genuinely asleep.â These words by the way, as with other sayings, may differ slightly when repeated at other times. The same applies to Srila Prabhupada words, and he did use the above saying.
I am sure there are other maxims used which are more commonly known, such as âCaesarâs wife must be above suspicion.â And so on.
What is astonishing is Srila Prabhupadaâs loyalty not just to spiritual authority, but everything he said or did seemed to have some basis in greatness somewhere, which may not make him very original. But that quality itself is so rare as to make him uniquely original.
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa
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> Once when a group of disciples expressed amazement at his grasp of
> knowledge, he jokingly replied that he had a “PhD in trivia.”
Do you have a reference please? Thanks.
Ys, Mithila das.
Gold from a dirty place? Any words when spoken by the especially empowered pure devotee of Lord Sri Krishna such as H.D.G. AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, carry much more weight than when spoken by mundane persons. Countless millions of universes have been created and annihilated and countless billions of words spoken but only those words relating to (and glorifying) the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna and his servants are of value. There is nothing new under the sun, even though the sun may be new.
Arjuna said: The sun-god VivasvÀn is senior by birth to You. How am I to understand that in the beginning You instructed this science to him?
The Personality of Godhead Sri Krishna said: Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy!
Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I, Krishna, am the Lord of all living entities, I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form.
Srimad Bhagavad-Gita 4.4 – 6
“Plain living and high thinking” is from a famous English poet, Wordsworth I think.
But who knows whether Wordsworth invented it or picked it up from somewhere else? Many great poets and novelests went around stealing ideas and turns of phrases the way Milton Berle stole jokes. There truly is “nothing new under the sun.”
By Srila Prabhupada’s grace, we know that Krishna is the original inventor, the source of memory, knowledge and forgetfulness, and He is the ability in man.
If Napoleon really coined the phrase “impossible is a word in the fool’s dictionary” as described above, it was an inauspicious beginning for that saying. Napoleon led France’s Grand Armee into Moscow alright, but when he had to retreat back through the freezing Russian winter it was one one of the biggest military disasters of modern history. Something like 4/5 of the French army was wiped out.
Isn’t there some sort of Newtonian law of literature, that for every aphorism there is an equal and opposite one? Someone should have told Napoleon that “fools rush in where angels dare to tread”.
Srila Prabhupada coined many new and wonderful sayings. He also took existing sayings and aptly applied them. By connecting these sayings to Krishna consciousness he glorified the original speakers, using their wit in Krishna’s service.
This is the Wordsworth sonnet from 1802 which contains the phrase “plain living and high thinking”:
O FRIEND! I know not which way I must look
For comfort, being, as I am, opprest
To think that now our life is only drest
For showâmean handiwork of craftsman, cook,
Or groom!âWe must run glittering like a brook 5
In the open sunshine, or we are unblest;
The wealthiest man among us is the best.
No grandeur now in nature or in book
Delights us. Rapine, avarice, expense,
This is idolatry; and these we adoreâ 10
Plain living and high thinking are no more.
The homely beauty of the good old cause
Is gone; our peace, our fearful innocence,
And pure religion breathing household laws.
–William Wordsworth (1770 – 1850)
Mithila prabhu,
Your request for me to find a reference has given me a very good dose of extra sravanam. The last time I heard that quote – from a reputable source – is on one of my many lecture files in my hard drive. Thinking it may be attributed to this or that devotee, I have, when time allows, been listening to many lectures to find it. Please bear with me. It may take a little time. If you wish, you can contact me by e-mail, [courtesy of the editor] establish contact, then I can send it to you. Even so, it will not be a highly detailed bit of information as it was quoted during class.
Akruranatha prabhu,
This is the first time we have crossed paths, auspiciously I hope. Compared to what Bhakta Piyush said about getting ‘gold from a dirty place’ you more sanguinely say ‘he’ Srila Prabhupada, ‘glorified the original speakers, using their wit in Krsna’s service.’ No matter what their occupations, these leaders and thinkers had some greatness, attributable of course to Krsna.
You are obviously well read, and I gather from your numerous comments, you have a witty and entertaining way of making yours thoughts heard. Thogh I have not seen any articles written by you, as little time permits you, your sometimes lengthy comments could pass as articles, albeit without titles. So nice to have met you – via the web.
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.
Interestingly there is yet another saying linked to Gandhi – “Men say I am a saint losing himself in politics. The fact is that I am a politician trying my hardest to become a saint.”
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.
“It is a qualification of the great thinkers to pick up the best even from the worst. It is said that the intelligent man should pick up nectar from a stock of poison, should accept gold even from a filthy place, should accept a good and qualified wife even from an obscure family and should accept a good lesson even from a man or from a teacher who comes from the untouchables. These are some of the ethical instructions for everyone in every place without exception. But a saint is far above the level of an ordinary man. He is always absorbed in glorifying the Supreme Lord because by broadcasting the holy name and fame of the Supreme Lord, the polluted atmosphere of the world will change, and as a result of propagating the transcendental literatures like Srimad-BhĂ€gavatam, people will become sane in their transactions.”
– Taken from Srila Prabhupada’s PURPORT to Srimad-Bhagavatam Verse. 1.5.11
Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.
PURPORT
Crows and swans are not birds of the same feather because of their different mental attitudes. The fruitive workers or passionate men are compared to the crows, whereas the all-perfect saintly persons are compared to the swans. The crows take pleasure in a place where garbage is thrown out, just as the passionate fruitive workers take pleasure in wine and woman and places for gross sense pleasure. The swans do not take pleasure in the places where crows are assembled for conferences and meetings. They are instead seen in the atmosphere of natural scenic beauty where there are transparent reservoirs of water nicely decorated with stems of lotus flowers in variegated colors of natural beauty. That is the difference between the two classes of birds.
Nature has influenced different species of life with different mentalities, and it is not possible to bring them up into the same rank and file.
Similarly, there are different kinds of literature for different types of men of different mentality. Mostly the market literatures which attract men of the crow’s categories are literatures containing refused remnants of sensuous topics. They are generally known as mundane talks in relation with the gross body and subtle mind. They are full of subject matter described in decorative language full of mundane similes and metaphorical arrangements. Yet with all that, they do not glorify the Lord. Such poetry and prose, on any subject matter, is considered decoration of a dead body. Spiritually advanced men who are compared to the swans do not take pleasure in such dead literatures, which are sources of pleasure for men who are spiritually dead. These literatures in the modes of passion and ignorance are distributed under different labels, but they can hardly help the spiritual urge of the human being, and thus the swanlike spiritually advanced men have nothing to do with them. Such spiritually advanced men are called also manasa because they always keep up the standard of transcendental voluntary service to the Lord on the spiritual plane. This completely forbids fruitive activities for gross bodily sense satisfaction or subtle speculation of the material egoistic mind.
Social literary men, scientists, mundane poets, theoretical philosophers and politicians who are completely absorbed in the material advancement of sense pleasure are all dolls of the material energy. They take pleasure in a place where rejected subject matters are thrown. According to Swami Sridhara, this is the pleasure of the prostitute-hunters.
But literatures which describe the glories of the Lord are enjoyed by the paramahamsas who have grasped the essence of human activities.
SB 1.5.10 with full PURPORT
On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world’s misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.
SB 1.5.11
Oh Haribol, and nice to meet you too, Kesava Krishna prabhu. Dandavats!
I have been enjoying reading your posts here since I started visiting Dandavats a few months (or so) ago. I enjoy reading so much lively discussion among devotees. It is a great way to get association when face to face meeting is impossible.
(Isn’t that the way it is with the internet? Things we used to do in person can now be dome remotely. It seems like a great convenience, but it may have subtle ill effects, like much technology: Soon we may all be so busy on the internet that it will greatly reduce the time we visit with each other in temples, homes and public places. Sigh.)
But it does seem great to have this forum where devotees from all over the world can communicate so freely, and also strategize together about fulfilling Srila Prabhupada’s orders. Special thanks again and again to Praghosa Prabhu and all the devotees who make this website possible and keep it running so well.
Even when the devotees are sometimes disagreeing here, I am seeing they all have good points to make, and some texts are so brilliant I am in awe.
(I hope we can all learn more and more how to properly respect and listen to each other. I hope and pray I may learn how to take the essential truth and distinguish it from illusion, but only the great paramahamsa devotees can infallibly drink milk from water, so what hope do I have?)
I am glad to hear the quote from Gandhi. Thanks for that, too. I always thought it originated with Lord Mountbatten or some other enemy, and I am pleased to know that Gandhi self-deprecatingly said it about himself. We often focus on the fact that among saints he was a politician, but we should also recognize, as Srila Prabhupada did, that among politicians he was exceptionally saintly.
I was surprised to read in the Lilamrta how Srila Prabhupada had written Mohandas Gandhi near the end of his life and mercifully offered to study the scriptures with him. Alas, who knows if Gandhi ever even got to read that letter?
Gandhi wrote in his Autobiography that at one time (I think it was on an ocean voyage) he considered acceptying a guru, as is the standard and *compulsory* way to receive Vedic knowledge. However, as far as I know, he prefered to “experiment with truth” and never did accept a guru. He could not have found a better guru than Srila Prabhupada, although he was older and already much more famous than Srila Prabhupada was at the time.
Whenever I read the writings of thoughtful, intelligent men and famous philosophers, especially those who seem to have even a little insight into the nature of the Absolute Truth, I always think, “How I wish this author could have met and become convinced by Sila Prabhupada, and thus become a pure devotee of Krishna!”
Bhakta Piyush,
It is nice you are using Srila Prabhupada,’s words, but if I understand your intention correctly, nothing can compare with the words sopken by a pure devotee like him which are self-evident, and perhaps to make comparisons is the work of crow-like mentalities. This is not quite what is happening here. It is an appreciation of Srila Prabhupada’s swan-like ability to put disparate sayings in their rightful place, in the service of the Lord.That he supplanted his writings and spoken word with sterling remarks and sayings from crows and the like does not discount the original crows who possessed and displayed abilities given by Krsna.
On a mature devotional level a devotee will acknowledge not only the wisdom of taking gold from filthy places, but that Srila Prabhupada also indirectly engaged the same crows in Krsna’s service. just as the Avanti Brahmana did., indirectly. When vaisnavas express fondness and repeat the same maxims in their everyday lives and utilize them in Krsna’s service, do you not think any benefit will accrue to the ‘crows’ indirectly? The answer is yes, lest we undermine the power of vaisnava thought from which, a favorble disposition can help. In other words, a broad vision rooted in brahminical awareness is what Srila Prabhupada wants of his followers, not black and white robotic assertions.
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.
Dear Keshava Krsna prabhu,
Thank you for the information provided, I was not suggesting on a personal level that comparing words was a “crow like” activity. I was further emphasizing the point that the real value of words and literature when they are employed by a pure devotee in the service of Lord’s mission, indeed they are useful words which you already pointed out…
However I do think that the non-devotees who are not qualified need not be glorified (there are so many qualified devotees past and present) and therefore think that to apply the saying “gold from a filthy place” is appropriate. Whether they were the true original speakers and/or that they got benefit by having the Acharyas quote a similar saying is in my humble opinion a speculation. If it can be proven in this context I am open to changing my opinion.
I do know for a fact that Srila Prabhupada did try to get Mahatma Gandhi to retire from politics and preach the message of the Bhagavad- Gita. I did a little bit of research on it…
The following is an extract from a lecture given by Srila Prabhupada on the 16th of April 1974 in Bombay, India (Bhagavad-Gita 4.27)
“You go on serving your family. Nobody will give you relief. If you say that “Now I have done so much for you. Give me relief.” First of all I do not want to be relieved also. That is also another disease. You see? You will be surprised. It is my practical experience. This Krishna consciousness movement, before starting, I wrote one letter to Mahatma Gandhi: “Mahatma Gandhi, you have got position. People accept you as a very pious man. Now you have got your sva-rĂ€jya, and you are very fond of Bhagavad-Gita. Let us preach Bhagavad-Gita.” I wrote this letter. Unfortunately, a few days after, he was killed. So this is the position. All big, big leaders, they do not want to take relief from this sense gratification business. No. This is the…
Therefore jnana-dipite atma-samyama-yogagnau. Because there is no knowledge, they think the sense gratification extended, expanded sense gratification, will make the world happy. No. That is not possible. Therefore jĂŻĂ€na-dĂ©pite means that by this kind of sense gratification we will not solve the problems. KamadinĂ€m kati na katidha pĂ€litĂ€ durnidesas tesĂ€m jata mayi na karunĂ€. “There is no mercy. Therefore I have given up them. Now I have come to You, my dear Lord. I was serving the senses so long. Now I want to serve You.” This is knowledge, jĂŻĂ€na-dĂ©pite. “Because my business is to satisfy the senses, either my senses or my relative’s senses, but it has not made me happy, therefore I have come to You to satisfy Your senses. Kindly engage me in Your business.”
This is called jnana. That is explained in the Bhagavad-Gita. Bahunam janmanam ante jnĂ€navan mĂ€m prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. When jnĂ€navĂ€n… What kind of jnĂ€navĂ€n? After serving the senses of so many people life after life, when one comes to his real knowledge that “This kind of sense gratification will not make me happy. Let me gratify the senses of Krishna,” that is real knowledge. JnĂ€na-dipite. And in another place it is said, bahunĂ€m janmanĂ€m ante jnĂ€navĂ€n mĂ€m prapadyate. JnĂ€navĂ€n. That is real knowledge.
Actually, my business is to satisfy the senses of Krishna, but I am thinking that I shall be happy by satisfying my senses, my family’s senses, my country’s senses, my nation’s senses, and so on, so on, so on. This will make me happy. This is the secret. So therefore Krishna says that “You have manufactured so many business of sense gratification. That’s all right. Give up this all rascal business. Simply surrender unto Me.” Sarva-dharmĂ€n parityajya mĂ€m ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Then you will be satisfied. Otherwise there is no question of satisfaction. You go on increasing the area of sense gratification. That will not make you happy.”
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Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati [Bg. 18.54]. Nirguna is not so easy thing. This is nirguna. Sarva-dharmĂ€n parityajya mĂ€m ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66]. This is iguana. Otherwise, everything as gunan, everything as gunman. Only fully surrendered to Krishna, nirguna. This is… So (Hindi) They are talking, “Yes, you take Bhagavad-Gita without Krishna.” They say it, and they are doing that.
Indian Doctor: Who?
Prabhupada: Anyone. Take Mahatma Gandhi. He was so great student of Bhagavad-Gita. Did he preach Krishna-bhakti? Bhagavad-Gita minus Krishna, this is going on. Yes. Kamsa. Kill Krishna. This is going on. What is the meaning of Bhagavad-Gita without Krishna? And everyone is preaching like this. Very worse condition of the world. Godlessness, and they’ll suffer, there is no doubt. Prakrti is very strong. You can do whatever you like, but karaka guna-sango âsya that will act.
Room Conversation Bombay, 14th August1976
Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati [Bg. 18.54]. Nirguna is not so easy thing. This is nirguna. Sarva-dharmĂ€n parityajya mĂ€m ekam saranam [Bg. 18.66]. This is nirguna. Otherwise, everything as gunan, everything as gunan. Only fully surrendered to Krishna, nirguna. This is⊠So (Hindi) They are talking, âYes, you take Bhagavad-Gita without Krishna.â They say it, and they are doing that.
Indian Doctor: Who?
Prabhupada: Anyone. Take Mahatma Gandhi. He was so great student of Bhagavad-Gita. Did he preach Krishna-bhakti? Bhagavad-Gita minus Krishna, this is going on. Yes. Kamsa. Kill Krishna. This is going on. What is the meaning of Bhagavad-Gita without Krishna? And everyone is preaching like this. Very worse condition of the world. Godlessness, and theyâll suffer, there is no doubt. Prakrti is very strong. You can do whatever you like, but karaka guna-sango âsya that will act.
Room Conversation Bombay, 14th August1976
Bhakta Piyush,
Your use of the word speculation in regards to whether Srila Prabhupada’s utilization of phrases by infamous or materially wise people and the benefits thereof is really an expression of doubt about the power of bhakti. To dispel your doubt some neccessary information is required.
Firstly, devotional service is no ordinary process. Srila Prabhupada writes in NOD page 113: “Devotional service is absolute; it is both the cause and effect of all that be, and to approach Him, the Absolute, the process of devotional service – which is also absolute – has to be adopted.” It is here indicated that Bhakti-yoga is unlimited.
Anything used in devotional service has benefit. If – Utility is the principle – it is further emphasized in NOD page 115: “One should not give up anything which can be utilized in the service of the Lord. That is the secret of devotional service.”
Another open secret is that someone like Srila Prabhupada performs devotional service under the protection of Srimati Radharani – the internal potency. BG 9.13 – daivim prakrtim asritah. NOD page xxii says: “And when they engage in activities under the internal spiritual energy, their activities are called Krsna conscious. This means that those who are great souls or great devotees do not act under the spell of material energy, but act instead under the protection of the spiritual energy.”
This being the case, the pure devotee communicates quite freely with the Supersoul – dadami buddhi yogam tam – BG 10.10. In TLC page 48 it is stated: “Because he is carrying the Supreme Lord within his heart, the devotee can purify every place and everything.” Furthermore, when a compassionate pure devotee wishes good for all, the result is:”When a devotee desires to show his mercy to a person, the Lord acts, and by His grace one becomes a devotee.” TLC page 284.
Utilizing someones words or phrases would come in the category of utilizing ‘everything’ in Krsna’s service. Everything means mind, body, words, technology, machines, not to mention phrases. A speculative mind will use direct sensual perception – pratyaksa, and reasoning powers – anuman to deduce that perhaps Srila Prabhupada just by chance, randomly picked out these sayings from dirty places to merely embellish his writings and so on. Someone who doubts the inner workings of the pure devotee in contact with the Supreme, will have a limited picture of devotion.
The answer to your doubt can be found in, among other places, SB 4.21.27 purport: “The theory of chance can be best explained in the Vedic literature by the word – ajnata-sukrti – which refer to pious activities performed without the actors knowledge. But these are also planned.”
So Srila Prabhupada’s using phrases from crow-like actors – ajnata-sukrti – as dictated by the Supersoul, under the care of Yoga-Maya, in which everything is owned and sanctioned by the Lord, can leave little doubt as to who will benefit unknowingly in the cause of absolute, unlimited devotional service.
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.
It was this statement (below) from your article that confused me, how does this tie in with your quotes in #13 above?
“What is astonishing is Srila Prabhupadaâs loyalty not just to spiritual authority, but everything he said or did seemed to have some basis in greatness somewhere, which may not make him very original. But that quality itself is so rare as to make him uniquely original.”
“Know that all opulent, beautiful and glorius creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.” (B.G. 10.41)
I see Bhakta Piyush and Kesava Krishna in essential agreement. There is no need for them to fall into debating with one another.
Srila Prabhupada, in glorifying Krishna, sometimes made use of the statements and observations of people who were not pure devotees, but the sayings themselves are valuable and useful in Krishna’s service.
We should have no illusions about Napoleon or Wordsworth or Gandhi or Shakespeare or Shaw. They are not pure devotees. They are not our authorities. Nevertheless we can recognize when they said something of value, or turned a phrase in a nice way, or had certain talents and powers.
The English language is full of phrases that “caught on” because they were particularly beautiful or insightful, and there are surely other phrases that never became popular but should be. The original author of all such phrases is Krishna.
Krishna speaks all languages and is very expert at saying exactly the right thing, and also at clever word play. When mundane poets, wits, politicians and philosophers come up with good sayings, they are exhibiting a tiny fragment of Krishna’s opulence.
Kesava Krishna’s point, that when Srila Prabhupada used such words in preaching Krishna consciousness the mundane authors become glorified, is a nice observation.
Bhakta Piyush wisely reminds us that the mundane authors themselves are not worthy objects of veneration and worship.
We do not even worship the demigods, who are so much more powerful and full of glorious qualities. But we can recognize that all powerful, opulent and beautiful things are representatives of Krishna.
The essense of the second offense to the holy name is to get this backwards. It is the Mayavadi’s ploy. They say, “Since everything is Krishna, don’t worship Krishna. Krishna is no different from anything else. You can worship Siva or Durga, but the only reality is impersonal brahman, and these are all imaginary forms. All the names are equal.”
What they do not realize is that Krishna Himself is the source of brahman, and everything is resting on Him, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is the source of both the material and spiritual energies.
That is how Krishna is everything. It is not because He is also brahman like everything else. It is because He is the Supreme brahman from which all other manifestations, including the impersonal brahmajyoti, emanate. Therefore He is the only one we should worship.
Still, we do not have to be blind to the talents and skills of others. We should appreciate when they are exhibiting some of the opulences Krishna gave them.
Bhakta Piyush,
I’m sorry if some confusion arose from this paragraph. Let me explain.
Many a time on morning walks or during conversations and classes, Srila Prabhupada would quote a sanskrit verse, a proverb, or something which appeared at the time, to be an unusual statement and so on. Eventually his disciples found that these always had their basis in sastra. Similarly, his version of phrases, some of which I highlighted in the above article also had their basis in greatness, albeit crow-like greatness and the like. Somehow an unswerving loyalty to greatness, be it sastric, or otherwise bore the hallmark of originality. Such a unique characteristic is very rare, which is why I wanted to share this with devotees like yourself.
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.
Akruranatha prabhu,
Well said! I too was hoping this discussion would not descend into a tit for tat debacle. It seemed my effort was sullied by a misunderstanding or confusion. Then again, one has to expect such things on a public forum such as Dandavats.
Perhaps you have brokered a peace deal!!!!
Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.